Woody Posted October 5, 2008 Author Posted October 5, 2008 I think Jack has much light. Perhaps he is able to better point out truth in some areas than EGW. I believe EGW was a prophet. She had some good messages from God. But as we have discovered ... not ALL of her messages were from God. I will again ask you the question John that you continue to ignore ... How do we determine which of her messages were just her own opinion and thus open to error ... and which messages were inspired from God? Are the messages from God prefaced with an "I was shown" Or "I was in vision" ?? What was it John? Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Robert Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. Quote
Moderators John317 Posted October 5, 2008 Moderators Posted October 5, 2008 I think Jack has much light. Perhaps he is able to better point out truth in some areas than EGW. I believe EGW was a prophet. She had some good messages from God. But as we have discovered ... not ALL of her messages were from God. Examples? Quote: I will again ask you the question John that you continue to ignore ... How do we determine which of her messages were just her own opinion and thus open to error ... and which messages were inspired from God? Are the messages from God prefaced with an "I was shown" Or "I was in vision" ?? What was it John? I have answered this question before, but you are apparently not reading. All of the messages that she wrote for publication and all the messages she intended as testimonies either to the church, individuals, or to the world in general, are to be accepted. These include the Conflict Series, Steps To Christ, all of the Testimonies for the Church, etc. What she wrote for the church was never merely her private opinion. And no, she does not need to say, "I was shown," or "I was in vision," in order for the message to be from God. Read the Introduction to GC and the first 45 pages or so of 1 SM. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Moderators John317 Posted October 5, 2008 Moderators Posted October 5, 2008 I said that, not Jack. I know you said it. And Jack would neither say nor think it nor would he agree with you on that point. He knows that's not true. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Robert Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Originally Posted By: Robert Because it's a moot point. The Bible disagrees! Show how it disagrees. What you have given here is merely a conclusion that it disagrees. 1 Cor 15:51 Behold' date=' I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep [remain dead'], but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. Mortality is linked with sin and immortality is linked with perfection. Col 1:13 For He [God] delivered us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. "In Christ" our glorified, sinless humanity has already been transferred to heaven "in Christ". We receive this sinless, perfect life at the resurrection. Eph 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus. Right now, as I write, I have a new humanity "in Christ". Is Christ sinless? Yes. Then that glorified humanity is sinless. I am complete "in Christ" by faith. At the resurrection I will receive this life from within Him - a life that measures with the life of God. I will receive a sinless, spotless humanity from Him. Then I will be fully in His image after His likeness. No imperfection of any kind. Otherwise, you must teach that Christ is imperfect. Anything outside this truth must be regarded as pure heresy! Rob Quote
Robert Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Originally Posted By: Robert I said that, not Jack. I know you said it. And Jack would neither say nor think it nor would he agree with you on that point. He knows that's not true. Sure, but it's up to God, isn't it? If God is using Him in a mighty way then either join or get out of the way. This man has light from God.... Quote
Woody Posted October 5, 2008 Author Posted October 5, 2008 Thanks Rob. Well put. The Devil is working hard to make SDAs think that they have something to DO that can add to their saved status. They are workin hard to claim some part in the salvation status. If only we could just ACCEPT the GIFT. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Robert Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Originally Posted By: John317 I know you said it. And Jack would neither say nor think it nor would he agree with you on that point. He knows that's not true. [/quote'] Sure, but it's up to God, isn't it? If God is using Him in a mighty way then either join or get out of the way. This man has light from God.... "We [EGW includes herself] have only the glimmerings of the rays of the light [truth] [size:20pt]that is yet to come to us." Who is to say that Jack is not part of that light? He understands Paul like no other. He brings out Paul as if he was alive today. Adventists either hate Jack or love him. There's no in between! And I'll tell you, the the majority of Sunday Christians love him! Invite him to your church, John. He'll come, only let me give you a bit of advice: Don't challenge him or you'll wind up with foot in mouth. FYI, Rob Quote
Woody Posted October 5, 2008 Author Posted October 5, 2008 Quote: Invite him to your church, John. He'll come, only let me give you a bit of advice: Don't challenge him or you'll wind up with foot in mouth. Rob. We've already seen plenty of that 'foot in mouth' disease here haven't we? Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Robert Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 The Devil is working hard to make SDAs think that they have something to DO that can add to their saved status. Just remember that God's church, in the days of Christ, rejected Him. Why? Self-righteousness! The sinners flocked around Him....They loved Christ. The way I understand it...the majority of SDA will do the same. It's called the shaking. The shaking is caused by the preaching of justification by faith (what Ellen White terms the 3rd angel's message). Look it up. Many will rise up against it and this will cause a shaking. Many in the SDA church really belong to Babylon. Rob Quote
Robert Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Quote: Invite him to your church, John. He'll come, only let me give you a bit of advice: Don't challenge him or you'll wind up with foot in mouth. Rob. We've already seen plenty of that 'foot in mouth' disease here haven't we? Yes, I think so.... Bottom line: "As real spiritual life declines, it has ever been the tendency to cease to advance in the knowledge of the truth. Men rest satisfied with the light already received from God's word, and discourage any further investigation of the Scriptures. They become conservative, and seek to avoid discussion. The fact that there is no controversy or agitation among God’s people, should not be regarded as conclusive evidence that they are holding fast to sound doctrine. There is reason to fear that they may not be clearly discriminating between truth and error. When no new questions are started by investigation of the Scriptures, when no difference of opinion arises which will set men to searching the Bible for themselves, to make sure that they have the truth, there will be many now, as in ancient times, who will hold to tradition, and worship they know not what. Quote
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted October 5, 2008 Members Posted October 5, 2008 Bottom line: "As real spiritual life declines, it has ever been the tendency to cease to advance in the knowledge of the truth. Men rest satisfied with the light already received from God's word, and discourage any further investigation of the Scriptures. They become conservative, and seek to avoid discussion. The fact that there is no controversy or agitation among God’s people, should not be regarded as conclusive evidence that they are holding fast to sound doctrine. There is reason to fear that they may not be clearly discriminating between truth and error. When no new questions are started by investigation of the Scriptures, when no difference of opinion arises which will set men to searching the Bible for themselves, to make sure that they have the truth, there will be many now, as in ancient times, who will hold to tradition, and worship they know not what. IMHO, I think that's true. Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Woody Posted October 5, 2008 Author Posted October 5, 2008 Quote: IMHO, I think that's true. Cool. I think this is so important. Ellen White did have much good to say and I think this was one of them. As a prophet ... I think she had much insight into the issues of the future. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators John317 Posted October 5, 2008 Moderators Posted October 5, 2008 Thanks Rob. Well put.The Devil is working hard to make SDAs think that they have something to DO that can add to their saved status. They are workin hard to claim some part in the salvation status. If only we could just ACCEPT the GIFT. Do you believe what the Spirit of prophecy teaches on this subject? For example, Steps To Christ? Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Woody Posted October 5, 2008 Author Posted October 5, 2008 Originally Posted By: Redwood Thanks Rob. Well put.The Devil is working hard to make SDAs think that they have something to DO that can add to their saved status. They are workin hard to claim some part in the salvation status. If only we could just ACCEPT the GIFT. Do you believe what the Spirit of prophecy teaches on this subject? I do. But I don't believe in your interpretation of what the SOP teaches on this subject. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators John317 Posted October 5, 2008 Moderators Posted October 5, 2008 Originally Posted By: John317 Do you believe what the Spirit of prophecy teaches on this subject? I do. But I don't believe in your interpretation of what the SOP teaches on this subject. Well, based on what I have seen so far, I don't think you understand what I say. I think you have too much emotionally involved to be listening to what I am saying. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Woody Posted October 5, 2008 Author Posted October 5, 2008 Originally Posted By: Redwood I do. But I don't believe in your interpretation of what the SOP teaches on this subject. Originally Posted By: John317 [Well' date=' based on what I have seen so far, I don't think you understand what I say. I think you have too much emotionally involved to be listening to what I am saying. [/quote'] Oh I agree the emotion is there. I hate what you stand for. But I have hated it from the beginning. I see the emotion in you also. From the beginning you got so frustrated that you called me names (D). Then you kicked me out for no reason. So, yes. There are emotions. But even when you put the emotions aside ... there are huge disagreements. The moment I arrived ... I got attacked for my belief in tolerance. I happen to believe that you are saved despite your legalism. God works with us at different paces. I would apply the same thoughts for Sunday keepers. They are sincere. They love God. Just like you John317. It just so happens that we all disagree on the teachings. But we are not saved by our knowledge like I so often say. Those saved will have all kinds of different beliefs. The learning will happen in heaven. In the meantime ... we need to have TOLERANCE for all with all the beliefs they might have. It is my desire that we share our differences but accept each person as a saved child of God. (Even Rob and Jack). Is that possible? Can we show respect? Can we act like Christians? That is my desire. I think we can agree to disagree respectfully. Can we turn over a new leaf? I will look forward to your reply. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
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