messenger Posted January 2, 2009 Posted January 2, 2009 Messenger... Various folks come here for various reasons. Am sorry we do not live up to your expectations. My Expectations were from my experience going to other Adventist Sites. Just never been to a site like this one. I do not mean any offense Stan. This is just different and I think that many new visitors will have the same reaction I have had of surprise! I get what your saying, I think, that this site is meant for various folks, not just Adventist! And it is more open and liberal I guess. Maybe you could post something saying something like that that all new visitor could see and they probably would not be as surprised. Just a thought and my opinions, nothing personal against you,no personal insult was intended toward you. Was meant to be sincere questions, it is very different then most Adventist sites. Quote "Sanctify them by the truth"
Stan Posted January 2, 2009 Posted January 2, 2009 Might want to read this... http://ClubAdventist.com/forum/ubbthread....html#Post20846 Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Nightingale Posted January 2, 2009 Posted January 2, 2009 Doesn't it seem interesting and somewhat strange that there is so much discussion over rules that are basic Christian courtesy?? Why??? Only a personal question to think about--not to answer here. Quote John 3: 16: "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life."
Members phkrause Posted January 2, 2009 Members Posted January 2, 2009 I have to agree. The rules are very simple and christian like. Not any different than having common curdesey for others when driving a vehicle. Or even respecting your neighbor. Or even following the 10 moral rules that God wrote on 2 tables of stone. pk Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Woody Posted January 2, 2009 Posted January 2, 2009 Yes pk ... but because God wrote them on both sides of the tables of stone .... some may forget to turn over the stone and see what else God has in mind for them. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Members phkrause Posted January 2, 2009 Members Posted January 2, 2009 good one redwood pk Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Moderators Jeannieb43 Posted January 2, 2009 Moderators Posted January 2, 2009 And it is more open and liberal I guess. Just a thought and my opinions, nothing personal against you,no personal insult was intended toward you. Was meant to be sincere questions, it is very different then most Adventist sites. And I appreciate the difference! All schools of thought are welcome here. "liberal" and "conservative" -- "young" and "old" -- etc. That's the outlook which makes for a good community! Who would ever want to join a club where nobody ever has an original thought? Quote Jeannie<br /><br /><br />...Change is inevitable; growth is optional....
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted January 3, 2009 Administrators Posted January 3, 2009 ...Who would ever want to join a club where nobody ever has an original thought? Not I for sure! I used to frequent just such a forum and any of my modestly original thoughts were most unwelcome. But they were obssessively insistent on politeness and Christian courtesy but quite intolerant and critical of anyone not like-minded. Perhaps that forum would be a preferable place for those uncomfortable with the degree of openness and freedom of thought and expression which most of us around here appreciate and would highly value continuing... Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
olger Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 Run on sentence.... hi Tom. Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted January 3, 2009 Administrators Posted January 3, 2009 Having a bit of trouble following the complexity of compound sentence structure tonight, olger? BTW - You may want to check the definition of a term before attempting grammatical analysis and dispensing your unsolicited iditorial commentary. Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
CyberGuy Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 Originally Posted By: Jeannieb43 ...Who would ever want to join a club where nobody ever has an original thought? Not I for sure! I used to frequent just such a forum and any of my modestly original thoughts were most unwelcome. But they were obssessively insistent on politeness and Christian courtesy but quite intolerant and critical of anyone not like-minded. Perhaps that forum would be a preferable place for those uncomfortable with the degree of openness and freedom of thought and expression which most of us around here appreciate and would highly value continuing... LOL. Yeah I know the forum. I had the SAME problem there for the same reason. I was to liberal for them and they did not tolerate that for very long. Easier to silence the opposition than to give reasons why you feel that way about topics. Quote Riverside CA
Stan Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 I would think one reason, and I have not done scientific research on this, only from observation and... this this and this... That the average education of the active posters is significantly higher her. I am not saying education is needed to read the Bible not to get a person into heaven BUT it is known that the higher the education the less "Black and White" things are. Please don't shoot me... Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
CyberGuy Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 I would think one reason, and I have not done scientific research on this, only from observation and... this this and this...That the average education of the active posters is significantly higher her. I am not saying education is needed to read the Bible not to get a person into heaven BUT it is known that the higher the education the less "Black and White" things are. Please don't shoot me... True very true. I live in an Adventist university town. In fact Loma Linda and La Sierra Universities are just 20 miles apart. It does make Adventists in our area more liberal and free thinking than the rest of the adventist church. We have even been hailed as Liberals and calls for our expulsion from the adventist church over the Womens ordination issue by some within the church from within the NAD. Quote Riverside CA
Stan Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 you can be conservative and free thinking as well. Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted January 3, 2009 Administrators Posted January 3, 2009 Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
Stan Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 炮 IS that some kind of secret Jesuit Hunter code? Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Moderators Bravus Posted January 3, 2009 Moderators Posted January 3, 2009 In general, though, more education tends to lead people to the left: just look at the blue spots on university towns in red states. Explanations and value assessments assigned to that fact vary. Quote Truth is important
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted January 3, 2009 Administrators Posted January 3, 2009 maybe, maybe not... :smile: actually a misfired code... corrected now (What I was attempting was a more obscure variation on the above theme, I discovered that "炮" was the UBB rendering of a Chinese character... something got lost in the translation... The character spoken is phonetically "pow" and is the Chinese word for cannon or artilery... My failed attempt at obscure cleverness...) Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
Stan Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 You know I have a Chinese daughter right? Here it is in chinese Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted January 3, 2009 Administrators Posted January 3, 2009 Yes! That's it! (But I had forgotten about your daughter.) I attempted a font enlargement which resulted in the misfire... Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
Stan Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 well, I do have a chinese daughter, but she does not speak/read chinese. I google that. What does it mean? Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Woody Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 I would think one reason, and I have not done scientific research on this, only from observation and... this this and this...That the average education of the active posters is significantly higher her. I am not saying education is needed to read the Bible not to get a person into heaven BUT it is known that the higher the education the less "Black and White" things are. Please don't shoot me... I was going to agree with you Stan. But then I saw the "black and white" statement. And from personal experience ... I know that there are some PC members here who would shoot ME for agreeing with such a comparative statement. They are those who well should I say ... have a darker complexion. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted January 3, 2009 Administrators Posted January 3, 2009 You see Stan, my effort is to launch a personal attack which might get past your over-zealous moderators by posting in a foreign language. Of course that could result in a new rule that posting must be in English... And lest anyone think that absurd, Stan (as he was also a member there, as I recall) may recall that for that very infraction I nearly got banned from the alternate universe clone of the forum to which I previously referred. To make a long story short, I posted in Swedish to a member from Sweden and the moderators and administrator in a fit of paranoia assumed the other member and I were making fun of them in Swedish. After they calmed down from the threatened banning, they added the new rule of English only. You see my experience is that once you go on a rule crazed path it is a path of destruction for a forum. The list of rules get longer and posts get smaller and less numerous for fear of infraction and everyone moves on to greener pastures. And don't you love a good segue right back on topic, Amelia!!! Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
Neil D Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 AAaaaahhh, Tom Wetmore...the freer he is to post, the more he conforms to suposed rules....The more rules he is to conform to, the less he posts... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
David Koot Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 I noticed the topic in the email 'This Week on Adventist Forum' and thought some rules from other Christian forums might be helpful. Here are some examples: "Messages posted to this board must be polite and free of personal attacks, threats, and crude or sexually-explicit language, rude comments and innuendo. . . . . Flaming You will not insult, belittle, mock, or personally attack other members or groups of members. Use of derogatory nicknames in reference to other members is prohibited. Don't goad another member or start call-out threads. This flaming rule also applies to public figures. If you are flamed, don't respond in-kind. Alert staff to the situation by utilizing the report button. Harassment Harassment of another member is strictly prohibited. Respect another member's request to cease contact. Don't make another member's experience on this site miserable. This includes, but is not limited to, gossiping or spreading rumors about another member or persistently attacking them in the open forums. Don't threaten another member. Don't report another member out of spite. Impersonation Be truthful about your identity. Don't impersonate other members. Confidentiality and Privacy Respect another member's right to confidentiality and privacy. Don't publicly release the contents of another member's private communications without permission of the author. Don't publicly disseminate personally identifiable information, including, but not limited to, your home address, phone number, social security number, or credit card information. You may place your Email addresses and instant messenger information in your profile. Be cautious about what information you choose to disclose online. Disruptive Behavior You will not disrupt the peace and harmony of the site. Disruptive behavior includes, but is not limited to, the rehashing of alleged grievances or disputes; publicly complaining about posts or threads submitted in forums throughout the site; or ranting about _______________ or its staff. Vulgarity and Profanity You will not use profanity or foul language (which includes using punctuations to bypass the profanity filter) in your postings. Don't post graphic or sexually explicit images or text. Don't violate community standards. Staff will remain the sole and final arbiter of what does and does not violate community standards. Racist, hateful, sexist (discussions regarding certain biblical interpretations on the roles of men and women will not be considered "sexist" under this rule), or abusive language is strictly prohibited. Spamming and Advertising Don't repetitively post similar or identical posts or threads. Don't advertise commercial products or services. This includes promoting or linking to other message boards. Tickers are allowed in signatures. No other links are allowed in signatures. Links may be placed on your profile page. Off-topic Start threads that are relevant to that forum's stated purpose (forum-specific guidelines will determine what is and is not relevant to that forum); submit replies that are relevant to the topic of discussion . . ." To my observation, a number of Christian forums which have and enforce rules such as the above do very well, with active and lively discussion among, in many cases highly educated participants and moderators. To a significant degree, the threads are free of rancor and ad hominem attacks, and when such occur, they are dealt with. David Koot Quote
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