Stan Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Joshua 1:8 Have the book of this Law always on your lips; meditate on it day and night, so that you may carefully keep everything that is written in it. Then you will prosper in your dealings, then you will have success. Jerusalem Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
olger Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Thanks. What is a legalist? Legalism is self-righteousness. Legalism is not obedience. regards, og Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
SivartM Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 He wasn't saying that keeping the law would save you. Just that you will be successful if you obey God. Which is true. Quote "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde�Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." - Jesus
Members phkrause Posted March 8, 2009 Members Posted March 8, 2009 I agree with olger, I don't believe that Moses was a legalist. pk Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
GreatLakesGramma Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Why do you think God gave the law? Was it something arbitrary just to make things hard for us? I think NOT! God is a God of love. His law is love - all of it. He gave it to us in love, because He made us and He knows what is best for us. Jesus said that He came that we might have life, and have it more abundantly. (John 10:10) That is what God has always wanted for us. And that is what the law is for - to show us the way to have that abundant life He wants so much for us. If we believe Him we will keep His commandments, because we trust that He knows best what will make us happy and fulfilled. When we chose to go against His laws, we are telling Him that we know better than He does. And we also are telling Him to stay out of our lives, we want to run it our own way. It breaks His heart, especially to watch us suffer the consequences of our own choices, but He loves us so much that He respects our freedom to choose for ourselves, so He does that very hard thing for a loving Father to do, of letting us have our way, and receive what we have chosen. Quote Catherine God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever. Psalm 73:26. "To be a Christian means to forgive the inexcusable, because God has forgiven the inexcusable in you." -- C. S. Lewis
GreatLakesGramma Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 And Moses knew that. Quote Catherine God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever. Psalm 73:26. "To be a Christian means to forgive the inexcusable, because God has forgiven the inexcusable in you." -- C. S. Lewis
True-believer Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Was Moses a legalist? NO NO NO NO NO NO NO Quote Luke 4:19To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
True-believer Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 If you want to be a LEGALIST then join the Reformed Movement SDA Church www.sdarm.org or www.sdarm.org.au Quote Luke 4:19To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Robert Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Joshua 1:8 Have the book of this Law always on your lips; meditate on it day and night, so that you may carefully keep everything that is written in it. Then you will prosper in your dealings, then you will have success. Jerusalem God, through Moses, gave the Israel the Old Covenant. Does that mean that God has two methods for gaining heaven? No, the giving of the law was never as a means of salvation, but rather it was given to make mankind's situation hopeless so that they would seek the righteousness that comes by faith "in Christ Jesus". Quote
True-believer Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Paul says to us to "FLEE LEGALISM!!!" Also in Philippines 4:4 we're commanded to: "REJOICE IN THE LORD ALWAYS, AGAIN I SAY REJOICE!" Quote Luke 4:19To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Robert Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Paul says to us to "FLEE LEGALISM!!!" Sure, but at the same time he says, "those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires." That's the aim.... Quote
True-believer Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Originally Posted By: True-believer Paul says to us to "FLEE LEGALISM!!!" Sure, but at the same time he says, "those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires." That's the aim.... Yes... But... Legalism is very different to Obedience... We have been crucified with Christ, but we are also raised with Christ... We're raised with Christ to greater heights... To do His WILL... Not our own WILL... New life in Christ--now that is really awesome... Quote Luke 4:19To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Moderators Gerr Posted March 8, 2009 Moderators Posted March 8, 2009 "By faith Moses...." Heb 11:23. Quote
BobRyan Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Legalism is simply "some form of obedience apart from faith whereby you suppose you are made right with God". Because it is "apart from faith" it is therefore a "thought crime". The same outward act of honoring parents or rest on Sabbath can be "by-faith-alone obedience to the Gospel" OR "legalism" depending on the person. in Christ, Bob Quote John 8:32 - The Truth will make you free“The righteousness of Christ will not cover one cherished sin." COL 316.
delta Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 When someone try to keep, to obey God's holy Law (e.g.: Keeping the Sabbath holy)....It is NOT unusual if there is also a choir to attack the person and sending a message: LEGALISM !!! Yet if somone always in strickly keeping the laws or rules of any sports, businesses, cities, their jobs or any laws in traffics/highways...there must be also a choir sending a message: GOOD PERSON GOOD CITIZEN What a liberal theology---> too fanatics in campaigning and teaching to obey every man-made laws/rules very strickly (yes, too fanatics) but unfortunately too easy to disrespect and loosen the necessity of obedience, and also too fast to attack and misrepresent someone's obedience of God's holy Law as LEGALISM. Okey, time for playing basketball now. Please teach me how to become a legalist player. God bless you and bless your obedience to any rules/laws of your job. And may your boss not attacking your obedience as LEGALISM. Quote
delta Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Not a surprise if satan hates God's perfect and holy laws. Not at all. Quote
Kountzer Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Legalism Is: following man made rules instead of God given principles of living. With that in mind, why is it that legalism is often attached to sabbath keeping, and not to Sunday worship, which is obviosly the result of man made rules? Quote I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. Frederick Douglass
Robert Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Legalism is strict adherence to the law in order to gain heaven. Self-righteousness is thinking that you are actually keeping the law. Quote
Kountzer Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Legalism is strict adherence to the law in order to gain heaven. So, the next time I am in a conflict with someone, and I refrain from killing them, am I am legalist? Or a law abiding christian? I think the latter. DB Quote I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. Frederick Douglass
Outta Here Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Depends on which laws you want to follow, because in some cases, it looks like God says go ahead and kill 'em: Exodus 32:27 Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side ... and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor. 1 Samuel 15:2-3 Thus saith the Lord of hosts ... go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare him not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. Quote
Robert Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Originally Posted By: Robert Legalism is strict adherence to the law in order to gain heaven. So, the next time I am in a conflict with someone, and I refrain from killing them, am I am legalist? Or a law abiding christian? I think the latter. DB I don't know your motive for not killing someone. Is it because you might go to jail (which is fear based and hence the wrong motive) or is it because you let the HS override your nature because you want to glorify God. If the latter, well, that's good, but in and of itself that's only a small part of the law. The law is exceedingly broad and even takes the desires and motives into account. Basically the law requires no self-love, but instead agape love. Anything short of this is falling short of the law's requirements and hence you cannot be saved by your strict obedience to the law. Quote
Robert Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Depends on which laws you want to follow, because in some cases, it looks like God says go ahead and kill 'em: Exodus 32:27 Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side ... and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor. God: "Do not Kill" God: "But if I say you can kill, kill" Hmmm? I know it looks like a contradiction, but... Murder, killing is where someone takes life from another person. It goes against the moral law. Since the law is supposedly a reflection of God's character then God doesn't kill. So what's up? Under law vs. under grace. You see "under law" the sinner must die. Under "grace" the sinner died in the humanity of Christ. The quote you gave is in relationship to the law. God, through Moses, gave the "old covenant", which was "obey and live, disobey and die". Then Israel (out of pride) entered that OC with their eyes fully open. So when one outwardly sinned they had to answer the law. There was no grace. Hence, we are either "under law" or "under grace". Under law there is only condemnation for none of us are fully meeting it's requirements even though, through the Spirit, we are growing. Quote
Kountzer Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Depends on which laws you want to follow, because in some cases, it looks like God says go ahead and kill 'em: Exodus 32:27 Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side ... and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor. 1 Samuel 15:2-3 Thus saith the Lord of hosts ... go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare him not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. A person paying too much notice to you msg board yeah hoos could end up in prison, or worse yet death row. kountzer Quote I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. Frederick Douglass
Woody Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Moses wasn't a very good legalist. But he was a good murderer. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
GoLions Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Under law vs. under grace. You see "under law" the sinner must die. Under "grace" the sinner died in the humanity of Christ. The quote you gave is in relationship to the law. God, through Moses, gave the "old covenant", which was "obey and live, disobey and die". Then Israel (out of pride) entered that OC with their eyes fully open. So when one outwardly sinned they had to answer the law. There was no grace. Hence, we are either "under law" or "under grace". Under law there is only condemnation for none of us are fully meeting it's requirements even though, through the Spirit, we are growing. plently of grace in the old covenant. Exodus 34:9 And he said, If now I have found grace in thy sight, O LORD, let my LORD, I pray thee, go among us; for it is a stiffnecked people; and pardon our iniquity and our sin, and take us for thine inheritance. Psalm 84:11 For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly. Quote
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