Dr. Shane Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 Wow David Koot is back. I thought we lost him to married life. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
David Koot Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 Hi Shane, Been pretty active with that as well as other things. But this weekly email did get my attention. Hope all is well with you. Dave Quote
Taylor Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 Wow DAVID is back. I was wondering what had happened to him for soooo long. How is life Dave? Quote
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted January 3, 2009 Administrators Posted January 3, 2009 Excellent!! More rules. Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
Neil D Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 Excellent!! More rules. Tom, You are JUST SO evil... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
messenger Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 I noticed the topic in the email 'This Week on Adventist Forum' and thought some rules from other Christian forums might be helpful. Here are some examples: "Messages posted to this board must be polite and free of personal attacks, threats, and crude or sexually-explicit language, rude comments and innuendo. . . . . Flaming You will not insult, belittle, mock, or personally attack other members or groups of members. Use of derogatory nicknames in reference to other members is prohibited. Don't goad another member or start call-out threads. This flaming rule also applies to public figures. If you are flamed, don't respond in-kind. Alert staff to the situation by utilizing the report button. Harassment Harassment of another member is strictly prohibited. Respect another member's request to cease contact. Don't make another member's experience on this site miserable. This includes, but is not limited to, gossiping or spreading rumors about another member or persistently attacking them in the open forums. Don't threaten another member. Don't report another member out of spite. Impersonation Be truthful about your identity. Don't impersonate other members. Confidentiality and Privacy Respect another member's right to confidentiality and privacy. Don't publicly release the contents of another member's private communications without permission of the author. Don't publicly disseminate personally identifiable information, including, but not limited to, your home address, phone number, social security number, or credit card information. You may place your Email addresses and instant messenger information in your profile. Be cautious about what information you choose to disclose online. Disruptive Behavior You will not disrupt the peace and harmony of the site. Disruptive behavior includes, but is not limited to, the rehashing of alleged grievances or disputes; publicly complaining about posts or threads submitted in forums throughout the site; or ranting about _______________ or its staff. Vulgarity and Profanity You will not use profanity or foul language (which includes using punctuations to bypass the profanity filter) in your postings. Don't post graphic or sexually explicit images or text. Don't violate community standards. Staff will remain the sole and final arbiter of what does and does not violate community standards. Racist, hateful, sexist (discussions regarding certain biblical interpretations on the roles of men and women will not be considered "sexist" under this rule), or abusive language is strictly prohibited. Spamming and Advertising Don't repetitively post similar or identical posts or threads. Don't advertise commercial products or services. This includes promoting or linking to other message boards. Tickers are allowed in signatures. No other links are allowed in signatures. Links may be placed on your profile page. Off-topic Start threads that are relevant to that forum's stated purpose (forum-specific guidelines will determine what is and is not relevant to that forum); submit replies that are relevant to the topic of discussion . . ." To my observation, a number of Christian forums which have and enforce rules such as the above do very well, with active and lively discussion among, in many cases highly educated participants and moderators. To a significant degree, the threads are free of rancor and ad hominem attacks, and when such occur, they are dealt with. David Koot Hey David, I agree with your observations, that has been mine too. "A number of Christian forums which have and enforce rules such as the above do very well, with active and lively discussions among, in many cases highly educated participants and moderators." I completely agree with you and I have been to several Adventist and Non-Adventist sites. It seems like those who want to act out badly at times and do not believe in keeping God's Laws, also do not like rules and guidelines in the forums. All the Adventist ones that I have been too that did not have rules and guidelines became so offensive that members were complaining and some of the good members left. And now those same sites have now decided that they do need rules and guidelines and are now posting them! Not unlike this site! So, thanks for your post, I share your opinion based on experience with the sites. Blessings In Christ, Messenger Quote "Sanctify them by the truth"
Robert Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 It seems like those who want to act out badly at times and do not believe in keeping God's Laws, also do not like rules and guidelines in the forums. "If righteousness comes by the law Christ died for nothing" Laws produce outward conformity, but then don't change the heart. All such rules are kept for egocentric reasons: 1] Hope of a reward (you get to stay on CA) 2] Fear of the moderator Quote
messenger Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 Originally Posted By: messenger It seems like those who want to act out badly at times and do not believe in keeping God's Laws, also do not like rules and guidelines in the forums. "If righteousness comes by the law Christ died for nothing" Laws produce outward conformity, but then don't change the heart. All such rules are kept for egocentric reasons: 1] Hope of a reward (you get to stay on CA) 2] Fear of the moderator The Law of God cannot save or make one righteous, only Christ can do that. The Law like the rules and guidelines can teach us a standard of love and Christian values and is a knowledge to us when we are in violation of them. These rules and guidelines will protect the rights of all, some who call themselves liberals, conservatives etc. We are all under the same rules and guidelines that encourage respect and compassion for one another, they help ensure if enforced that we are all treated equally! Quote "Sanctify them by the truth"
Moderators Nan Posted January 3, 2009 Moderators Posted January 3, 2009 Jesus summed up all these rules, when requested - Love your neighbour as yourself. When this is put into practice, none of the elaboration is necessary. But somehow we think we need the elaboration. Quote
messenger Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 Jesus summed up all these rules, when requested - Love your neighbour as yourself. When this is put into practice, none of the elaboration is necessary. But somehow we think we need the elaboration. If we lived in a perfect world and all profess Christians were perfect, then we would not need to be reminded of What Christian compassion is. Experience from belonging to other SDA site, shows that the rules and guidelines are needed. Christ said to let the wheat and tares grow together until the end... On these sites not all are wheat, not all Christians, even in management positions there are some tares, even in leadership within the church. And even if you have Christian love, others on the site may not and cause problems, they do it is a fact, check with some of the other SDA site admins. they will tell you that you need them and some have now post them! Quote "Sanctify them by the truth"
Robert Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 These rules and guidelines will protect the rights of all, An assumption at best. Take for example that stealing is a sin. If I rob a bank I go to jail and I can't use the stolen money to pay my fines and get good legal help. But if I do a white collar crime, like Madoff, I can use the stolen money to buy my way out of trouble. What I mean is that human laws have injustice and bias built into them. The moderators are sinners (even if trying to live above sin). Hence there won't be equal justice for all. Birds of like feathers flock together Rob Quote
David Koot Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 Wow DAVID is back. I was wondering what had happened to him for soooo long. How is life Dave? Hi Taylor, and thanks for asking. Life is excellent. Busy with great Bible studies, weekly meetings on both sides of SF Bay, just starting a new series locally and I will be advertising a presentation on Armageddon in Sam Francisco in the next few weeks. Aside from work, I am married to a wonderful woman, and after almost a year and a half of marriage am very, very pleased. Didn't know marriage could be this good! I told her the other day that "Life began with Patricia," (her name) and that is so-o-o true for me. How are things going for you, Taylor? Dave Quote
messenger Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 Originally Posted By: messenger These rules and guidelines will protect the rights of all, An assumption at best. Take for example that stealing is a sin. If I rob a bank I go to jail and I can't use the stolen money to pay my fines and get good legal help. But if I do a white collar crime, like Madoff, I can use the stolen money to buy my way out of trouble. What I mean is that human laws have injustice and bias built into them. The moderators are sinners (even if trying to live above sin). Hence there won't be equal justice for all. Birds of like feathers flock together Rob We are not talking about human law, we are talking about divine law, it was Christ that said to love one another and that all the law and the prophets could be summarized to say Love God... and love your neighbor... Love is the Law of all, and on all these rules and guidelines hangs, or can be summarized to say Love one another, treat others the way that you want to be treated! Quote "Sanctify them by the truth"
Neil D Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 You ol' Koot! I was down in SF a few weeks ago, for the Dickens Faire....Where the heck were YOU?????? Man, If I had known you were there, I would have asked you out for some [looking this way and that] [temporary pirate mode-on] Grog. [TP mode-off] neil The oldest of koots PS- Would have sent this PM, but you are "over your PM limit"....So, get in there and answer all those PMs you lazy person you... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
Robert Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 We are not talking about human law, we are talking about divine law Let's take this somewhere else. I'll start a new thread in town hall. Let's call it, "Human laws" Quote
Woody Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 Hey's ye pirate ye ... Back Off. How's dares ye call me friend 'lazy'. What in the Dickens has gotten in ya? Those there trips to S.F. cause ye to be unKooth. Welcome back David. Ye be here just in time for the rules controversy. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Stan Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 Messenger who are you talking about here? Quote: On these sites not all are wheat, not all Christians, even in management positions there are some tares, even in leadership with the church. How do you spell arrogant where you live? OR judgemental? Which if the rules did you break when you posted that? and what should be the reaction? Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Stan Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 Messenger Do you pass out a list of rules to folks who come to visit your local Church? Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Members phkrause Posted January 3, 2009 Members Posted January 3, 2009 Yes I have to agree with the rest WOW! its been a long time. Good to see you. pk Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Woody Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 Messenger Do you pass out a list of rules to folks who come to visit your local Church? Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
messenger Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 Messenger who are you talking about here? Quote: On these sites not all are wheat, not all Christians, even in management positions there are some tares, even in leadership with the church. How do you spell arrogant where you live? OR judgemental? Which if the rules did you break when you posted that? and what should be the reaction? Stan, I was not talking about you if that is what you mean! I am speaking in general. Quote "Sanctify them by the truth"
Stan Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 So who? You have authority to make that judgement call? Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
messenger Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 So who? You have authority to make that judgement call? Look,I am just stating what the bible and SOP says about wheat and tares. Did not try to apply it personally to anyone. But if you want to take it personally and justify a reason to band me or whatever that is on you, Stan! But let the record be clear, I was not talking about anyone personally, only in general, it is what the bible says too! Quote "Sanctify them by the truth"
David Koot Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 You ol' Koot! I was down in SF a few weeks ago, for the Dickens Faire....Where the heck were YOU?????? Man, If I had known you were there, I would have asked you out for some [looking this way and that] [temporary pirate mode-on] Grog. [TP mode-off] neil The oldest of koots Aye, an' I would have invited ye aboard the pirate vessel in the pirate harbor. Lots o'grog there (veggie grog) and sent ye off in thee dinghy. Tell me, ye raspy knave, when thee will be in pirate country agin. I will prepare a suitable pirate reception for thee, w' the plank awaiting thee! Dave PS- The PM's be now cleared for action. Quote
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted January 3, 2009 Administrators Posted January 3, 2009 Originally Posted By: Tom Wetmore Excellent!! More rules. Tom, You are JUST SO evil... Arrrrg!! ye old deck ape are one to be spouting off and a pointin' yer twisted hook at me... But apparently you are correct and I am evil, at least according to the one who passed the following judgment upon us anti-rule fiends - "It seems like those who want to act out badly at times and do not believe in keeping God's Laws, also do not like rules and guidelines in the forums." Arrrg! Pass the grog ye ole skin flint salt... The goblin shark of the abyss Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
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