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So How Far Should Our Forgiveness Go?
Gustave and one other reacted to Hanseng for a topic
Times have changed. Years ago, a young woman gave birth out of wedlock. A group of people from church visited her. They asked her to publicly confess to the congregation and apologize. She agreed, as long as other people who were having illicit affairs did the same. She gave some names. The "concerned" brethren and sisters packed it up and retreated. Another case, different church, a young woman was having an affair. She went to the pastor in contrition. He required her to publicly apologize to the congregation, which she did. Sometime later, the same pastor was caught in an adulterous relationship. An apology couldn't save his job. Can't recall if she was pregnant or not. My recollection is that she was not.2 points -
So How Far Should Our Forgiveness Go?
phkrause and one other reacted to Gregory Matthews for a topic
Forgiveness does not require that one escape the penally of their actions. But, sometimes it may require such. I will tell you such a true story in which I was involved. There will be parts of it that you do not understand and I am protecting the privacy of the involved people. But, the story remains true regardless of such. A young, single woman, in the process of committing a crime became pregnant;. No, was was not a prostitute. If she had had an abortion, she likely would not have suffered any consequences. However, she gave birth to the child. The result caused her to be charged with the consequent penalty of being fired from her position. Her Supervisor was a devout Christian. She informed management that she would refuse to testify, and without her testimony the woman could not be convicted.. She simply said that she was willing to be fired herself. She did not believe in abortion and she was wiling to place her job on the line in order to protect a woman who had nor taken the easy way out which was an abortion. A Federal hearing was held before r a Federal Attorney acting as a Judge and with a A Prosecutor. I defended the woman who had been charged. I argued that there was a total lack of evidence of the charged crime, and she cold not be convicted. The Judge agreed and ruled her Not Guilty. Folioing that ruling I had a very specific talk with my client and her Supervisor in which I informed my client of t he debt she owed the woman who had placed her job on the line in standing up for my client. I believe that the result of the trial was what God wanted.2 points -
So How Far Should Our Forgiveness Go?
phkrause and one other reacted to Gustave for a topic
There is no "slipping away" from stealing, which is what you described. Forgiving them is a totally separate issue from their paying back what they took. You have a responsibility to protect other people from thieves, people that you don't even know.2 points -
So How Far Should Our Forgiveness Go?
phkrause and one other reacted to Gustave for a topic
"Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us". That being said it doesn't remove the penalty for the trespass. One can be forgiven and still have to pay the price for their sins. I'm certain God forgave Moses for what he did at the rock, but Moses still paid the price for what he did. If a family member stole money from their parents, yes, forgiveness is possible, but that forgiveness doesn't remove the penalty that needs to be paid in all cases.2 points -
Dolly Pardon
Kevin H and one other reacted to Asia Joe for a topic
Her donation funded the critical early stages of development of the Moderna vaccine.[270] In March 2021, Parton was vaccinated against COVID-19 at Vanderbilt University. She labeled social media accounts of the occasion "Dolly gets a dose of her own medicine."[271] Parton strongly encouraged everyone to get vaccinated when eligible and performed a song celebrating her vaccination, set to the tune of her song "Jolene".[272][273][274]2 points -
Ronald Lawson - SDA Kinship
phkrause and one other reacted to Gregory Matthews for a topic
In my personal opinion, i believe that one goal of Kinship was to provide spiritual care to a group of people who were not thought to be getting it in Adventism, without asking them to change their sexuality.2 points -
Adventist view on the Nature of Christ
Kevin H and one other reacted to hobie for a topic
Christ had to do as we must do or there was no point in His coming. Here is more on this .. Christ's perfect humanity is the same that man may have through connection with Christ. As God, Christ could not be tempted any more than He was not tempted from His allegiance in heaven. But as Christ humbled Himself to the nature of man, He could be tempted. He had not taken on Him even the nature of the angels, but humanity, perfectly identical with our own nature, except without the taint of sin. A human body, a human mind, with all the peculiar properties, He was bone, brain, and muscle. A man of our flesh, He was compassed with the weakness of humanity. The circumstances of His life were of that character that He was exposed to all the inconveniences that belong to men, not in wealth, not in ease, but in poverty and want and humiliation. He breathed the very air man must breathe. He trod our earth as man. He had reason, conscience, memory, will, and affections of the human soul which was united with His divine nature. Our Lord was tempted as man is tempted. He was capable of yielding to temptations, as are human beings. His finite nature was pure and spotless, but the divine nature that led Him to say to Philip, "He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father" also, was not humanized; neither was humanity deified by the blending or union of the two natures; each retained its essential character and properties. But here we must not become in our ideas common and earthly, and in our perverted ideas we must not think that the liability of Christ to yield to Satan's temptations degraded His humanity and He possessed the same sinful, corrupt propensities as man. The divine nature, combined with the human, made Him capable of yielding to Satan's temptations. Here the test to Christ was far greater than that of Adam and Eve, for Christ took our nature, fallen but not corrupted, and would not be corrupted unless He received the words of Satan in the place of the words of God. To suppose He was not capable of yielding to temptation places Him where He cannot be a perfect example for man, and the force and the power of this part of Christ's humiliation, which is the most eventful, is no instruction or help to human beings. But the facts of this history are not fable, but a living, acting, experience. [To deny this] would rob Jesus of His greatest glory--allegiance to God--which enshrouded Him as a garment in this world on the field of battle with the relentless foe, and He is not reckoned with the transgressor. He descended in His humiliation to be tempted as man would be tempted, and His nature was that of man, capable of yielding to temptation. His very purity and holiness were assailed by a fallen foe, the very one that became corrupted and then was ejected from heaven. How deeply and keenly must Christ have felt this humiliation."2 points -
The authority of Ellen White...
Asia Joe and one other reacted to hobie for a topic
I think we are on solid ground, and we shall soon get all the answers..2 points -
The little goat story and the Law
Asia Joe reacted to hobie for a topic
I tell this little goat story to show how the Law saves us from harm..... Jesus used parables to explain things plainly so the people could understand, and I was struck as I worked on my fence this morning, by how the fence was like Gods law, and I thought I would share it. I have many animals but none have given me more grief than my goats. When I first got them, they were a few weeks old and I put up a fence to keep them safe from the various panthers, bears, bobcats and other wildlife that share the woods with us. The fence was more of a marker for the goats as they soon learned to go under it and wander out in the woods were dangers lurked. They got out and indulged in all their little goat desires and ate lantana and other things which wasnt good for them, then at night they would come home through the front gate and lay on the warm hood of my car or the top, causing me great grief. Then I lost some of them from bloating from what they ate and to wildlife, so I did everything I could to save them from the real dangers in the woods. I put a second fence around them so they were in sight of the house so I could go get them if they got out. I sank the bottom of the fence deeper and cemented it at the base, but they jumped over it. I made the fence higher, so they stood on top of stumps or logs so they could get over it. I told my wife we would have to get rid of the goats because they would not stay withing the fence, and getting out where the panthers, bobcats and other dangers in the woods took their toll, so she said to let her try. She went and sat with them and gave them alfalfa hay to clear out their tummys of the bad stuff they had picked up. She talked to them and rubbed their bellies when they were sick and gave them charcoal for the bloating. Soon the goats stopped jumping the fence and waited for my wife in their pen, and let her hold them and clean their fur or between their horns as that is the one place they cant reach. Now they listen for her voice and come running when she calls and sit with her and listen to her little goat stories she tells them. Something happened that changed the goats, I couldnt put my finger on it but on one thing I was clear, the fence didnt save them from the dangers. Did it help, yes as far as it delineated the cleared land of the farm and their little goat pen where it was safe. But somehow the goats changed in their little goat desires and behavior and they no longer wanted to jump the fence and leave the farm, but instead to stay within the safety of the fence and share their happiness with someone who loves them......1 point -
So How Far Should Our Forgiveness Go?
phkrause reacted to Gustave for a topic
Definitely what God wanted.1 point -
Covid -- Less we forget.
phkrause reacted to Hanseng for a topic
Vaccines are not foolproof, especially in the roll out stage. People have different responses. Effective HIV meds took ~ 15 years to be developed. Covid vaccine about 1 year. No HIV vaccine exists as yet, decades after HIV became a problem in the States. My wife and I were both Covid vaxed. She got a mild case, rested a couple of days and was fine. Even though we lived together, I didn't get Covid. Not sure how she got it. Some people, even though exposed to Hepatitis B fight it off and remain essentially immune to it. Others get it, have their liver destroyed and require a transplant. As I said before, anti vaxxers, if they keep to themselves, in effective isolation, are not a problem. If they want to be part of society, get vaccinated, for the sake of others. This is not a moral issue. It's really not even a matter of conscience. A person who owned an animal that was known to be dangerous would be put to death if the animal killed someone. How much moreso anti-vaxxers who infect others.1 point -
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Dolly Pardon
Kevin H reacted to phkrause for a topic
I just heard that! Pretty sad, she was a really beautiful person! She will be missed by many!!1 point -
Dolly Pardon
Kevin H reacted to Asia Joe for a topic
She was the 4th of 12 children. Yet she had no children of her own. Parton was diagnosed with endometriosis and had a partial hysterectomy in her 30s, which affected her ability to have children, however she was married at 20, so we may never know what happened there. Seems sad, she was married to the same man for her whole life, a rare thing for an American celebrity, yet had no children. She was raised in the Church of God, but did not seem to have any affiliation as an adult.1 point -
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Jesus is Jehovah the YHWH of the Old Testament
phkrause reacted to Kevin H for a topic
The Trinity is: God the Father = All powerful, almighty, all glorious, final authority, universal. Old Testament term "El" God the Son = Personal, approachable. Old Testament term "YHWH" The Angel of the Lord who turns out to be the Lord, the Captain of the Lord's Host, Michael and other manifestations. God the Holy Spirit = God working with our subjective/existential experience Old Testament term "The Spirit of the Lord" and pictures of the Lord's leading. All three are seen as one God, We use the term "Trinity" The idea is in the Old Testament term "Elohim" a singular plural.1 point -
Going Blind
phkrause reacted to Gregory Matthews for a topic
Both of you, thank you and much appreciated. Your prayers ae welcomed.1 point -
The Table-Turner’s Foreclosure: Why Jesus Wasn’t Just Losing His Temper
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
We’ve all seen the dramatic Sunday school depictions: Jesus, eyes wild, braiding a whip in a sudden fit of rage, sending coins flying and doves scattering across the temple courts. The post The Table-Turner’s Foreclosure: Why Jesus Wasn’t Just Losing His Temper appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
Semi-Adventist Publications
phkrause reacted to Gregory Matthews for a topic
Semi-Adventisat Publications In the mid 1900s a number of independent publications arose within Adventism. Some were highly critical of the SDA Church. Most lasted for short periods of time and no longer than 3 to 4 years. Two of those publications remain with us today and I consider to be important to the life of the SDA Church today. Both publish articles on the Internet and in a print journal which differs in content from the Internet version. Both strive for accuracy of content and reliable reporting of SDA levants and interest. Both have well-established authors,,, as well as others. Both have published material that I have written, sometimes in the Print and sometimes on the Internet. I have supported both in other ways. Spectrum Magazine * First Published in the 1990s. * Internet website: ?https://spectrummagazine.org/ * For further search, see: https://centerforadventistresearch.org/spectrum/ * For detailed and specific information see; https://centerforadventistresearch.org/spectrum/ ? Adventist Today * First published in the 1990s. * Internet website” https://atoday.org/ *Journal archives: https://atoday.org/magazine-archives1 point -
Faith, Mercy, and the Necessary Limits of Religious Exemptions
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
When a neutral public-health or child-protection law imposes an incidental burden on a religious practice, the law must stand unless it crosses into overt discrimination. The post Faith, Mercy, and the Necessary Limits of Religious Exemptions appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
Semi-Adventist Publications
Asia Joe reacted to Hanseng for a topic
Spectrum first issue was in winter 1969 AToday first issue was May-June 1993 Whatever these "magazines" were intended to be, both have embraced the homosexual agenda, as advocated by Kinship or other gay advocates. Kinship has become a militant force in Adventism, promoting, among other things, using the Pathfinders to introduce alphabet sexual expression to young people. Spectrum recommends people learn how to relate to homosexuals by consulting GLAAD. GLAAD is a homosexual advocacy organization "GLAAD – the world’s largest Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Queer (LGBTQ) media advocacy organization – increases media accountability and community engagement that ensures authentic LGBTQ stories are seen, heard, and actualized." About GLAAD | GLAAD I hope the Adventist brethren in Africa will recognize Kinship is actively promoting homosexuality through the SDA church. The gay community has historically distanced itself from pedophilia; nevertheless, Kinship wants to introduce it to young people at Pathfinder gatherings. A report by the John Jay College of Law, released in 2004, concluded that Roman Catholic sexual abuse was greater than 80% man on boy. Sexual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Clergy - PMC Whatever the denominations official position on homosexuality+ might be, as long as SDA institutions and members practice and promote it, the official position is irrelevant.1 point -
SDA Election
phkrause reacted to Gregory Matthews for a topic
August 15 & 17 will be the date for the Pacific Uniioin Conference to electl officers, and conduct some other business. I predict the following elections: A major focus of the session will be the election of officers for the coming quinquennium. The nominating committee has recommended the following slate of nominees for the nine elected leadership positions of the Pacific Union Conference: President: Marc Woodson Elected Executive Secretary: Sandra E. Roberts Elected Treasurer: Stephen Mayer Elected Executive Vice President: Alberto Ingleton Elected Vice President for Asian Pacific Ministries: Manuel (Manny) Vitug Elected Vice President for Black Ministries: Leon B. Brown, Sr. Elected Vice President for Hispanic Ministries: Yohalmo Saravia Elected Vice President for Education: James P. Willis, II Elected Remember, lyou heard ilt first, before it had happened, in Club Adventist. All have been elected--GM. Gregory Matthews1 point -
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SDA Election
phkrause reacted to Gregory Matthews for a topic
As some people may not be fully aware of how leaders are chosen in Adventism, I will further inform. The above group of people was selected by a small group of people. All have agreed tp serve if elected. They will be voted on by the entire delegates;. Yes. The delegates can make changes. I suggest that they have at least a 95 % chance of being elected.1 point -
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The authority of Ellen White...
phkrause reacted to Gregory Matthews for a topic
I am interjecting a comment just in case there is a lack of understanding what has been a common SDA position. SDAs have often thought that the term Michael the archangel referred to Christ as God in heaven as being in charge of the created angels. It was not a statement that Christ was a created angel.1 point -
Boarding house in Ukraine damaged by drone attack
phkrause reacted to Asia Joe for a topic
Four drones hit the two main buildings of the Desna Boarding House in Radychiv, Ukraine. The attack occurred at 5:50 am on July 24, 2026. At the time of the attack, there were 15 personnel on the property. The building caught fire as a result of a drone attack, according to Oleksandr Seliverstiv, head of the Novhorod-Siversk Regional Military Administration, via Facebook. Photos: Denys Borodyuk, Suspilne Chernihiv, State Emergency Service, Oleksandr SeliverstovAccording to Denys Borodyuk, director of Desna, there were no casualties, and utilities are working at this time. The boarding house has not been functioning since the beginning of 2022. Desna Boarding House operated as a health and wellness retreat and is a partner institution of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Ukraine is being destroyed, day by day. ------------------------------------------------------------- Poland has retirement buildings for Adventists, similar to the Methodist in USA.1 point -
The authority of Ellen White...
phkrause reacted to Gregory Matthews for a topic
Yes God can not sin. Yes, humanity can sin. Yes, Jesus was fully God. Yes, Jesus was fully human. Seventh-day Adventists have never agreed on what it meant for Jesus to be fully human. They have always disagreed as to what it meant for Jesus to be both God and human. .1 point -
Illinois Faces Federal Lawsuit Over New “End-of-Life Options” Act Mandates
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
CHICAGO — A coalition of Illinois physicians, a Roman Catholic bishop, and a faith-based nursing home filed a federal lawsuit in Chicago challenging the state’s newly enacted "End-of-Life Options" Act (EOLO). The post Illinois Faces Federal Lawsuit Over New “End-of-Life Options” Act Mandates appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
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Federal Court Revives Michigan Parents’ Challenge to School Gender Policy
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. - A federal court in Michigan has revived a lawsuit brought by parents who claim their religious rights were violated when their local school district facilitated their daughter’s gender transition without their knowledge or consent. The post Federal Court Revives Michigan Parents’ Challenge to School Gender Policy appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
Ronald Lawson - SDA Kinship
phkrause reacted to Gregory Matthews for a topic
Dr. Lawson wqs a very complex person. For more important information related to hlim, please see my post also in thlis section of CA. Thanks for ke ping your comm ents respectful.1 point -
Violet Hensley
Kevin H reacted to phkrause for a topic
Country music icon Violet Hensley, known as the “Whittlin’ Fiddler” for her ability to carve and play violins, dies at age 109 (More, w/video)1 point -
Jesus is Jehovah the YHWH of the Old Testament
Kevin H reacted to hobie for a topic
I have come across much on this and add to my notes and even from Ministry Magazine which is good. Ministry Magazine | Is Jesus Jehovah God? Now here is something interesting that a Jewish brother gave on Jesus is Jehovah the YHWH of the Old Testament, so would need to be confirmed. He quoted scripture then gave the following.. John 17:17 (KJV) 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. No matter how you slice it, you either abide by the truth or... If I may... The interpretation of the Jews "thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain" included not mispronouncing his name. So they forbade pronouncing his name and instead spoke the word "adonai" (lord) whenever they came across the name YHVH in the scriptures. When vowel points were later introduced to the Hebrew scriptures (usually above or below the consonants) and with YHVH they wrote the vowels for adonai to remind the reader to say adonai. This produced the hybrid name Jehovah by later interpreters who did not know this about the Jewish substitution of adonai for YHVH and the vowel point indicators. Y later became J in re-translation from Hebrew to Greek to Latin and Germanic to modern English. YHVH plus the vowels for adonai became YaHoVaH / Jehovah. Some claim the high priests preserved the pronunciation of the name YHVH down through the ages, but most realize the exact pronunciation was lost over time from the paranoia of mispronouncing it.,,,,1 point -
The authority of Ellen White...
phkrause reacted to hobie for a topic
Need to see what it teaches and the real issue here. Here is a good summary..: Here’s the conundrum: to suggest Jesus, as the God-Man, is unable to sin seems to denigrate His true humanity. This position seems to make the incarnation a farce – a foregone conclusion. It implies Jesus never felt the true force of the temptations. This position is known as impeccability. but, to suggest Jesus could sin seems to denigrate His deity. This position is known as peccability. So, what to do? The solution seems to be a qualified form of peccability, as follows:12 Jesus was genuinely tempted to sin, not like us, but like the original Adam and Eve (morally neutral), so, it was theoretically possible for Him to sin, but He chose not to sin1 point -
The authority of Ellen White...
phkrause reacted to Asia Joe for a topic
I have seen many leave the church, claiming Ellen White was not a prophet. I always said, what difference does it make? Do you want to follow the Bible 100%? If so, the Adventist church is the place to go. The truth is, many backsliders do not want to follow the Bible 100%. They only use Ellen White as an excuse. When I first came into the church in Michigan, MANY years ago, I was puzzled by the reports about backsliders. It took me over 5 years to find the Adventist church. I could not understand why people would leave. Within a short time, I was ordained as an elder. Then I started visiting backsliders. It was interesting. None of them left the Adventist church for another church. They just stopped going altogether.1 point -
AI Named the Wrong Suspect and a Tennessee Woman Spent Half a Year in North Dakota Jail
phkrause reacted to Asia Joe for a topic
It is time to hold the judge who signed the arrest warrant accountable. Well said They may be protected from criminal prosecution, but not from the bright light of social media. They should be shamed out of town. Very well-written article.1 point -
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Parents Beware: Arizona High Court Gives Churches Blanket Immunity in Abuse Case
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
When dealing with the untouchable monolith of religious institutions, parents and congregants must exercise ruthless caveat emptor—because the courts have firmly decided that the cross shields the church from the secular sword. The post Parents Beware: Arizona High Court Gives Churches Blanket Immunity in Abuse Case appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
Nicholas Miller and the Protestant Case for the First Amendment
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
By Michael Peabody, Esq. – In November 1769, magistrates in Culpeper County, Virginia, warned a young Scottish immigrant named James Ireland that preaching without an Anglican license would… The post Nicholas Miller and the Protestant Case for the First Amendment appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
Fauci’s Fifth, the Biden Pardon and the Limits of Silence
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
Anthony Fauci was sworn in before the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee on July 29 and delivered a short opening statement accusing the chairman of an obsession with putting him in prison. The post Fauci’s Fifth, the Biden Pardon and the Limits of Silence appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
Catholic Nursing Homes Sue Letitia James Over New York’s Assisted Suicide Mandate
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
Photo courtesy Becket. New York’s Medical Aid in Dying Act takes effect Aug. 5. Before it does, a coalition of Catholic sisters who have cared for the city’s… The post Catholic Nursing Homes Sue Letitia James Over New York’s Assisted Suicide Mandate appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
DSA’s New Platform Seeks to Eliminate Senate and Checks and Balances
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
The Democratic Socialists of America published a new program this summer, “Workers Deserve More,” drafted by a committee elected at the group’s 2025 convention. It runs through the… The post DSA’s New Platform Seeks to Eliminate Senate and Checks and Balances appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
The Plane-for-a-Six-Pack Showdown: Supreme Court Takes Up Eighth Amendment Forfeiture Battle
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
When an entire aircraft is seized over a minor misdemeanor, the High Court steps in to decide whether the Constitution still protects citizens from excessive government confiscation. The post The Plane-for-a-Six-Pack Showdown: Supreme Court Takes Up Eighth Amendment Forfeiture Battle appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
Catholic Nursing Homes Sue Letitia James Over New York’s Assisted Suicide Mandate
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
Their request: let dying patients spend their final days in a home built to care for them without also being asked, by law, whether they would rather die sooner. The post Catholic Nursing Homes Sue Letitia James Over New York’s Assisted Suicide Mandate appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
The Gods of Hormuz
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Why this war is a collision of eschatologies, not a clash of civilizations The post The Gods of Hormuz appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
Endowed by Their Creator: How Faith Built the Declaration of Independence
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
“If your cause is just—you may look with confidence to the Lord and intreat him to plead it as his own. The post Endowed by Their Creator: How Faith Built the Declaration of Independence appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
Endowed by Their Creator: How Faith Built the Declaration of Independence
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
“If your cause is just—you may look with confidence to the Lord and intreat him to plead it as his own. You are all my witnesses, that this… The post Endowed by Their Creator: How Faith Built the Declaration of Independence appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
The Ongoing Fight Over End-of-Life Laws in the UK Parliament
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
The United Kingdom is currently grappling with the profound ethical, medical, and legal implications of proposed assisted dying legislation, most recently spurred by the Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill and its subsequent reintroductions in Parliament. The post The Ongoing Fight Over End-of-Life Laws in the UK Parliament appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point