Woody Posted November 12, 2008 Posted November 12, 2008 ON the News tonight ... I won't admit what news ... They were talking about how the Mormans are being targeted by the gays because of their support of prop. 8 . The gays are furious that the Mormans put in millions of dollars and at each Morman church ... they asked the members to do all they could do to defeat Prop. 8 This may be a good reason for our church to avoid getting into politics. I think it is counter productive. I wouldn't want thousands of protesters at the GC . What say you? Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators John317 Posted November 13, 2008 Moderators Posted November 13, 2008 I totally agree that it shows why our church shouldn't get involved in politics. Our real purpose for being is to give the gospel, and political issues can prevent the church from being able to do that essential work effectively. It would be interesting to find out if Mormon "missionaries" feel the campaign against Prop. 8 has helped or hurt in their mission work. Maybe the publicity has been good among the kind of people they want to contact. But I can see how it could also possibly be dangerous for them Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Taylor Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 But if we aren't "invovled" in politics by voting..then we have no say in the president of the USA either. Once one goes to vote, as individuals you have to vote your conscience, right? Quote
Woody Posted November 13, 2008 Author Posted November 13, 2008 I don't think the Mormans are in trouble for voting their conscience ... No one would know who to protest if it was as simple as that ... Ellen White said we were not to urge others to vote in a certain way or to even indicate how we are going to vote. I think some of that in a balanced way ... is wise. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators John317 Posted November 13, 2008 Moderators Posted November 13, 2008 By "involved," I mean the church as an organization taking official positions or campaigning for various political/social causes such as Prop. 8. I didn't mean to imply that individually we shouldn't take personal positions or vote. (I do see some exceptions, as for instance, on the Sabbath/Sunday issue, but I think that generally speaking our church needs to be very careful about taking sides in politics.) Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Woody Posted November 13, 2008 Author Posted November 13, 2008 Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Dr. Shane Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 If Mormons are not going to go for polygamy they are not going to go for homosexuality either. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Neil D Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 If Mormons are not going to go for polygamy they are not going to go for homosexuality either. but the cults within mormonism do go for polygamy.....and they hate homosexuality.... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
Moderators John317 Posted November 13, 2008 Moderators Posted November 13, 2008 What may be surprising to a lot of people is the fact that Mormons still believe that God's ideal is for men to have multiple wives. That has not changed. They believe the practice will be continued after God sets up His eternal kingdom. From their viewpoint, it has only been delayed by sinful, human governments. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Liz Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 You would think that the Mormons would then be for prop. 8, because once marriage is re-defined then anything would go. And it would open the doors then for polygamists---right? Quote For what will a man be profited, if he gains the whole world, and forfeits his soul? Mat. 16:26Please, support the JDRF and help find a cure for Type 1 Diabetes. Please, support the March of Dimes.
Moderators John317 Posted November 13, 2008 Moderators Posted November 13, 2008 You might think so, but Mormon's actually have very high moral standards and they would never consider such a thing. They wouldn't be willing to make such a trade-off. If you were to suggest that as a solution, I am sure they would be terribly horror-struck. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Liz Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 Fat chance of that happening, and even if it did, what are the chances of them listening to me? Quote For what will a man be profited, if he gains the whole world, and forfeits his soul? Mat. 16:26Please, support the JDRF and help find a cure for Type 1 Diabetes. Please, support the March of Dimes.
Dr. Shane Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 I guess that would mean Mormons don't believe that the multiple wives of a man would be allowed to be lesbians. Now that would be redefining marriage - everybody married to each other within the group. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Moderators John317 Posted November 13, 2008 Moderators Posted November 13, 2008 Not sure but if you meet some nice Mormons they might be willing to talk to you about it. I've been in a close friendship with a Mormon man by way of email now for over a year. He knows I'm not Mormon but he knows I've studied his religion and we have some good exchanges. I basically just ask him questions about his beliefs and way of understanding things. We exchange a lot of messages, though, about many other things not related to religion. I'm going to ask him about Prop. 8 and find out how he believes it's affected the Mormon church. I'm a member of one of the Mormon Forums but I seldom visit. I'm just there to make friends and ask questions. I would never disrespect them or say bad, negative things about their religion. I ask questions that I hope will help them think about new ways of viewing things. The two main things that we have in common are an interest in health and the belief in modern prophets. But beyond that, we have much to disagree about. They have some weird beliefs that even most Mormons don't know about. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Woody Posted November 13, 2008 Author Posted November 13, 2008 Fat chance of that happening, and even if it did, what are the chances of them listening to me? I dunno. But while I am not a Morman ... I have been willing to listen to you a time or two. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Liz Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 Originally Posted By: Liz Fat chance of that happening, and even if it did, what are the chances of them listening to me? I dunno. But while I am not a Morman ... I have been willing to listen to you a time or two. Yeah, yeah, you listen to me....but do you take my advice? That is the question. Wait...I am not sure I have given you any advice. But I think my point is...that you wouldn't take my advice should I give you any....you being much older and wiser than I.... sorry, I couldn't say that with a straight face. Quote For what will a man be profited, if he gains the whole world, and forfeits his soul? Mat. 16:26Please, support the JDRF and help find a cure for Type 1 Diabetes. Please, support the March of Dimes.
Woody Posted November 13, 2008 Author Posted November 13, 2008 Listening is fine. But doing .... is going a little too far . Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Neil D Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 Quote: .you being much older and wiser than I.... ROFL sorry, I couldn't say that with a straight face. Yeah, I couldn't say that with a straight face either......Wait a minute, Liz.....you shouldn't be sayin' that at all....You need to "respect your elders" and all that... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
Liz Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 You are perfectly out of your mind right Neil, I shall try and not strangle respect you and Redwood from now on....ya'll being so much older than dirt and wiser yeah right . I promise with my fingers crossed to be good good being the new bad from now on. Quote For what will a man be profited, if he gains the whole world, and forfeits his soul? Mat. 16:26Please, support the JDRF and help find a cure for Type 1 Diabetes. Please, support the March of Dimes.
Amelia Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p>
Woody Posted November 13, 2008 Author Posted November 13, 2008 Neil. Why do I get the feeling that we are being laughed at? Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
olger Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 Allow me to pin your ears back with a salient fact. God hates homosexuality. Yes, the wonderful God of creation, redemption, and righteousness. (Amos 5:14-15; Deut 12:31; Psalm 11:5; Deut 7:26; Romans 12:9) Yes God loves people and wants to redeem them. He is a wonderful and righteous God. He commands men everywhere to repent and turn from their wicked ways. This is conversion (Acts 17:30). Those who cling to iniquity will perish with it. They are not converted. (Revelation 21:8; 1 Timothy 1:9-10). Paul was saved because he turned from evil unto good. This is repentance -- a better bias of the soul. og Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Woody Posted November 13, 2008 Author Posted November 13, 2008 If we do our sinful best ... God will do His best to save and make up the difference. A paraphrase of EGW. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted November 14, 2008 Administrators Posted November 14, 2008 Allow me to pin your ears back with a salient fact... And according to the Word of the Lord, God isn't really pleased with arrogance either... Quote: "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen." - God speaking through Ezekiel (Ezekiel 16:49-50.) Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
Moderators John317 Posted November 14, 2008 Moderators Posted November 14, 2008 Quote: "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen." - God speaking through Ezekiel (Ezekiel 16:49-50.) Notice that the prophet does not specify the "detestable things" Sodom did before God's face. But all we have to do to learn what they were is turn back to the narrative in Genesis where they are plainly told. Clearly one of those detestable things was to try to rape angels of God, which was the same as doing them to God's face. The Bible clearly calls homosexual practices "abominations" and "detestable." Lev. 18: 22. According to Ellen White, it was the sins of selfishness and self-indulgence that led to their practicing of sexual immorality. They are all detestable to God. Prov. 6: 16. To get an accurate picture of why God destroyed Sodom, it's necessary to read more than just one or two passages about that event. Read also Jude 7 and 2 Peter 2: 6-8. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
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