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Adventist view on the Nature of Christ
Kevin H and one other reacted to hobie for a topic
Christ had to do as we must do or there was no point in His coming. Here is more on this .. Christ's perfect humanity is the same that man may have through connection with Christ. As God, Christ could not be tempted any more than He was not tempted from His allegiance in heaven. But as Christ humbled Himself to the nature of man, He could be tempted. He had not taken on Him even the nature of the angels, but humanity, perfectly identical with our own nature, except without the taint of sin. A human body, a human mind, with all the peculiar properties, He was bone, brain, and muscle. A man of our flesh, He was compassed with the weakness of humanity. The circumstances of His life were of that character that He was exposed to all the inconveniences that belong to men, not in wealth, not in ease, but in poverty and want and humiliation. He breathed the very air man must breathe. He trod our earth as man. He had reason, conscience, memory, will, and affections of the human soul which was united with His divine nature. Our Lord was tempted as man is tempted. He was capable of yielding to temptations, as are human beings. His finite nature was pure and spotless, but the divine nature that led Him to say to Philip, "He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father" also, was not humanized; neither was humanity deified by the blending or union of the two natures; each retained its essential character and properties. But here we must not become in our ideas common and earthly, and in our perverted ideas we must not think that the liability of Christ to yield to Satan's temptations degraded His humanity and He possessed the same sinful, corrupt propensities as man. The divine nature, combined with the human, made Him capable of yielding to Satan's temptations. Here the test to Christ was far greater than that of Adam and Eve, for Christ took our nature, fallen but not corrupted, and would not be corrupted unless He received the words of Satan in the place of the words of God. To suppose He was not capable of yielding to temptation places Him where He cannot be a perfect example for man, and the force and the power of this part of Christ's humiliation, which is the most eventful, is no instruction or help to human beings. But the facts of this history are not fable, but a living, acting, experience. [To deny this] would rob Jesus of His greatest glory--allegiance to God--which enshrouded Him as a garment in this world on the field of battle with the relentless foe, and He is not reckoned with the transgressor. He descended in His humiliation to be tempted as man would be tempted, and His nature was that of man, capable of yielding to temptation. His very purity and holiness were assailed by a fallen foe, the very one that became corrupted and then was ejected from heaven. How deeply and keenly must Christ have felt this humiliation."2 points -
The authority of Ellen White...
Asia Joe and one other reacted to hobie for a topic
I think we are on solid ground, and we shall soon get all the answers..2 points -
If Worship on Sunday is wrong, then why do SDA rent their churches to Traditional Christian?
Kevin H and one other reacted to Hanseng for a topic
I have no doubt there love of the Torah and the Tehillim! Mr. Goldberg, my teacher, also loved to study the book of Esther. Daniel was new to him. He was enthralled by the story of the fiery furnace. When the Hebrews said "~ Whether God saves us or not, there is no way we are going to bow to your image," Mr. Goldberg was deeply moved by that statement, as we all should be.2 points -
Why was 'Tartarus' used?
Gustave reacted to hobie for a topic
The Greek word Tartarus appears only once in the entire New Testament. 2 Peter 2:4 Young's Literal Translation 4 For if God messengers who sinned did not spare, but with chains of thick gloom, having cast [them] down to Tartarus, did deliver [them] to judgment, having been reserved, Well, this explains a lot.... "There is one word in the New Testament that comes straight from Greek mythology. Not a metaphor. Not a translation choice. The actual name of the abyss where the Titans were imprisoned. It was written by a Jewish fisherman from Galilee. The letter is 2 Peter, composed in Koine Greek for diaspora communities spread across the Roman world in the first century CE. Verse 2:4 is about angels who sinned and what God did with them. Most translations render the passage simply as "cast them into hell." But the Greek word Peter chose was not Hades. Not Gehenna. Not "the pit." The word came directly from "Tartaros," the deepest region of the underworld in Greek mythology, a place so far below Hades that, in Hesiod's Theogony, a bronze anvil dropped from the surface of the earth would fall for nine days before reaching it. The verb Peter used, "tartarosas," appears nowhere else in the entire New Testament. Every other writer who needed a word for the realm of the dead reached for Hades or Gehenna. Only this one verse goes to Tartarus. In Hesiod's account, written roughly seven centuries before this letter, Tartarus is where Zeus imprisoned the Titans after the war for Olympus. Sealed away from the rest of creation. Absolute confinement. Peter placed fallen angels there. He was writing for people who had grown up inside Greek cultural memory. He did not need to explain what Tartarus meant to them. He needed only to use the word, and they would already understand the weight of it. He did not argue against the mythology. He absorbed its cosmological grammar and refilled it. The prison stayed. The inhabitants changed. Scholars call this kind of move a recontextualization: taking the structural logic of a pre-existing concept and fitting it to new theological meaning. It is one of the more quietly stunning word choices in the entire text. A fisherman. A word borrowed from Hesiod. One verse that most readers have never noticed, because every translation made it vanish back into "hell."....1 point -
Why was 'Tartarus' used?
phkrause reacted to Kevin H for a topic
Mrs. White tells us how she wanted to be used, and how she did not want to be used. She even had a long going argument on this topic with Stephen Haskell, and a less friendly argument with those who's ideas evolved into what we call "Historic Adventism." In the long run, most Adventists sided with Haskell's side of the argument. Second came the views of those who's thoughts evolved into "Historic Adventism." Sadly, Mrs. White lost the argument. She argued that she was not a historian, and that her writings were not to answer questions about exegesis. She said that if we learn something about the Bible that does not agree with what she wrote that we need to follow the facts of the Bible. (We have turned this into a challenge "I DARE YOU TO FIND SOMEPLACE WHERE SHE GIVES A DIFFERENT VIEW FROM THE BIBLE, AND IF SHE DOES, THEN SHE IS NOT A TRUE PROPHET." She routinely changed these details as she learned more. Mrs. White's job was to help guide and form the church. She is giving us information for our lives today. She is giving us inspired guidance for people who were in some form of business that does not fit with our principles. When doing a historical/geographical study of the text, this was NOT Jews raising pigs. They were pagans. We need to follow Mrs. White's guidance and see the message that she has for us as Seventh-day Adventists when it comes to questions of shall we make our living in things like pig farming, growing tobacco, wine making, casinos, underworld activities. This is an important message that we need. But it is NOT the historical geographical events.1 point -
Semi-Adventist Publications
phkrause reacted to Gregory Matthews for a topic
Semi-Adventisat Publications In the mid 1900s a number of independent publications arose within Adventism. Some were highly critical of the SDA Church. Most lasted for short periods of time and no longer than 3 to 4 years. Two of those publications remain with us today and I consider to be important to the life of the SDA Church today. Both publish articles on the Internet and in a print journal which differs in content from the Internet version. Both strive for accuracy of content and reliable reporting of SDA levants and interest. Both have well-established authors,,, as well as others. Both have published material that I have written, sometimes in the Print and sometimes on the Internet. I have supported both in other ways. Spectrum Magazine * First Published in the 1990s. * Internet website: ?https://spectrummagazine.org/ * For further search, see: https://centerforadventistresearch.org/spectrum/ * For detailed and specific information see; https://centerforadventistresearch.org/spectrum/ ? Adventist Today * First published in the 1990s. * Internet website” https://atoday.org/ *Journal archives: https://atoday.org/magazine-archives1 point -
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Great Photo Shots!
Rahab reacted to phkrause for a topic
🏰 Parting shot: Castle cruise Photo: Steve Ward Steve Ward of Plymouth, Mich., shares this view of the Gravensteen while vacationing in Ghent, Belgium, earlier this month. The medieval castle dates to 1180, and once served as the residence of the Counts of Flanders. 🍺 Ward also points to a favorite bit of local lore: In 1949, students occupied the empty castle in protest of a new beer tax, staying overnight before the standoff ended peacefully the next morning.1 point -
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Violet Hensley
Kevin H reacted to phkrause for a topic
Country music icon Violet Hensley, known as the “Whittlin’ Fiddler” for her ability to carve and play violins, dies at age 109 (More, w/video)1 point -
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Jesus is Jehovah the YHWH of the Old Testament
Kevin H reacted to hobie for a topic
Jehovah is the Hebrew name for God in the Old Testament. He is given as the Creator of the universe and everything in it. The name Yahweh comes from the Hebrew word for "I am," which was translated as 'Jehovah.' Whenever the name 'LORD' is printed in small caps in the Bible, it means 'YAHWEH'. For ancient Jews, the name 'YAHWEH' was so sacred that they would not speak it nor would they write it in full, but gave it as 'YHWH'. Now the scriptures is very clear that Jesus Christ is not just our Savior, but is also the Creator of the universe, Jehovah 'YAHWEH' of the Old Testament. Notice carefully: All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that has been made. John 1:3 He [Jesus] was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not. John 1:10 God, who created all things by Jesus Christ. Ephesians 3:9 For by Him [Jesus] all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. Colossians 1:16 Thus Jesus Christ is our Creator. The One who created, rested. Thus the Sabbath commandment, when correctly understood in the light of both the Old and New Testaments, points to Jesus Christ Now some may say but God the great Jehovah created the earth in the beginning, but here is were the mystery of the GodHead has to be understood in order to understand who Jesus was. Jesus is the Jehovah of ALL the Bible. He is the LORD Jehovah that walked in the cool of the day in Eden. Jesus was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jesus was Jehovah God who gave the Ten Commandments. Jesus was Jehovah God who was in the pillar of fire by night and cloud by day. Jesus was Jehovah God who appeared to Moses in the fiery bush and declared I am that I am. What Jesus claims about Himself - John 8:48-59 48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil? 49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me. 50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth. 51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. 52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. 53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? 54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: 55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. With solemn dignity Jesus answered, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. Silence fell upon the vast assembly. The name of God, given to Moses to express the idea of the eternal presence, had been claimed as His own by Jesus.1 point -
Jesus is Jehovah the YHWH of the Old Testament
Kevin H reacted to hobie for a topic
I have come across much on this and add to my notes and even from Ministry Magazine which is good. Ministry Magazine | Is Jesus Jehovah God? Now here is something interesting that a Jewish brother gave on Jesus is Jehovah the YHWH of the Old Testament, so would need to be confirmed. He quoted scripture then gave the following.. John 17:17 (KJV) 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. No matter how you slice it, you either abide by the truth or... If I may... The interpretation of the Jews "thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain" included not mispronouncing his name. So they forbade pronouncing his name and instead spoke the word "adonai" (lord) whenever they came across the name YHVH in the scriptures. When vowel points were later introduced to the Hebrew scriptures (usually above or below the consonants) and with YHVH they wrote the vowels for adonai to remind the reader to say adonai. This produced the hybrid name Jehovah by later interpreters who did not know this about the Jewish substitution of adonai for YHVH and the vowel point indicators. Y later became J in re-translation from Hebrew to Greek to Latin and Germanic to modern English. YHVH plus the vowels for adonai became YaHoVaH / Jehovah. Some claim the high priests preserved the pronunciation of the name YHVH down through the ages, but most realize the exact pronunciation was lost over time from the paranoia of mispronouncing it.,,,,1 point -
Why was 'Tartarus' used?
Asia Joe reacted to Hanseng for a topic
This word tartarus is used just 4 times in the entire Bible, including the Greek OT. One Hebrew equivalent, evinced by Proverbs 30:16 is Sheol. Get it? The Hebrew word sheol is used in place of tartarus in Proverbs 30:16; therefore, Sheol is a Greek equivalent of tartarus. Sheol is used more than 60 times in the OT. Sheol is usually translated as hades in the NT. Jesus has the keys to hades (Rev. 1:18). The Online Bible numerical equivalents of these words are these tartarus 5020: Sheol 07585 hades 86 Thayer's lexicon has this to say about hades: 1) name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions 2) Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead 3) later use of this word: the grave, death, hell In Biblical Greek it is associated with Orcus, the infernal regions, a dark and dismal place in the very depths of the earth, the common receptacle of disembodied spirits. Usually Hades is just the abode of the wicked, Lu 16:23; Re 20:13,14; a very uncomfortable place. TDNT.1 point -
The authority of Ellen White...
phkrause reacted to hobie for a topic
Need to see what it teaches and the real issue here. Here is a good summary..: Here’s the conundrum: to suggest Jesus, as the God-Man, is unable to sin seems to denigrate His true humanity. This position seems to make the incarnation a farce – a foregone conclusion. It implies Jesus never felt the true force of the temptations. This position is known as impeccability. but, to suggest Jesus could sin seems to denigrate His deity. This position is known as peccability. So, what to do? The solution seems to be a qualified form of peccability, as follows:12 Jesus was genuinely tempted to sin, not like us, but like the original Adam and Eve (morally neutral), so, it was theoretically possible for Him to sin, but He chose not to sin1 point -
The authority of Ellen White...
phkrause reacted to Asia Joe for a topic
I have seen many leave the church, claiming Ellen White was not a prophet. I always said, what difference does it make? Do you want to follow the Bible 100%? If so, the Adventist church is the place to go. The truth is, many backsliders do not want to follow the Bible 100%. They only use Ellen White as an excuse. When I first came into the church in Michigan, MANY years ago, I was puzzled by the reports about backsliders. It took me over 5 years to find the Adventist church. I could not understand why people would leave. Within a short time, I was ordained as an elder. Then I started visiting backsliders. It was interesting. None of them left the Adventist church for another church. They just stopped going altogether.1 point -
Ronald Lawson - SDA Kinship
Asia Joe reacted to Hanseng for a topic
I respect what Ron Lawson accomplished as a sociologist. He had a career that some might call illustrious. He is the one most often credited[?] with Kinship's founding; however, a Spectrum or Kinship article, some time back, rightly acknowledged the roll Ben Pickell played in Kinship's founding. Ben was not an SDA when he placed an ad in a gay magazine inviting gay SDA to contact him. Since his connection to Adventism is somewhat sordid, likely a slick PR move for Kinship to upplay Ron Lawson. He had deep SDA ties.1 point -
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Why was 'Tartarus' used?
phkrause reacted to Kevin H for a topic
Normally, in the Bible, Jesus, as well as the disciples, simply cast the demon out. If we find an exception to the norm, it is wise to ask "Why the exception?" instead of turning to the exception and see how we can make this the rule. If I recall correctly, there are two exceptions to the norm. The boy with the seizures and the one or two men where the pigs ran into the sea. Fundamentalists may not be happy with my comments here, but please take for your consideration. With the boy having the seizures; Jesus says that this kind does not come out except for fasting and prayer. While I am not an expert in language, from what I've read and heard in lectures from those who understand the language, the idea of fasting and prayer can be understood as say a doctor or scientist who is prayerfully studying and experimenting and so focused on their research that they often forget to eat and sleep. So could this boy simply have had a physical condition that gave seizures, and while Jesus could do the physical healing, that he was telling his disciples that this is not simply demons, but something that they really need to study to discover the cause and develop a cure? The second exception is the one or two men where the pigs ran into the sea. Ok, I confess that their breaking the chains is something that may indicate traditional demons. However, a couple of things to keep in mind, with another suggestion if you bear with me. This man/These men were pagans. He/They were gentiles. They lived in a Greek City State set up from the conquests of Greece to show people in the rest of the world how wonderful Greek life is to encourage the people living in the area to not only be Greek subjects by conquest, but to change their lives and embrace Greece life and thought in total. (The idea of a city set on a hill, but instead of a Christian faith, these cities were to draw everyone to Greece.) There were 10 of these cities just east of the Jordan in the hills. It would have been to one of these 10 cities that would have been the "far country" for the Prodigal Son went. This man/These men would have known little of the Jews who lived in small Jewish communities across the lake. So first of all, Jesus needed to work with the man/men, and their pagan/gentile/Greek background. This man/These men living in the Greek City State probably were raised from childhood in how special it was to be Greek and how they were to be examples for all the non-Greeks living around them of how wonderful Greek life and thought are. Yet, for some reason, this missionary mindset made them uncomfortable. Also, may I also wonder if he/they may have also suffered from what we call mental illness. Jesus did what he did to work with these people who were ignorant of the Bible and ignorant of Judaism. Even if they had traditional demons Jesus still needed to work with how this man/these men are. And if it is just the suffering in them suppose to be showing how wonderful Greek life is, and they just are uncomfortable with this idea, and/or mental illness; Jesus can heal the mind, but they might from time to time start thinking things that could lead back to problems. Seeing the pigs run into the sea and drown is always a reminder that if they start thinking the wrong way that they remember the pigs and they choose against the bad thought they were about to think. Jesus also needed to learn where these men were coming from, remembering they were getting views about the demonic not from the Bible and/or Judaism, but from a pagan background. Jesus could not make the same assumptions about the cause of this/these men's sufferings as he could in the Jewish communities. Jesus needed to do what was appropriate for their pagan/Greek background. And this personal care was important as this/these people born and raised to be missionaries of Greek life and thought, ended up becoming the first Christian missionaries to the gentiles.1 point -
Parents Beware: Arizona High Court Gives Churches Blanket Immunity in Abuse Case
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
When dealing with the untouchable monolith of religious institutions, parents and congregants must exercise ruthless caveat emptor—because the courts have firmly decided that the cross shields the church from the secular sword. The post Parents Beware: Arizona High Court Gives Churches Blanket Immunity in Abuse Case appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
John Quincy Adams, Abraham Lincoln and an Argument Neither Man Lived to See Settled
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
By Michael Peabody Every American schoolchild used to learn how John Quincy Adams died, back when schools still taught that kind of thing. Most of what they were… The post John Quincy Adams, Abraham Lincoln and an Argument Neither Man Lived to See Settled appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
Federal Judge Dismisses Interfaith Challenge to Trump’s Religious Liberty Commission
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
A federal judge in Manhattan dismissed the lawsuit challenging President Donald Trump’s Religious Liberty Commission on July 27, 2026. Four advocacy organizations and the Rev. Paul Raushenbush claimed… The post Federal Judge Dismisses Interfaith Challenge to Trump’s Religious Liberty Commission appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
Fauci's Fifth, the Biden Pardon and the Limits of Silence
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Anthony Fauci was sworn in before the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee on July 29 and delivered a short opening statement accusing the chairman of an… The post Fauci's Fifth, the Biden Pardon and the Limits of Silence appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
Great Photo Shots!
Rahab reacted to phkrause for a topic
🏞️ Parting shot! Photo: Matt Lasure Speaking of otherworldly ... Reader Matt Lasure of Saint Paul, Minn., shares a "Best National Park" submission: "One of my favorite pictures, showing the alien landscape of Badlands National Park [in South Dakota]. Taken on a family trip in July 2022."1 point -
Church Fires and Vandalism Rise Across Europe and North America, Data Show
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
This article includes detailed tips for churches on how to prevent fires and increase security. The post Church Fires and Vandalism Rise Across Europe and North America, Data Show appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
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The Counterfeit Confessional: What the Netflix Firing Teaches Us About the Sanctity of True Privilege
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
(This article addresses allegations raised in reporting surrounding recently-filed litigation. The post The Counterfeit Confessional: What the Netflix Firing Teaches Us About the Sanctity of True Privilege appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
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John Quincy Adams, Abraham Lincoln and an Argument Neither Man Lived to See Settled
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
By Michael Peabody The post John Quincy Adams, Abraham Lincoln and an Argument Neither Man Lived to See Settled appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
The Gods of Hormuz
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
When Benjamin Netanyahu stood before Congress on July 24, 2024, he offered his audience an odd little disclaimer before the applause line: this was not, he insisted, a… The post The Gods of Hormuz appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
DSA’s New Platform Seeks to Eliminate Senate and Checks and Balances
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The Democratic Socialists of America published a new program this summer, “Workers Deserve More,” drafted by a committee elected at the group’s 2025 convention. It runs through the… The post DSA’s New Platform Seeks to Eliminate Senate and Checks and Balances appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
The Plane-for-a-Six-Pack Showdown: Supreme Court Takes Up Eighth Amendment Forfeiture Battle
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TLDR The U.S. Supreme Court has agreed to hear Jouppi v. Alaska to resolve a deep split over how courts apply the Excessive Fines Clause to property forfeitures.… The post The Plane-for-a-Six-Pack Showdown: Supreme Court Takes Up Eighth Amendment Forfeiture Battle appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
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The Plane-for-a-Six-Pack Showdown: Supreme Court Takes Up Eighth Amendment Forfeiture Battle
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
When an entire aircraft is seized over a minor misdemeanor, the High Court steps in to decide whether the Constitution still protects citizens from excessive government confiscation. The post The Plane-for-a-Six-Pack Showdown: Supreme Court Takes Up Eighth Amendment Forfeiture Battle appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
Running at 50 MPH.
phkrause reacted to Gregory Matthews for a topic
I can not vouch for the truth of the following story which is being told on the internet. At 3 AM on a winter morning a Minnesota Trooper noticed a car stuck in the snow, with the lights on. He turned his lights on and sloped. The driver was asleep, with a half empty bottle of vodka on the passenger seat. As the driver woke up and noted the flashing lights, he put the car in gear and the spinning wheels recorded 30, 40 and 50 mph. The Trooper stood beside the door, running in place. At 50 mph he ordered the driver to pull to the side of the road and to turn the engine off. The driver did,and was arrested for drunk driving. However, he never figured out that the Trooper was only running in place as the car only spun its wheels.1 point -
Cant Buy or Sell, how will they implement it?
phkrause reacted to Kevin H for a topic
This could be, and even beyond the crypto currency, we are finding the government working on implementing on governments financial constraints limiting what they can buy and sell. Just start this on an individual basis.1 point -
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Endowed by Their Creator: How Faith Built the Declaration of Independence
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
“If your cause is just—you may look with confidence to the Lord and intreat him to plead it as his own. You are all my witnesses, that this… The post Endowed by Their Creator: How Faith Built the Declaration of Independence appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
NIV changes, from 'ta hagia' to 'hagia haggiwn'.
phkrause reacted to Hanseng for a topic
Sorry, that link is blocked. Anyway, if the "issue" has to do with the NIV being a bad version, I'll keep that in mind. My wife and I read it together [gospel of John] most nights. We have both been blessed by the reading. For study purposes, I use the KJV,ESV, NRSV, NASB, and YLT, consult the OL for word meanings and word range. The Online Bible has proved to be a real blessing for study, providing all of the above plus many more with just the click of a mouse.1 point -
The Ongoing Fight Over End-of-Life Laws in the UK Parliament
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The United Kingdom is currently grappling with the profound ethical, medical, and legal implications of proposed assisted dying legislation, most recently spurred by the Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill and its subsequent reintroductions in Parliament. The post The Ongoing Fight Over End-of-Life Laws in the UK Parliament appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
If Worship on Sunday is wrong, then why do SDA rent their churches to Traditional Christian?
Kevin H reacted to phkrause for a topic
I have no doubt there love of the Torah and the Tehillim!1 point -
Cant Buy or Sell, how will they implement it?
Kevin H reacted to phkrause for a topic
Personally how it looks to me is it will be controlled with crypto currency? Who else will be able to afford to get into this but those who control this form of money?? It seems to be very easy to control, but this is only my opinion!!!1 point -
Jimmy Akin looks at and reviews Ellen White
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I am profoundly impressed with the first video which I watched. I will watch the second later. The intellectual honesty of Jimmy Akin is impressive. His use of SDA sources is impressive and results in establishing a foundation that cannot be challenged on a factual basis. His willingness to acknowledge SDA rebuttals to a position that he might hold is appreciated. He clearly seeks to accurately describe SDA positions. Video # 229: This is mostly a historical view of the development of the SDA Church and the life and ministry of EGW: * Jimmy Akin is generally accurate in his description of the historical development of the Millerite Movement, the early life of EGW, the prediction and failure of the predicted Second Advent and the early doctrinal beliefs of those who developed into the SDA Chruch. * I have a very minor disagreement with one historical aspect of his view of the predicted Second Advent. But, his view has been repeated by others. * He cites a recent book by Steve Dailly. That book is controversial in Adventism. In his honesty, he has stated that in the next video, he will cite and discuss SDA Criticisms of that book. * In this video he is limited in his treatment of what EGW actually wrote. In his reference to a passage that has been criticized he presents the SDA view. My reference is to the EGW description of life on another planet and the view of Joseph Bates on that description. * He, like many SDA members, has failed to understand that EGW gave advice that was specific to a time, place. person and situation. In other words, her advice was not intended for the general membership of the SDA denomination. It was for a specific person. * His discussion of the issue as to the inspiration of the EGW Writing vs. the visions that preceded their writing is an important issue. He presents EGW as more rigid on this issue that I consider to be accurate. This is a difference on my part, in the analysis of what she stated on this issue. * He is fair in presenting the Antiochus Epiphanes IV view of the 2300-day prophecy. This is the general understanding of that prophecy that disagrees with what has been the general SDA view. Video # 230: Is an analysis of the work and ministry of EGW: · My comments as to the video above generally apply to this second video. · In general, Jimmy Akin is very respectful of EGW and in rejecting as unsupported many of the criticisms that have been made about EGW and her work. · I wish that he had relied less than he did on the book by Steve Daily. The issues that Daily raised are important and need to be addressed. · He spends a lot of time in discussing how EGW has copied material from other writers and the work of those who edited her writings. Actually he is out of date on this as today SDA scholars are much more aware of this issue. · However, I am surprised that he does not cite the 8-year study of EGWs use of source material in the book The Desire of Ages. The following links take you to two articles published in the December 1990 issue of Ministry, on this issue. Today we know much more than we did in 1990. https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1990/12/the-desire-of-ages-project-the-conclusions https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1990/12/olson-discusses-the-veltman-study · * Generally he has used sources that SDAs consider to be creditable. This video present some exceptions. He has taken a view on her use of the word “amalgamation” that is subject to debate. · * It is clear that Ellen White was not perfect in her understanding of God and Biblical teachings at the age of 17. She grew spiritually as must all of us. God did not step directly in to correct her when her understanding was either incomplete or in error. · * The same is true for her understandings of science, human anatomy, and much more about human life. Yes, EGW believed in Phrenology. She was wrong. So, What? Her human error, and being wrong, does not mean ipso facto that she was not inspired by God. · * I use the word “species” in the manner of scientific taxonomy today. She did not use that word in that sense as she had no understanding of the sense in which I use it. · * While not generally known it is true that until late in her life she enjoyed eating oysters. What he failed to point out is that The SDA Church was not in agreement as to whether or not oysters, and several other foods, were part of the so-called “unclean.” In brief, there is much that I appreciate in this second video. I think very highly of Jimmy Akin and the work that he has done in those two videos. But, I do not consider them to be perfect in every sense. Gregory Matthews1 point -
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Shane, You wonder why so many divorced SDA don't remarry. One possible reason is that they can't bare the stigma of "remarrying." Another, "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?"1 point