simone cox Posted December 18, 2007 Posted December 18, 2007 Greetings. I have a message for the Seventh-Day Adventist people, from Ellen White, concerning the second coming of Christ, which will happen THIS CHRISTMAS. I am Simone. I was raised as a Seventh Day Adventist but have since kept up to date with events in the universe. Many things have changed. For one thing, when earth scientists started messing with nuclear technology, other planets in our galaxy made a request that Earth be destroyed immediately. Our Creator decided to change his plans a bit to save this world. The bad guys (Lucifer, Satan and the fallen angels) were removed from this galaxy, and the universe rebellion was officially ended in 1985. The quarantine of Earth (Urantia) was lifted and all communication circuits were reopened. New teachers and lightworkers were sent in to teach humanity about Christ. They were successful - as of July this year, Earth was granted an extension and permission to continue her evolution, but only within the mandates of the universe Creator, Christ Michael (sometimes called Jesus). The second coming event has been planned for the past year or so... it is planned for THIS CHRISTMAS. The SDA people don't know about the new happenings in the universe because they refuse to listen to their angels, who have been trying to tell them. The SDA people don't even acknowledge universe broadcasts, which are published on the internet. Ellen G White is alive and knows about these plans. Lady Ellen asked me to deliver her message because noone in the SDA faith wanted to listen to her. I can't see why she is so worried, because SDA people have pure hearts, and are ready to meet Christ, not so? Anyway, I have recorded three interviews with Lady Ellen. There are website links provided at the end of the document. It is understandable if you find these messages difficult to believe. But if we DO see these events unfold this year, we will have some explanations to look into. With that in mind, please forward this message to your congregations and SDA friends. You may contact me at: simone[at]bluebook.co.za or visit http://christmas-second-coming.blogspot.com/ Thank you and God bless, Simone Cox ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Second interview with Ellen G White 30 November 2007 Prayer: “I direct my request to the Source, the ONE Father of all, the First Source&Center. Please encircle me with a circle of Light and Truth. I request a truthful, clear and private communication channel with lady Ellen. I request that all other influences be removed from this circle of Light and Truth. I pray for peacefulness and neutrality. I am grateful for this blessing. Father, in all things we thank You... in all things we praise You... in all things, Thy will be done.” Simone: Please confirm that I have a clear and private communication channel with Ellen G White? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, yesterday we discussed a few details about your life on earth as the author Ellen G White. What would you like to discuss today? More details about your life? Ellen: No. Simone: My life? Ellen: No. Simone: Your work? Ellen: No. Simone: Would you like to discuss the coming changes? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Fine. Lady Ellen, do you feel, right now, do you feel great excitement about the coming changes? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, we've had some extreme weather changes this year (2007)... do you feel that this is related to the coming changes? Ellen: Yes. Simone: We've heard that the planet Jupiter will be involved in the coming changes. Do you agree with this view? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, you wrote about 'rapture'. Do you still see this as a possibility? Ellen: No. Simone: Would you still use the term 'rapture' now? Ellen: No. Simone: Would you prefer to use the term 'evacuation'? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, you wrote about seeing a 'holy city' in vision, would you now describe it as a starship? Ellen: Yes. Simone: The 'holy city' that you saw in vision, that was actually a starship? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Did you understand it to be such at the time? Ellen: No. Simone: Did you conceive of starships and other planets in that way? Ellen: No. Simone: Lady Ellen, do you feel that evacuation will still take place? Ellen: No. Simone: Do you feel that plans have changed concerning evacuation? Ellen: Yes. Simone: In your opinion, has the efforts to bring more Light to our world raised the earth into a higher frequency, making evacuation unnecessary? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, in your opinion, would evacuation have been easier for humans? Ellen: Yes. Simone: To remain on the planet during the coming changes will be considerably more difficult? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, you wrote about Sunday laws being one of the events leading up to the second coming of Christ, correct? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Do you agree that the Seventh Day Adventist people are expecting to see Sunday laws as a precursor event leading up to the second coming of Christ? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Do you feel that Sunday laws could still eventualise? Ellen: No. Simone: Do you now feel that the second coming of Christ will occur without the appearance of Sunday laws? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, do you feel that the second coming of Christ will occur soon? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Within this year, 2007? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Do you feel that the Seventh Day Adventist people are not prepared for this event? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, do you feel an emotion about this? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Would you like to express that emotion? Ellen: Yes. Simone: I am hearing the word 'distraught'? Confirm that this is how you feel? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, please confirm in all truthfulness and in the name of Jesus, that you feel distraught that the Seventh Day Adventist people are not prepared for the second coming of Christ? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Would you like to do something about this? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, how can I assist you? Would you like me to carry a message to the Seventh Day Adventist people? Ellen: Yes. Simone (laughing loudly): Lady Ellen, do you realize that this is a ridiculous attempt... they will never listen to me? Ellen: Yes. Simone: But you would like to make the attempt anyway? Ellen: Yes. .................................... Simone: Lady Ellen, I have written out our questions and answers, and I feel more calm now. Please confirm that I have understood your opinions on these matters clearly? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, the celestial teachers working in the Teaching Mission have told us that the Lucifer Rebellion has been ended. Can you confirm this fact? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Can you confirm that Satan and Lucifer have been unmade (destroyed) as explained by the celestial teachers? Ellen: Yes. Simone: What proof is there for me that this is the truth? Ellen: None. Simone: We have only trust? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, do you agree that this will not work with the Seventh Day Adventist people... they will require proof? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, please give us something to look for as proof. What will we see as indication that the second coming of Christ is approaching? Will there be physical signs? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Strong winds? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Darkness? Ellen: Yes. Simone: For how long? One day, two days, three days? Ellen: Three to four days. Simone: Will the days of darkness and the strong wind come together? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Will we see other signs? The appearance of 'fire in the sky'? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Will these signs be seen in our dimension only? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Please confirm that we will only see these signs in 3rd dimension, not in 4th? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, may we do a tentative prediction for the timing of the second coming of Christ. Today is November 30th. You gave your opinion that the second coming event will be within this year, in this coming month of December. Please indicate a date. Ellen: Around Christmas day in this month of December, 2007. Simone: So we may expect strong winds and three days of darkness around that time? Ellen: Yes. Simone: And we may expect the appearance of 'fire in the sky'? Ellen: Yes. Simone: And following that, the second coming event? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, please confirm that you now foresee that the second coming of Christ will occur in the last days of December 2007? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, we have been informed that there will be a period of hibernation (stasis) immediately following the second coming event. Do you agree? Ellen: Yes. Simone: So we may expect stasis around the New Year? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, confirm that you wish me to explain this state of affairs to the Seventh Day Adventist people? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Do you wish me to type up this information and mail it out? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Will that be sufficient? Ellen: No. Simone: You wish me to do more? Do you wish me to talk with them? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Publicly? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, do you feel confident that I am capable of completing this task? Ellen: No. Simone: But there's no one else right now? Ellen: Correct. Simone: Lady Ellen, do you hold the Urantia book in high regard? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Do you hold the Teaching Mission in high regard? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Do you hold the Magisterial Mission in high regard? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Confirm that the person called 'Aton' is the one we know as Christ Michael? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, is there any willful deception in the Teaching Mission or Magisterial Mission? Ellen: No. Simone: Thank you Lady Ellen. ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Third interview with Ellen G White 3 December 2007 Notes: Over the weekend, Lady Ellen White asked if I would be willing to carry her message to the president of the local Seventh Day Adventist church conference. I agreed. This third interview with her was conducted on the following Monday morning, December 3rd. Prayer: “I direct my request to the Source, the ONE Father of all, the First Source&Center. Please encircle me with a circle of Light and Truth. I request a truthful, clear and private communication channel with lady Ellen. I request that all other influences be removed from this circle of Light and Truth. I pray for peacefulness and neutrality. I am grateful for this blessing. Father, in all things we thank You... in all things we praise You... in all things, Thy will be done.” Simone: Please confirm that I have a clear and private communication channel with Ellen G White? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, what would you like to talk about today? Your life on earth? Ellen: No. Simone: My life on earth? Ellen: No. Simone: The second coming events? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Our assignment? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, please confirm that I have understood and recorded the information correctly, as I have typed it up on my computer? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, is it appropriate to refer to the second coming event as the second coming of Jesus? Ellen: No. Simone: The second coming of Christ...? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Because Jesus was just one life... as the man Joshua ben Joseph...? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, are you familiar with Sananda? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Sananda is the soul aspect of Jesus...? Ellen: Yes. Simone: He was also associated with Machiventa Melchizedek...? Ellen: Yes. Simone: And Buddha...? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Please confirm that we will avoid speaking about specific dates for the second coming events? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, please confirm that the second coming events are scheduled to go ahead shortly? Ellen: Confirmed. Simone: Around Christmas day? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, our first order of business today in our assignment is to request a meeting with the president of the local Seventh Day Adventist church conference, correct? Ellen: Yes. (snip) Simone: I will say to him: “I have a message for you from Ellen White”. Is that appropriate? Ellen: Yes. Simone: I expect this man will say: “But Ellen is dead”...? Ellen: Agreed. Simone: I will respond: “That is correct, Ellen has passed, but she has communicated a message for you” Ellen: Okay. Simone: I expect he will say: “I don't believe that dead people can communicate with us”...? Ellen: Agreed. Simone: And I may respond: “Ordinarily this is true, but this is an exceptional case. There is an urgent message for the Seventh Day Adventist people.” Ellen: Agreed Simone: I expect he will say: “But Ellen is in her grave, she cannot communicate”...? Ellen: Agreed. Simone: Then I will respond: “This is incorrect. Lady Ellen was awakened on the third day after death and escorted to the next level, due to the nature of her relationship with Christ.” Ellen: Agreed. Simone: Lady Ellen, is it appropriate for me to say that prophets get special treatment? Ellen: Yes. Simone: And is it appropriate to say that you were one of the prophets? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Will it be appropriate to remind this man that prophets of old were often removed to the next level, which we call 'heaven'? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Will this satisfy the man's doubt? Ellen: Hopefully, yes. (snip) Simone: Lady Ellen, I've been thinking about this man, the president of the local Seventh Day Adventist church conference... and I have some thoughts about him... May I express them now? Ellen: Yes. Simone: I feel that a great responsibility will now fall to this man and his associates, the other SDA pastors... this will not be easy for them... and a great compassion is born in me, a concern... A desire is born in me to place myself at their disposal, to answer any questions they may have. Do you feel that would be appropriate? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, I have thought that the greater challenge to these men will not be so much BEFORE the second coming event, as AFTERWARDS... they will be in a position where they will be called upon to answer the questions of their congregation members AFTER these events. Do you agree? Ellen: Yes. Simone: I mean... I feel it IS important that they should hear your message before these events, to prepare them... in serving their congregations afterwards...? Ellen: Yes. Simone: And I feel a desire to place myself at their disposal to be a support to them, is that appropriate? Ellen: Yes. Simone: Lady Ellen, please confirm that I have understood these words and this information correctly, and recorded it correctly? Ellen: Yes. Simone: May I ask more questions this morning? Ellen: No. Simone: Our interview is over for this morning? Ellen: Yes. Simone: I will now type up today's interview. Please accept my thanks and respect, Lady Ellen. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Interview with Christ Michael (Universe Creator Son, Michael, the Christ, also known as Aton) 30 November 2007 Prayer: “I direct my request to the Source, the ONE Father of all, the First Source&Center. Please encircle me with a circle of Light and Truth. I request a truthful, clear and private communication channel with our Creator Son Christ Michael. I request that all other influences be removed from this circle of Light and Truth. I pray for peacefulness and neutrality. I am grateful for this blessing. Father, in all things we thank You... in all things we praise You... in all things, Thy will be done.” Simone: Please confirm that I have a clear and private communication channel with Christ Michael? Christ Michael: Yes. Simone: My Lord, please accept my respect. Christ Michael: Yes. Simone: Christ Michael, may I ask a few questions? Christ Michael: Yes. Simone: Have I clearly understood the information relayed to me today? Christ Michael: Yes. Simone: Christ Michael, please confirm that you have scheduled these events and the second coming for this December? Christ Michael: Yes. Simone: You will appear as we have been expecting, 'in the clouds of heaven'? Christ Michael: Yes. Simone: Will you appear in the form of an off-worlder (alien)? Christ Michael: No. Simone: You will appear in human form? Christ Michael: Yes. Simone: You will use a body similar to the one you used as Jesus? Christ Michael: Yes. Simone: Christ Michael, will you use the theme song I recommended for the second coming? Christ Michael: No Simone: There is another theme song? Christ Michael: Yes. Simone: Let me guess, written by angels? Christ Michael: Yes. Simone: Christ Michael, confirm for me that the Rebellion has been ended? Christ Michael: Yes. Simone: Is there any deception in the information I have recorded today? Christ Michael: No. Simone: Christ Michael, I wish I had used this method of communication before, we could have had such lovely talks. But I didn't trust it... Christ Michael: Correct, you didn't trust. Simone: Not many people do trust this type of communication... Christ Michael: Correct. Simone: There's not a lot of trust on this planet... Christ Michael: I don't agree! Simone: What? Christ Michael, do you feel that there is a lot of trust here? Christ Michael: Yes. Simone: Enough trust to save the planet? Christ Michael: Yes! Simone: Thank you my Lord. ++++++++++++++++++++++ Website references: · The Teaching Mission (celestial messages and teachings including Christ Michael's messages, official universe broadcasts, and the Magisterial Mission messages): http://www.tmarchives.com/ · The Urantia papers (the Urantia book / Earth book): http://www.urantia.org/ · The faith of Jesus: - http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper196.html · The Lucifer rebellion account: - http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper53.html · The Lucifer rebellion is ended: - http://www.tmarchives.com/transcript_frames.php?tid=340 - http://www.tmarchives.com/transcript_frames.php?tid=32 - http://www.tmarchives.com/ (search for 'rebellion' and 'adjudication') · The kingdom of heaven / the age of Light and Life: - http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper170.html#4. http://christmas-second-coming.blogspot.com/ ______________________________________________ Quote
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted December 18, 2007 Members Posted December 18, 2007 ahh...white Magick at its best - summoning the Spirits Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
nuff sed Posted December 18, 2007 Posted December 18, 2007 good grief! What planet did you say that this person is from?????? Quote
Woody Posted December 18, 2007 Posted December 18, 2007 This is clearly someone having fun at our expense. They want us to have a good laugh which is a good thing. Thank you Simone The first clue I had of this was that all that Ellen could say was either YES or NO. Now let me tell you .... I have never known Ellen to be limited to so many YESs or NOs . It just aint Ellen. It has to be an imposter. What say you? Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Dr. Shane Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Do they serve Postum at this cafe? Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Morning Glory Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Did anyone click on any of the provided links?? Oh my, I agree with Rudywoofs on this one!! Quote Kindness is the oil that takes the friction out of life.
cricket Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Oh yes, I did click on the provided links. Never want to prejudge something--always look into what is provided. The information regardin the book of Urantia is quite interesting. I can see why this person would feel she has a message for Seventh-day Adventists! Quote
Taylor Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Well since we know what the Bible says about the State of the Dead...the post that began this thread can be unequivically ignored or laughed at as a strange joke. Quote
Amelia Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Funny how the responses sound like a Ouija board. Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p>
Stan Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Time will prove this to be what it is.. Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Amelia Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Already know it's a bunch of whoha! Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p>
Stan Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Sister Simone All of here would love to see Jesus come as you said. Please keep your courage up, if it does not have like this. Stan Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Taylor Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Ya that is one thing we can all agree on! We want Jesus to come back soon!! Quote
Guest truthseeker007 Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 On the one hand, such a story is kind of funny. But on the other hand it is very likely that the enemies will try to depict this religion as part of the New Age lies. In fact on some websites you already have other Christian fundamentalists claiming that Ellen used New Age language. Of Course the people who already know about Ellen White will not be affected by these lies, but when the time comes that each and every person from Babylon has to be convinced it can cost a lot of souls. Just red from wikipedia btw, that Constantine in the 4th century installed christmas on 25th of December because of some pagan Gods. Jesus here was represented as the light of the world, something which was already counteracted by the devil before Jesus was born. He wants to give Jesus equal status as all the false pagan Gods. There are already a lot of documentaries on National geographic channel claiming that JEsus is just one of the many figures. These figures were born on the 25th of december and were born from virgins etc etc... I think satan planned it carefully more than 2000 years ago, that in times like these, he could convince many people. Actually we should celebrate Jesus birthday in the summer or somethin, just like the sabbath, that would be a distinction between truth and error. Quote
Moderators John317 Posted December 19, 2007 Moderators Posted December 19, 2007 Greetings. I have a message for the Seventh-Day Adventist people, from Ellen White, concerning the second coming of Christ, which will happen THIS CHRISTMAS. I am Simone. I was raised as a Seventh Day Adventist but have since kept up to date with events in the universe.... Ellen G White is alive and knows about these plans. Lady Ellen asked me to deliver her message... Your message doesn't come from Mrs. White. Ellen G. White is dead and sleeping in her grave until Jesus comes to wake her up in order to take her to be with Him. "To the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." "The dead know nothing." Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Woody Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Quote: Your message doesn't come from Mrs. White. Ellen G. White is dead and sleeping in her grave until Jesus comes to wake her up in order to take her to be with Him. "To the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." "The dead know nothing." I don't disgree with this statement... however we must be honest. Ellen White herself talked to her dead husband , received advice from him and followed it. She then said the encounter was from God. I just want us to he straight forward about her. Wishing all of you a very Merry Christmas. And don't forget ... she said that every church should display a Christmas tree around the 25th of December. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators Denise Posted December 19, 2007 Moderators Posted December 19, 2007 Quote: Already know it's a bunch of whoha! I second that Melia! :) Quote Be Kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another... Monticello Georgia
Moderators John317 Posted December 19, 2007 Moderators Posted December 19, 2007 Quote: Your message doesn't come from Mrs. White. Ellen G. White is dead and sleeping in her grave until Jesus comes to wake her up in order to take her to be with Him. "To the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." "The dead know nothing." I don't disgree with this statement... however we must be honest. Ellen White herself talked to her dead husband , received advice from him and followed it. She then said the encounter was from God. I just want us to he straight forward about her. Wishing all of you a very Merry Christmas. And don't forget ... she said that every church should display a Christmas tree . Ok, let's be straightforward. What you said is simply not true. Ellen White never "talked to her dead husband." She said she had a dream about him. She never claimed that it was real or that her husband was actually alive. She never wrote a single line that indicates she believed anything about the dead except what is stated in Ecc. 9: 5, that the dead do not know anything. It was a dream! Dreams are just that. Ellen White experienced regular dreams, too, of course. Not all her dreams were supernatural or from God. We're not in control of what we dream. It's the subconscious mind at work, not the conscious mind. Aren't you glad you're not held accountable for your dreams? I sure am. Regards, "John 3: 17" Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Woody Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Quote: "Dreams from the Lord are classed in the word of God with visions and are as truly the fruits of the spirit of prophecy as visions." [VOL. 1, P. 569 (1867).] {5T 658.5} Ellen White clearly said she talked to him in the dream and that this "dream" was from God and that she hoped it would happen again. She then went out and followed the instructions and advice of her dead husband. She had the "dream" published for a reason. I recall someone saying " I believe all she said that was meant for publication". Then if that is true ... this is to be believed as she believed it. She indicated she wanted to talk to him again. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators Bravus Posted December 19, 2007 Moderators Posted December 19, 2007 Not that I think He will, but won't we all look silly if Jesus does turn up on Tuesday? Quote Truth is important
cricket Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Well, we won't all look silly. Some may look dumbfounded, however! Quote
Moderators Gerr Posted December 20, 2007 Moderators Posted December 20, 2007 Quote: "Dreams from the Lord are classed in the word of God with visions and are as truly the fruits of the spirit of prophecy as visions." [VOL. 1, P. 569 (1867).] {5T 658.5} Ellen White clearly said she talked to him in the dream and that this "dream" was from God and that she hoped it would happen again. She then went out and followed the instructions and advice of her dead husband. She had the "dream" published for a reason. I recall someone saying " I believe all she said that was meant for publication". Then if that is true ... this is to be believed as she believed it. She indicated she wanted to talk to him again. Would kindly give the reference? Gerry Quote
Norman Byers, N.D. Posted December 20, 2007 Posted December 20, 2007 This would mean that the people of God would need to be sealed,(all others receive the mark, number or name of the beast) The loud cry given in the power of the Latter Rain, Probation will be over, the Sunday law in place, the death decree inacted and the 4 angels holding back the winds of strife will have to let them go and the 7 last plagues would have fallen: all this by next Tuesday. Quote: The second coming event has been planned for the past year or so... it is planned for THIS CHRISTMAS. The SDA people don't know about the new happenings in the universe because they refuse to listen to their angels, who have been trying to tell them. The SDA people don't even acknowledge universe broadcasts, which are published on the internet. I don't know whether to laugh (alot) or cry, this is just sad. I'm just going to stop now before I say something silly. Norman Quote The unconditional pardon of sin never has been, and never will be. PP 522
Moderators John317 Posted December 20, 2007 Moderators Posted December 20, 2007 Quote: "Dreams from the Lord are classed in the word of God with visions and are as truly the fruits of the spirit of prophecy as visions." [VOL. 1, P. 569 (1867).] {5T 658.5} Ellen White clearly said she talked to him in the dream and that this "dream" was from God and that she hoped it would happen again. She then went out and followed the instructions and advice of her dead husband. She had the "dream" published for a reason. I recall someone saying " I believe all she said that was meant for publication". Then if that is true ... this is to be believed as she believed it. She indicated she wanted to talk to him again. You said, "Ellen White herself talked to her dead husband , received advice from him and followed it. She then said the encounter was from God." But you neglected at first to say that it was in a dream, which is not the same at all as "talking to her dead husband." It would be foolish indeed for anyone to think that everything Ellen White said or wrote was meant to be understood as inspired from God. It's important to remember that she also wrote that she saw two dead men,"Brethren Fitch and Stockman," in a vision of heaven [Early Writings, p. 17], yet this doesn't mean Ellen White was teaching that those men were alive in heaven at the time she had the vision. We've discussed Ellen White's dream of James White following his death, on CA before. Do you have a reference to it so that we can read her description of that dream? Regards, "John 3: 17" Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Woody Posted December 20, 2007 Posted December 20, 2007 Quote: It would be foolish indeed for anyone to think that everything Ellen White said or wrote was meant to be understood as inspired from God. I am very much in agreement with you John317. I think it is important that we all realize this. I am simply pointing this out as one example that we can't believe "everything Ellen White said or wrote was meant to be understood as inspired from God." You had asked for some examples. There are actually some people who support EGW so much that they believe if she said something and it was meant for publication ... that they have to believe it. We should always check what she says against the Bible. She does not always mesh with the Bible. She grew like most of us. The things she said at the beginning of her life ... are not as Biblical as those towards the end. I realize this. So, I agree ... we should not believe that this vision/dream was from God. I am not sure why they put it in print. But then there is much that I read of hers that I wonder the same. Glad that we are in agreement. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
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