Stan Posted February 18, 2008 Posted February 18, 2008 What ever you feed........ Grows........... Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted February 18, 2008 Members Posted February 18, 2008 What ever you feed........ Grows........... And sometimes overfeeding will kill. Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Moderators Denise Posted February 18, 2008 Moderators Posted February 18, 2008 Great thought Stan....and oh so true..... Quote Be Kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another... Monticello Georgia
Stan Posted February 18, 2008 Author Posted February 18, 2008 Philippians 4:8: Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. This comes to mind when I read the text that some revengemongers are posting on another forum. I really wonder what this is doing to their own Christian Experience. Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
fccool Posted February 18, 2008 Posted February 18, 2008 From the same guy - 1For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3They all ate the same spiritual food 4and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 5Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert. 6Now these things occurred as examples[a] to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. I think there's a difference of dwelling on evil, and discernign evil ... otherwise we should pitch the OT and sing Cumbaya in circles... no, wait... that's dwelling on evil too. Quote
Woody Posted February 18, 2008 Posted February 18, 2008 Forgiveness means we willingly set aside all the possible evil things that can possibly come to our minds about an individual and instead dwell on the fact that ... that person is a child of God. And since God chooses to not look at his sins ... and instead bury them in the depths of the sea ... then maybe ... just maybe that is what "I" should do also. Forgive ONE another because ... Love Won Another Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Lil Star Posted February 18, 2008 Posted February 18, 2008 How can someone love or forgive another if they have damaged them for life? How can someone just let everything go? I understand what God said but the fact remains, after so long a person can only take so much and thus must take actions to make sure they are protected and safe. If a person just forgives and forgets then they are perpetuating the person. One must stop in the tracks take action and stop the action. One can not just forgive and forget otherwise this will happen to them all over again from the same person. If a person gets away with something over the years then it will just continue on and on over years. Forgive and forget is not always the answer. Quote
Woody Posted February 18, 2008 Posted February 18, 2008 Submitting to the abuse doesn't help either. If this was a wrecked marriage and a spouse was being repeatedly abused ... I would recommend separation. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Lil Star Posted February 18, 2008 Posted February 18, 2008 I wasn't talking about abuse of/in a relationship. Quote
Amelia Posted February 18, 2008 Posted February 18, 2008 Quote: How can someone love or forgive another if they have damaged them for life? How do you know if someone is/or going to be damaged for life? Human beings have an amazing capacity to overcome. Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p>
Lil Star Posted February 18, 2008 Posted February 18, 2008 How do you NOT know? Meaning, a person might not know, but why take that chance they might? Humans do have an amazing way of overcoming things. However, sometimes they don't. Why would someone want to take that chance? Quote
Planey Posted February 19, 2008 Posted February 19, 2008 How can someone love or forgive another if they have damaged them for life? How can someone just let everything go? I agree completely. We cannot do it. On our own. On the other hand Jesus could and did forgive those who did the same to him and worse. Perhaps our only possible course of action is to allow him to work through us. Maybe that's easier said than done, but I do know that not forgiving does more damage to me than to the other party. Graeme Quote Graeme____________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Sulla Posted February 19, 2008 Posted February 19, 2008 Exactly right Planey we can not do it on our own. But we can with God's help. Quote
Moderators Denise Posted February 19, 2008 Moderators Posted February 19, 2008 Quote: Philippians 4:8: Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. I really like that text Stan. It's so neat you mentioned that text, that is the text my son and I were studying this morning! We read out of Phil. 4 today, and concentrated on that verse specifically....it was a blessing. Quote Be Kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another... Monticello Georgia
cardw Posted February 23, 2008 Posted February 23, 2008 Quote: How can someone love or forgive another if they have damaged them for life? Forgiveness is not dependent on the amount of damage. Most things affect us for life. Quote: If a person just forgives and forgets then they are perpetuating the person. Forgiveness is not dependent on forgetting or reconciliation. In fact I would recommend that you don't forget because many times there is wisdom to be gained from our experiences. The best definition of forgiveness that I have found is: Forgiveness: Giving up the need to punish. That's what is good to let go of, not for the other person, but for yourself. Forgiveness doesn't mean you have to stop being angry about the wrong that was done. That anger tells you that you are going to set a boundary and its not going to happen again. Now if that anger is going into punishing someone, you aren't going to find much relief there. And just like grief, forgiveness has a number of stages that are very similar. Quote Rich http://tiny.cc/CM2j8
olger Posted February 23, 2008 Posted February 23, 2008 I agree with a couple things you stated Card. Ie... Giving up the need to punish. Good. Anger is another matter. Anger, like depression is a secondary emotion. It cannot exist by itself. Something is always underneath anger, pushing it to the surface. That "something" is the root cause. Resolve the root cause and the secondary consequences will go away. General Root cause of anger? Bitterness. Bitterness has two main consequences: 1) It leads to more serious and greater sins. Unresolved Bitterness leads to resentment, which leads to anger, which leads to depression, which leads to despair, which leads ultimately to suicidal thoughts. The root cause is the unresolved bitterness. 2) Unresolved Bitterness will defile the majority of people around us (Hebrews 12:15). It will affect others in a personal, negative way. How many bitter (or angry) people does it take to upset a family or a church body? Answer: 1. Proverbs 14 tells us that "Each heart knows its own bitterness." We cannot lie to our hearts. we must be honest before God about things that hurt (wound us). How do we resolve bitterness? By acknowledging the hurt and agreeing to pay the price of the emotional pain that person caused us. Then we are free. "BUT GERRY, THAT'S NOT FAIR!" I know. But it's the only way to resolve bitterness. It wasn't fair that Christ took all of our wrongs and made them His either. In wisdom, God links His forgiveness of us with our forgiveness of others. There are several parables that illustrate this reality. "And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." olger Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
cardw Posted February 23, 2008 Posted February 23, 2008 Quote: General Root cause of anger? Bitterness. I think we need to be careful about generalizing anger. I happen to believe that anger is a valuable awareness. It tells us that something is seriously out of balance and needs action on our part. Where we get into trouble is not identifying the action correctly. If we are to use Jesus as an example I think we too often forget that Jesus freely expressed anger. In the temple Jesus was demonstrating a very angry message through his violent overturning of tables and swinging of cords. If we could give it modern words it would probably communicate the same as, "Get the f*** out of here!" And I think we can all identify with his anger at the situation going on there. I certainly can. It was a swindle of cosmic proportions that kept people prisoners of their own shame and tricked into paying for it. To me anger isn't evidence that we don't care, it is evidence that we care very much. Too often indifference and niceness are paraded out as loving. Too often we seek to get rid of anger when it holds the energy we need for change. It is simply a process of directing that energy in the right direction. I have found that when we condemn anger, that anger gets turned inward instead of being made available to set boundaries and express the need for things to change. Quote Rich http://tiny.cc/CM2j8
Woody Posted February 23, 2008 Posted February 23, 2008 It is a sin to feel anger. If you feel anger ... you need to do something to correct that feeling. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
cardw Posted February 23, 2008 Posted February 23, 2008 Quote: It is a sin to feel anger. If you feel anger ... you need to do something to correct that feeling. Then I guess Jesus sinned...unless he was feeling something else when he was knocking tables over and whipping those cords around or when he called the Pharasees empty tombs... Quote Rich http://tiny.cc/CM2j8
fccool Posted February 23, 2008 Posted February 23, 2008 If it is a sin to feel anger, then Jesus sinned, and God did too. Even Paul states : Be angry but do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger. Eph 4:26 There are different types of anger... righteous and sinful. Jesus was righteously angry many times. Do you think it was in love that he was speaking about pharasies as a "perverse generation of vipers?". I don't think so. It was a statement made in anger. There are times for everything, but because we do not know true intentions of people... we should not let sun go down on our anger and resolve the situation in love. Quote
Woody Posted February 23, 2008 Posted February 23, 2008 Jesus does not sin. He is righteous. He has good reasons for his actions. Of course God lead men into battle to kill. God killed. What He does is just. But just because HE did it ... does not mean that WE can do it. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
fccool Posted February 23, 2008 Posted February 23, 2008 Even Paul states : Be angry but do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger. Eph 4:26 Would Paul even consider this notion if it was impossible? Quote
Woody Posted February 23, 2008 Posted February 23, 2008 Well ... I guess we have a conflict. You state ... Quote: Even Paul states : Be angry but do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger. Eph 4:26 But Ellen White states ... Quote: "It is a sin to speak impatiently and fretfully or to feel angry--even though we do not speak." CG 95 Could BOTH be right perhaps? Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
fccool Posted February 23, 2008 Posted February 23, 2008 the problem that you are reading from a intermediate source, and I'd have to read the entire paragraph and not a snippet to see if she was saying that anger with a proper cause is sin. If so, then she contradicts Bible on this issue IMO. 22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Jesus himself stated that there are different stages of anger. There's a rational one that has a proper cause, and there is irrational one that is not justified. An unrighteous anger would be being angry because somebody said something without first verifying validity of their claims. If somebody comes up to you and spits in your face, or shoots your wife in front of you, you have every right to be angry as those are valid causes. Now, anger that becomes revenge... is never justified. So that's why Paul states, Be angry but do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger. If you dwell on it too much without forgiveness, you will likely to sin. Quote
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