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[John317]

For me an acceptable use of the term, "Gay," would be for homosexuals, such as "gays" or "gay people." I wouldn't ever use it for anything like "stupid" or "garbage." Nor would I ever use it as a pejorative term against all homosexuals as if all of them do the same things. I'm gay myself but have given up the lifestyle and no longer practice. I haven't even been with, or talked with, another gay person in nearly 4 years.

I'm just giving my own private opinion & am not talking as a moderator.

[olger]

This thread is happy.

[Liz]

Well, even though I hear it used as meaning stupid, I still don't say it. To me it is a label and I don't like labels on people.

[Woody]

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I haven't even been with, or talked with, another gay person in nearly 4 years.

May I ask why?

Of all people ... I would encourage someone like you to be out in the world sharing the good news of the risen Saviour to all ... even gays. Any time you go out in the world you are apt to meet up with a homosexual. I would hope that we would not avoid contact but witness when the opportunity comes up in our sphere of influence.

I fear that far to many SDAs think that we can sit on the hill safely in our church and expect people to come to us rather than going out in the valleys and find those hurting in sin and in need of a Savoiur.

These are just my views and do not reflect the views of the official Church or anyone else of authority neither here nor there.

[John317]

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I haven't even been with, or talked with, another gay person in nearly 4 years.

May I ask why?

I've "talked" with them on the Forum, but what I mean is that I don't hang out with them any more. As a practicing gay person, you meet them at certain places where I don't go any more. Gay people go to gay churches, gay bars, gay baths, xxx places, parks, truck stops, certain streets, and certain other places. I avoid those places now. I have a new life. I don't want to get back into those things. That would be like an alcoholic going back into the bars or having an ex-junkie hold heroin. I wouldn't recommend it.

It would be presumptuous of me to go back into that atmosphere and in those places. I wouldn't be able to seriously ask God to protect me and help me when I am intentionally putting myself on the doorstep of temptation. I did that already a few times and believe me, it doesn't work. Satan would love me to do that.

[phkrause]

I know what you mean. Being of Jewish heritage it really doesn't bother me that much. Because growing up in NY I used to go to delancy street with my relatives where the Jewish people set up booths where you could barter for goods. I think that is where that "I jewed them down" came from. I like to think that most people using that comment don't mean it in a derogatory way.

pk

[rush4hire]

The point is, stop saying "that's so gay" or using the term "gay" to mean "not cool at all".

Stop it.

[rush4hire]

I haven't noticed it on t.v. or sitcoms, but I live in the panhandle part of Texas. One can hear it in just about any store you walk into from bits and pieces of conversations. But then we are probably not the most politically correct group of people.

[rush4hire]

Is the jury out yet? What is the acceptable use of the term "gay" for this forum?? The results might just send me packing.

[Bravus]

Look, it's pretty simple. You used the word 'gay' in a derogatory way, once.

Once you were called on it, you had two good options:

1. State that it wasn't derogatory at all. Stan has talked about that word's use in different senses, and (despite your odd claim that no-one offered a better definition) much of the last couple of pages has been a thoughtful inquiry into whether it's derogatory or not.

2. Say "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend, I didn't realise it was derogatory or inappropriate - I withdraw the word".

You didn't choose either of those alternatives. Rather, your strong claim seems to be:

3. Yes, it is a derogatory term, and I used it because I believe gay people are deserving of derogatory language.

That's where you run into the Terms and Conditions of this forum: the clear intent is that *no-one* deserves derogatory language directed at them.

In every post since, you have maintained 3 above rather than opt for either 1 or 2.

As long as you continue to maintain that there are people who deserve to have derogatory language directed at them, and maintain that you have the right to do so, you remain beyond the pale of this community.

Not complicated.

[cricket]

Originally Posted By: cricket

Is the jury out yet? What is the acceptable use of the term "gay" for this forum?? The results might just send me packing.

I can understand if you're in the mood to make ultimatums. I hope you would consider how unfair it would be if the administration was moved to act on your demands. I know if I tried to say: "I'm going to leave if you don't do this or that." Likely people would line up to say how happy they where to finally be rid of me! They sure would not start making new rules to pacify me.

How "happy" is that?

Interesting interpretation of my words and intent. Hmm. I'm not demanding the administration to do anything. I simply want a clear understanding of the acceptable use of the term, "gay" for this forum. Not for this thread, not for this sub-forum, but for the forum in general. I'm not asking for new rules, just a clarification as to what is right. And honestly, I wasn't even asking that of the "administration" but rather of the members here instead.

Your sarcasm, while not lost on me, is wasted on me.

Further, if anyone wanted to be rid of me on this forum, all they'd have to do is ask. (They know that.)

[rush4hire]

Deleted due to refusal to comply with moderator requests.

[rush4hire]

Deleted due to refusal to comply with moderator requests.

[rush4hire]

As long as you continue to maintain that there are people who deserve to have derogatory language directed at them, and maintain that you have the right to do so, you remain beyond the pale of this community.

Stop threatening me. It's getting old. You can't persuade someone, so you threaten? Just like the Papacy. Do whatever you have to do. I'm not going to cower to your threats.

I'm not using the word "gay" like that. Just one time. I don't intend to start talking like that. If it's offensive, then I won't talk like that.

Not because of your threats, but because I want to give glory to God.

Have I been using fowl language? Do you know me to be a fowl language using person?

[Bravus]

That is not a threat, it is a description. I was posting as a forum member, not an administrator.

You are lying when you say you are not using the word that way, because your immediate response when you were called on your use of it was to attack homosexual people, and you have never withdrawn those comments and continue to make them.

I am not claiming that you use either 'fowl language' or 'foul language'. I am simply stating (not threatening) that you have broken the rules of this community and shown no ability to even really comprehend that, let alone to make amends and refrain from breaking them in the future.

[rush4hire]

You are lying when you say you are not using the word that way, because your immediate response when you were called on your use of it was to attack homosexual people, and you have never withdrawn those comments and continue to make them.

[Bravus]

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Conclusion:

To say "gay" is used to mean "stupid" or "rubbish", is not a good enough explanation. It's not even accurate, by my experience.

It means unfair, totally not right.

It's an injustice.

It's something that needs fixed.

It's something that makes you angry, or is really disappointing.

It's something you really hate.

OK, 'gay' is a word for a homosexual person, and 'gay' is, in your words, 'something you really hate'.

But you haven't attacked homosexuals. Riiiight.

The rule you have broken is very simple. It's the first of the list of rules you agreed to when you registered for this forum. It is 'Play nice with others'.

That's it.

And, having reinstated these posts, you are gone from here, I believe.

I pray that you will, at some point, encounter a mirror and come to see yourself as others see you. It will be a tough experience, but it will be the salvation of you.

[rush4hire]

OK, 'gay' is a word for a homosexual person, and 'gay' is, in your words, 'something you really hate'.

But you haven't attacked homosexuals. Riiiight.

[Neil D]

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That's not a rule. That's just general idea. Anything can be defined as "not playing nice with others". I could say your not playing nice with others right now.

I keep asking what specific thing indicates such a crime, but I never get an answer. I'm supposed to KNOW.

So, those guys who go to post offices and shoot up the place, they should NOT be proscecuted for the killings and damage that they do?

When they claim that they were not there to hurt people, but they were frustrated, and we should take pity of them, that the pressures of their job caused them to do the frantic measures that they did, all of that should issue an "I'm innocent" from all concerned?

That's the difference between you and us....You refuse to appologize for anything that you have posted. Your brand of hate, mascarades as a religious love, is so anthem to the basics of Adventism and Christianity, it just is not justifable at all.

This will be passed on to the administrators who will review your conduct and your posts. It will be my recommendation that, since, you are not willing to comply nor appolgize for any of your post/behavior, you be banned from Club Adventist.

[Stan]

I count days being numbered... perhaps even hours..

[rush4hire]

That's the difference between you and us....You refuse to appologize for anything that you have posted.

Not factual. I have apologized numerous times when people say they are offended.

Do you want me to say sorry for using the word "gay" like a lot of people use the word these days? Why don't you just say so?

I'm sorry.

I do not say that to save me from being banned. I mean it. It's not a proper way to speak. It's worldly. It's like saying "That's wicked man!". Wickedness is not a good thing.

I only used the word one time. I don't know why you have to make a great big deal about it. It looks like you are desperate to find occasion against me because you can't contend with me in debate.

Also because I say that anyone who is persuaded by your humanistic psychobabble, is of a weak mind.

And the same goes for whit and sense of humor. We are not to be persuaded by these things, but by the authority of the Word of God, only.

[Liz]

Rush, Rush, Rush, why couldn't you just apologize and be done with it? Why did you have to tack on an attack at the end?? They are talking about banning you, and even though I fully admit I don't understand your posts half the time, I really think you need to be here. Please reconsider what you are doing and how you are saying it.

[Woody]

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Also because I say that anyone who is persuaded by your humanistic psychobabble, is of a weak mind.

And the same goes for whit and sense of humor. We are not to be persuaded by these things, but by the authority of the Word of God, only.

Sorry. But I find this offensive.

Why is it that those who think they alone have the authority of God .... WHY is it that they feel they have the right to attack others?

I do not find these attacks appealing or drawing me to God. I find them repulsive. They do not draw me to the author or his message.

I also would like for Rush to remain. I think the moderators however have been more than tolerant. And so all that is left is to plead one more time to Rush to 'moderate' his tone and his message. Could we have SOME commitment from him to BE NICE? If not ... I fear his words will be forever silenced.

[Stan]

There are few things I detest more than banning someone. To do something that makes someone feel rejected by any entity of 'the sisterhood' Or 'brotherhood' of believers is not something I do lightly.

HOWEVER if it is viewed as hurting the forum, then, I have to do the right thing.

Rush is on a 30 day vacation

Please pray that I will make the right decisions when it comes to dealing with members, ESP isolated ones.

Lord forgive me if I am wrong. Life has taught me that I am wrong a lot.

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[Liz]

(((Stan))) I do not envy you. I do, however, appreciate everything that you do.