Moderators Bravus Posted January 30, 2005 Moderators Posted January 30, 2005 Just one example: The woman caught in adultery. (A person who was in a situation of sexual sin, as most Christians believe homosexuals to be, so it's the best parallel we have in Scripture.) What does Jesus do? First he stands with the accused and protects her. Interestingly, though, he doesn't get into a big confrontational shouting match with the accusers - he just bends down and starts writing on the ground. Whether because of what he wrote, or just because of the pause for reflection he provided, one by one the accusers melt away. When there are none left, he offers her acceptance (sorry Shane) and says that he does not condemn her. Finally, after all that, he also continues to hold up the standard - 'go and sin no more'. (because her life was hurting her) We need to work on doing things his way. Which side of that picture do we stand on? With the hurting or the hurters? We need to get in the middle, where the protector stands. Quote Truth is important
Neil D Posted January 30, 2005 Posted January 30, 2005 Another example is the woman at the well. Jesus engages conversation with a despised woman. He doesnt say "you are wrong"...but rather "this is correct and because of it, this is gonna happen." IOWs, he doesn't attack her. He helps her to understand.He educates....Her response during the whole converstation was to be confrontational...but it changes to something else..."come see this man..." Just a thought from someone who doesn't do that enough....[pun intended] Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
Moderators Bravus Posted January 30, 2005 Moderators Posted January 30, 2005 Indeed - and furthermore, what does he do *first*? Asks *her* for a drink. That is, acknowledges that *she* has some contribution to make, and can give Him something that's valuable (to life itself). How often do we approach those in pain as though we know it all and have it all and can do it all for them? Jesus knew better. He affirmed her worth with the first words he spoke: *that's* how you love the sinner... Quote Truth is important
Dr. Shane Posted January 30, 2005 Author Posted January 30, 2005 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> The main problem I have with the homosexual issue in these approaches is that these people did not ask for this trait. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> I didn't ask to be an alcoholic either. For me getting drunk everytime I drink is NORMAL. In fact, I can't figure out why anyone would want to drink if they don't want to get drunk. Yet practising alcoholism is a sin just as much as practising homosexuality. I lived with two homosexuals when I was in college (not at the same time) and have been exposed to the lifestyle quite a bit. I later ran a ministry for three years for homosexuals. I do believe they are born with a tendancy to become homosexuals as much as alcoholics are born with a tendancy to become alcoholic. The two are cousins of a sort. One of my favorite stories to tell is the time I was studying in the hall and this gorgeous girl came down the hall and stopped at the bulliten board. I was fixated on her as she was just so attractive. She posted a flier and was on her way. Well, I had to see what the flier was. I mean if it was a bake sale I was buying or a German club I was going to learn German. Of all things it had to be an invitation to the Lesibian Association <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Dr. Shane Posted January 30, 2005 Author Posted January 30, 2005 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Just one example: The woman caught in adultery. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Yes, Jesus reached out to the woman and told her to sin no more. That is a perfect model of what we are to do with homosexuals. Reach out to them and then tell them to sin no more. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Dr. Shane Posted January 30, 2005 Author Posted January 30, 2005 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Another example is the woman at the well. Jesus engages conversation with a despised woman. He doesnt say "you are wrong" <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> He was tactful but He did tele her she was wrong. What can be learned here is her reaction when presented with her error. She could have gotten defensive and resisted the Truth but instead she accepted the rebuke and gained salvation. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Guest Posted January 31, 2005 Posted January 31, 2005 Hey, Take anyone of whatever living, thinking pattern... See if they deny Jer 17:9 and Rom 8:7. See if they have the same mind as Jesus in Heb 1:9.. Cheapo, cheapo... the issue is ENMITY... Jesus is despised and rejected OUTSIDE the church as well as inside.. Quote
Moderators Bravus Posted January 31, 2005 Moderators Posted January 31, 2005 See if they have the same mind as Jesus in Matthew 5... Quote Truth is important
GreatLakesGramma Posted January 31, 2005 Posted January 31, 2005 JimBob, I'm a little confused by your reply. I understand the concept you're stating, but I don't understand what it is you are applying it to in this topic. Is it a reply to something Shane said, or to something else someone said in this thread? Would you please clarify? I am trying to understand where you stand on this subject. Are you trying to say that you believe people are homosexual because they are at enmity to God? Do you think they have to become heterosexual before God can save them? Is that what you are trying to say? Or am I totally missing your point? Maybe I'm just too tired to "get" the obvious. This topic tends to make me tired. Quote Catherine God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever. Psalm 73:26. "To be a Christian means to forgive the inexcusable, because God has forgiven the inexcusable in you." -- C. S. Lewis
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