Specter switches parties, breakthrough to 60 for Dems in sight

[Neil D]

What difference will it make?

Not ONE iota!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe...maybe not....but of all the Republicans who supported the funding of the bailout, Specter was one of 4 who sided with the funding bill....Most of the progressive outlets were saying that Spector was a MODERATE Republican...If the MODERATE Republican is being pushed out of the party, and all that is left is extreemist Conservative Republicans, you might see the demise of the Republican party in general...

Interestingly, dems are saying that they need /want a 2 party system. They need a different party to run against....Perhaps our SDA prophetic revelations class need to look again at the prophetic writtings to see if last day events need a ONE party system......Which only goes to show, we can not sustain a two party system because of competition....or that need to win, by hook or by crook...

[Neil D]

Think back to Reagan, he was a real conservative. Since Reagan the republicans have been moving to the left. Bush was not a conservative. I am glad he was president when we got hit at 9/11 but as far as fiscal responsibility,he didn't have it.

Oooh, brother...are you real, Bonnie? Republicans moving to the left???? You ARE joking, right? 'Cus you are looking pretty stupid or are soooooo far right, that ANYTHING/EVERYTHING looks left to you....making you an extreemist, even for an conservative SDA....

On second thought, don't answer anything here....it's not worth the board going thru another war....

[Neil D]

I don't think I said the country as a whole was moving to the left, although I did say it was moving in the opposite direction to the Republicans. What I meant was that the Republicans are rushing further to the right, but on most of the social conservative wedge issues that they have been using, such as abortion, gay marriage and so on, younger people are closer to the Democrat position than older people, so over time the country is moving that way. I'm not making a value judgement about that - I think one of those moves makes sense and the other is very bad indeed - but rather a political judgement: the Republican party is moving in a direction that will lead it to struggle to win office.

Um, I am not sure if your post was really directed to me....cuz everything that you have stated here, I would pretty much agree with...Perhaps you meant this to Shane,...as mine were in reply to him....

From what I am hearing, the country is more independant that moving in toward the progressive platforms...As for Republicans 'moving to the right', ..I am not so sure that there is a moving to the right as that the moderates are leaving the republicans and moving to be independants. What's left in that cesspool is extreemists....which cause more and more moderates to leave....See news storys of Arlan Specter...and Rush Limbaugh's rants of late...

[Bravus]

- what is with this parsing of who a post is directed to. Maybe I need to use jasd's 'QR Frame' tag; unless I specifically direct a post to a person, please assume it's to the thread and the board as a whole.

[Bravus]

But yes, I agree, I don't think it's so much individual Republicans moving to the right as the party pushing, or them jumping, all the moderates, which moves the *average* position of the party to the right.

[Neil D]

My bad...and my appologies....

Maybe when a post is for the general board, perhaps a "GP" should introduce the post..."GP"= General Post and means that the post is to no one individual in perticular, regardless of who it is in reply to....

Just a suggestion...

[bonnie]

Originally Posted By: bonnie

Think back to Reagan, he was a real conservative. Since Reagan the republicans have been moving to the left. Bush was not a conservative. I am glad he was president when we got hit at 9/11 but as far as fiscal responsibility,he didn't have it.

Oooh, brother...are you real, Bonnie? Republicans moving to the left???? You ARE joking, right? 'Cus you are looking pretty stupid or are soooooo far right, that ANYTHING/EVERYTHING looks left to you....making you an extreemist, even for an conservative SDA....

On second thought, don't answer anything here....it's not worth the board going thru another war....

Excuse me Neil but would rather look stupid than to have the IQ you are dealing with.

The republicans are not the conservative party in many area's as they were. They have learned the art of spending like a drunken democrat. Yes, the republican party except for a few have moved left.

Republicans have several in name only,kind of like the SDA church or any other.

If you didn't want a war you wouldn't address some as you just did. Try a little honesty.

It will be interesting as time goes to see how fast we can slide in to total socialism.

It has to come it is only a question of when.

The government has to control the economy along with other important aspects or the end time events simply cannot take place. You cannot persecute and control a large number of people with out some of this being put into place.

It needs to be global as well, we are not to far from that.

I believe end time events are something that will happen. Many don't seem to. Or as you said, it will not happen on Obama's watch .I don't believe God has called you aside and whispered in your ear when this will happen or who will be in control.

Next year,ten years. Really doesn't matter,some things will take place and cannot till their is universal control

[bonnie]

But yes, I agree, I don't think it's so much individual Republicans moving to the right as the party pushing, or them jumping, all the moderates, which moves the *average* position of the party to the right.

The reason so many conservatives are disgusted with republicans

is because there is very little difference in the two at this time.

[Neil D]

Originally Posted By: Neil D

Oooh, brother...are you real, Bonnie? Republicans moving to the left???? You ARE joking, right? 'Cus you are looking pretty stupid or are soooooo far right, that ANYTHING/EVERYTHING looks left to you....making you an extreemist, even for an conservative SDA....

On second thought, don't answer anything here....it's not worth the board going thru another war....

Excuse me Neil but would rather look stupid than to have the IQ you are dealing with.[/quote']

I warned you, Bonnie girl...

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The republicans are not the conservative party in many area's as they were. They have learned the art of spending like a drunken democrat. Yes, the republican party except for a few have moved left.

First off, if spending is a dem problem, then you need to look at what has happened lately....Last 8 years the republican have pretty much had control of the purse strings of the congress....and THEY gave us the current deficit to which the dems have to spend to save the economy....But you knew that, did'nt you...So why the absolutely stupid and unrealistic remark about the spending like a "drunken democrate"? It can't be because you are one of those conservative SDAs who are unrealistic and have stupid mythical SDA values that tend to be unchristian in behavior? Kinda looks like it.

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Republicans have several in name only,kind of like the SDA church or any other.

If you didn't want a war you wouldn't address some as you just did. Try a little honesty.

Oh, I did do the honesty statement...You just can't handle the truth.

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It will be interesting as time goes to see how fast we can slide in to total socialism.

It has to come it is only a question of when.

Ah, the anti christian SDA mythical philosophy comes out......Sad...very sad.

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The government has to control the economy along with other important aspects or the end time events simply cannot take place. You cannot persecute and control a large number of people with out some of this being put into place.

It needs to be global as well, we are not to far from that.

The problem with that is that you are looking at another deception. It's another eden deception whereby mankind is decieved....And the controvery is not about deception, but in choices...and choosing allegences....Deception is what got us into the controversy, deception is what keeps us here. There needs to be clear choices. What you are proposeing is what keeps mankind in this controversy...Of course, you understand this....then again, maybe you can't see the forest for the trees....Most of your ilk can't see that....

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I believe end time events are something that will happen. Many don't seem to. Or as you said, it will not happen on Obama's watch .I don't believe God has called you aside and whispered in your ear when this will happen or who will be in control.

Next year,ten years. Really doesn't matter,some things will take place and cannot till their is universal control

I never said that I was a prophet...But I certainly can't help those who are stubbornly stupid....

[Dr. Shane]

It all comes down to the economy. If the Democrats do good with the economy they will continue to be elected to power. If they are unable to turn things around or if the economy picks up and inflation runs out of control, they are likely to be very susceptible in future elections. Democrats won by default. The country is strongly divided on ideology. Spector's move was just to protect his own skin because the GOP is becoming more conservative and he stands to lose in the Republican primary.

[bonnie]

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I warned you, Bonnie girl...

Oh Wow,Neil boy,is this the best you can do????

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First off, if spending is a dem problem, then you need to look at what has happened lately....Last 8 years the republican have pretty much had control of the purse strings of the congress....and THEY gave us the current deficit to which the dems have to spend to save the economy....But you knew that, did'nt you...So why the absolutely stupid and unrealistic remark about the spending like a "drunken democrate"? It can't be because you are one of those conservative SDAs who are unrealistic and have stupid mythical SDA values that tend to be unchristian in behavior? Kinda looks like it.

Of where to start with this? The current deficit with all Obama's bailouts is Obama's. Bush is responsible for his own,just as Obama is. Most economists have told this man "Bad idea"

Democrats traditionally are the ones of higher and higher taxes and spending money we don't have.

If you had not been so anxious to show what a loving liberal you are you might have noticed I said that. Republicans have become as proficient at spending money as democrats.

If my conservative SDA values are stupid and mythical,I can accept that easily enough.

When we speak of unchristian,take a look at your posts to me and then mine to you.

Whether you believe in end time events as warned biblically,as a liberal you should be able to accept mine. Isn't that what being a liberal is all about?

Doesn't a liberal except any and all beliefs as valid.

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Oh, I did do the honesty statement...You just can't handle the truth.

What is it I can't handle? You mean if you speak I am to verbally genuflect? You still have a very inflated view of your own opinion

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The problem with that is that you are looking at another deception. It's another eden deception whereby mankind is decieved....And the controvery is not about deception, but in choices...and choosing allegences....Deception is what got us into the controversy, deception is what keeps us here. There needs to be clear choices. What you are proposeing is what keeps mankind in this controversy...Of course, you understand this....then again, maybe you can't see the forest for the trees....Most of your ilk can't see that....

I am glad we have you at the helm explaining this.

We have clear choices and along with that we can choose the wrong path.

Of course it is possible you mean that we all get into lockstep behind Obama and hasten the end.

Sorry most of my ilk believe the bible version,not you, as to what will take place. Bummer isn't it?

But aside from that not exactly sure what I proposed that has made you so rude. Oh well,I am sure you will figure it out and explain.

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I never said that I was a prophet...But I certainly can't help those who are stubbornly stupid....

You are right, you can not help anyone that believes the biblical version of bible prophecy over Neil's version.

You never stated outright you were a prophet but took the prophet's role when you stated end time events could not occur the next eight years.

Again you are among the many that bow the knee to Obama's actions embracing the very actions that will bring about end time events,whether him ,tomorrow,ten years from now,twenty years from mow.Unlike you I do not know that it is eight years down the road.I don't know how far down the road, I do know it will happen and we have been given enough to make our choices. Some will choose to follow a man. Nothing new about that I only know what Daniel and Rev. spell out quite clearly if you do some in depth reading.

[bonnie]

I do believe that more and more we will lose our rights in this country. I do believe it has to be someone greatly admired and followed to be able to achieve that with permission from the citizens of the US. It has to be for "our own good",or most will not fall in behind.

The federal government will have to be able to target US citizens that do not fall into line. Obama has already shown just how easy this is. Especially how easy it is for people to not only accept but to cheer on this behavior.

It has to be global as there will be no place to hide. The economy and the ability to buy or sell will have to be in the hands of the government.

Whether that is Obama or someone else no one knows. What should be clear at this point is how easy a free country can fall into line.

We cannot prevent,but I somehow I don't think we are to idolize and promote actions as good that are taking us down this path

[Woody]

Yes. I agree. We are already seeing the Obama Admin authorizing the torture of pastors on the border and the citizens of New York.

[bonnie]

Yes. I agree. We are already seeing the Obama Admin authorizing the torture of pastors on the border and the citizens of New York.

It may be a joke to you and others. You certainly have a right not to take bible prophesy the way I do or any other conservative out there.

Not to quick to believe the pastor torture bit as laid out in the other forum. It will come in time and those that see the biblical account as something funny or used to degrade another will likely be in the camp of saying "Not time Yet" with Christ in the clouds

[olger]

Geelan saith

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Clearly the party is going to move even further to the right, if the attitude of those here - purge anyone who is not far to the right - is any indication.

Olger says "Thanks" !! That's me all right.

However, I feel compelled to remind you that olger is an independent and has only voted twice in his illustrious career. He voted against Kerry and against the Hussein fellow.

regards,

og

[Neil D]

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First off, if spending is a dem problem, then you need to look at what has happened lately....Last 8 years the republican have pretty much had control of the purse strings of the congress....and THEY gave us the current deficit to which the dems have to spend to save the economy....But you knew that, did'nt you...So why the absolutely stupid and unrealistic remark about the spending like a "drunken democrate"? It can't be because you are one of those conservative SDAs who are unrealistic and have stupid mythical SDA values that tend to be unchristian in behavior? Kinda looks like it.

Of where to start with this? The current deficit with all Obama's bailouts is Obama's. Bush is responsible for his own,just as Obama is. Most economists have told this man "Bad idea"

Democrats traditionally are the ones of higher and higher taxes and spending money we don't have.

If you had not been so anxious to show what a loving liberal you are you might have noticed I said that. Republicans have become as proficient at spending money as democrats.

[bonnie]

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Denial of truth, Bonnie, doesn't make it fact. Bush started this, thru his ineppitude. Oh, he tried very weakly and mentioned a few problems [i will give that to him], but as for real leadership and a goal to stear toward in protecting the common man, he was a loser. His buying into the Texas Rangers [?] baseball should show his prowess as a business manager...and in case you don't remember it, he sold it off for less than what he bought it for...and they didn't make much in the way of money while he had it. In fact, he failed miserably. ..Kinda like what he did to the US, dontcha think?

I couldn't care less what he did with the Texas Rangers.

The failure of Bush as a conservative in spending was miserable. Never said any different so don't know why you beat that horse.

What he tried weakly and I agree it could have been far more forceful concerning Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae. Shot down by the Barney Frank and friends

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As for that crack about dems taxing and spending more than the Repubs, you need to look again on whose watch these 'traditional' views are occuring.Especially these last 20 years. Daddy Bush raisedl taxes, in case you don't remember, with his mantra "Read my lips. No new taxes." and then caved into congressional pressures that the budget wasn't able to be balanced without new taxes. And Daddy Bush's son, managed to create the biggest deficit in US history. Hmmmmm....do we see a president here? Must run in the family...screwing the common man...Looking out for cronies....

Daddy Bush should be praised in your circles for raising taxes.

Better check where the deficit is heading now.

But I do believe I have already said it has been sometime since a conservative president was in the white house

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As for "Most economists ", I just don't know who you are refering to....Because the reports out of mainline news sources, including those that FauxNews [until it suits thier purposes]and universities economic professors [who are republican AND Democratic advisors] are asking for, even now, INCREASED spending to get us out of the current situation. As it is,100 days into the Obama administration, we have SLOWED the staunch bleeding of the ecomonic job losses, and there have been signs of a better tomorrow [something that 100 days ago didn't look feasible, let alone possible]. Hope does spring eternal though...As for those ecomonic people who are saying that it is a bad idea, I too have seen snake oil salespersons from FauxNews. Sensationalism is thier pitch and economic disaster is thier end goal. Something I am sure that will bring about the destruction of the US, and the world...A view that you are sure to embrace.

Sorry you haven't heard the economists. Nothing has been staunched. Unemployment keeps rising,money keeps being spent and nothing happens.

The answer is not to keep spending but to quit spending.

Government cannot creat demand,a product or business. The only thing government can do is take and take and shuffle the money

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Yes, let's go over those unchristian like posts of yours....most times made without my provocation,but no longer...You have a history, Bonnie, and I only intervined when YOU broke netettique rules...and you are still breaking them...Your posts permiate with negativity that you can see no positive redeeming attribute in anything.Which begs the question- Why are you even here? Most here are postitive people who are trying to find hope....You post no hope...at least, none for any but yourself and are highly critical of everything, from the current administration to our church...Seems rather selfish to me...

Now that is better. The tolerant loving liberal,knew it was in there somewhere

It is a very good thing that you have been elected to intervene.

I broke no rules. I have no positive attitude towards Obama and what he is doing.I see nothing redeeming about Obama. You are itght,when most here are speaking of Obama they ooze approval,if not Obama, then as negative as can get. Why would I need to express hope with a man I think is dragging the US to socialism. You may want a socialist country but that does not mean all do.

As to the church. No Neil that is not a mistake,it is a lie on your part.

One area of neglect and not doing what they have needed to do has been my objection.

There are many here that cannot make any positive statement regarding the church. Every other church or religion does it better. That belongs in your camp.

The current administration offers no hope as far as many of us can see. Just as you are incapable of anything positive and never offered hope when Bush held office

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Hmmmm...I have criticised your posts and behavior, and you attribute my motives. I didn't know that you have the ability to decern my motives thru mind reading...Isn't that a God-like attribute that you are taking on?Isn't that what the origional problem that got Adam and Eve in trouble? Are you perpetuating the origional problem....AGAIN?!?!Honestly, Bonnie, I thought with all your studying that you would at least attempt to get past that problem.....Seems like you are till rutted in the same festering problems..

Unless your understanding of the Gospel moves you to rethink things, you seem fated to remain in the same rutted thinking that has gotten us into this problem..

I reserve the same right you are exhibiting with this post and the previous. Still rutted in a belief of bible prophecy??

I certainly am and shall always be.

Are you exhibiting a god like attitude in determining if I do not move to rethink along your lines.

God doesn't change.

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First off, YOU are the rude one. Second, your negitive postings is just amazingly stupid, ...as usual.. Third, regarding Biblical understanding of last day events...it amazes me that we SDAs have this understanding of last day events and we treat the devil like he doesn't understand it or is compelled to do what is proscribed of last day events. I believe that the devil is of free thinking in nature, and is consistantly choosing against Jesus. The only way that the devil can survive and prolong his survival is to keep mankind decieved/propose last day events as something that he MUST do [iOWs, his goals are the same, but he 'can not change his battle plans'-that is an error of SDA philosophical thought]...

Rude to you is not agreeing with Neil. I have not been rude to you

Amazing. Then we should probably scrap any counsel,advice,warning given in the bible. No thanks Neil.

I believe that in giving us guideposts along the way God would be able to anticipate and not give us false counsel. Sorry that you have reduced God and his ability to your own level.

I don't think you make a great teacher in the error of SDA philosophical thought]...

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AND especially, those who simply refuse to understand God's leading in the first place, let alone all the other nuances of God's plans and revealings....

....oh, as for MY version of the bible, ...I didn't know I had a version of the bible.Oh, wait, I know of the Douay Bible, but my last name is different than that...and not the same anyways....

Amazing,truly amazing. Someone as yourself know who has accepted God's leading and who hasn't. What a special place you hold in your own mind. You understand all the nuances of God's plan.

I don't think God has left last day events to nuances.

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The bible says to study to show yourself approved....You can not show your understanding of last day events...What makes you a credible resource?

In your lofty perch do you know who has studied and who has not. Who is approved by God and who isn't.

My bible and God is credible. Maybe you need to straighten him out.

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As for that crack about my taking on the prophetic role of when things will happen....I make NO SUCH CLAIM...I only know that we currently have a crisis, brought about by a republican president who was inept in leadership. And our current leadership is using God given methods to help recover our economy and is taking responsiblity for his actions...and appears to be doing a good j

Unless you have edited it,yes you did say "end time events would not take place the next eight years".

God given??? Amazing really doesn't even begin to cover it. The bible speaks against debt. It does not speak about spending and then more spending as the way out of debt.

The bible does not indicate pretense and lies are part of God's plan. Nor do I believe socailism is God's plan for this country. I believe the US had a place in bible prophesy . It was unique and would allow freedoms not previously given.

To you that may mean socialism,it doesn't to many others.

I will take bible guidance long before your somewhat revised version.

[bonnie]

Neil,

You may want to post the correct gospel understanding.

It is obvious you believe you know and those not agreeing with you are less than you.

I think it would be helpful,it would separate those from the unsaved,those refusing to listen and staying in that outdated biblical rut

[Neil D]

Neil,

You may want to post the correct gospel understanding.

It is obvious you believe you know and those not agreeing with you are less than you.

I think it would be helpful,it would separate those from the unsaved,those refusing to listen and staying in that outdated biblical rut

"Less than you"..?

What exactly does this mean? Are you saying that I talk down to people?

In your case, you need that talking down...You have been very haunty, rude to me on many an occassion, even when I have been very nice toward you....And I still get the "you stink, Neil" posts. Such rudeness needs to be called for what it is... an undermining of the process of building internet relationships... A plain unfriendliness, even outright hostility FOR NO APPARENT REASON.

If you got rudenss from me, [and, I admit, you have] you had better check your message that I was replying to....your bad manners were plain...in every case.So remember, YOU started it. Your sassiness was a glaring example of what not to do in attempting to build internet relationships. Your distain of various progressives is a shining example of what NOT to be as an adventist.

Your mistatments are only used to attract attention toward yourself....Guess what? I ain't interested in satisfying your need for dysfuctional relationships....I've enough of them in my own life...Don't need that at all and definately don't need to add to the dysfunctional relationships of the world.....

[bonnie]

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"Less than you"..?

What exactly does this mean? Are you saying that I talk down to people?

In your case, you need that talking down

I am happy you have been elected.

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...You have been very haunty, rude to me on many an occassion, even when I have been very nice toward you....And I still get the "you stink, Neil" posts. Such rudeness needs to be called for what it is... an undermining of the process of building internet relationships... A plain unfriendliness, even outright hostility FOR NO APPARENT REASON.

I guess I missed the "very nice'. Please don't insert your words to what I said. I care little if you stink or not. I do not care to build a internet relationship with you. And if you can come forth with a little honesty you can say the same concerning me. To me that is preferable to pretense.

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If you got rudenss from me, [and, I admit, you have] you had better check your message that I was replying to....your bad manners were plain...in every case.So remember, YOU started it. Your sassiness was a glaring example of what not to do in attempting to build internet relationships. Your distain of various progressives is a shining example of what NOT to be as an adventist.

I do not,I repeat wish to build a internet relationship with you. I quit playing pretend games when I was a kid.

My distain for progressives?? Glad it is obvious. God's law,his words never change or have the need to become progressive to keep up with the ever changing religion of some adventists.

I don't think you really realise what you said with this......

various progressives is a shining example of what NOT to be as an adventist. But I am glad that came from you

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Your mistatments are only used to attract attention toward yourself....Guess what? I ain't interested in satisfying your need for dysfuctional relationships....I've enough of them in my own life...Don't need that at all and definately don't need to add to the dysfunctional relationships of the world.....

If you have dysfunctional relationships in your family or friends,maybe examine yourself. Unless of course you are the only functional one with everyone else being dysfunctional.

I really am glad you are not interested in a dysfunctional relationship.

I have a excellent relationship with husband,sons,DIL's and grandchildren so really have no use for your dysfunction.

I am not at all interested in pursuing a new,improved,progressive adventism.

I trust God to be the same down thru the ages . Man likes to drag him down to their level so they can sound ever so righteous.

My dad was a man of superior intelligence,over 140. As important or maybe more so,he had common sense to match. He always cautioned us to approach with care anyone that had a new understanding. It usually meant a old sin was dressed up with a new look.

God would lead as long as you let him,when a frail human took the reins and tries to lead God in the new direction leave them to their own devices.

You may think you have a new understanding of last day events. Fine. I don't share it no matter how progressive you see yourself.

So can we settle this now?

I don't share your beliefs,I don't want any part of your dysfunctional relationships,I do not have a desire to be lumped with progressives.

You want no part of what I believe to be true. So where is the problem??

[Dr. Shane]

In your case, you need that talking down...

Wow!

[Bravus]

Maybe you two could get a (PM) room?

[Neil D]

I couldn't care less what he did with the Texas Rangers.

The failure of Bush as a conservative in spending was miserable. Never said any different so don't know why you beat that horse.

What he tried weakly and I agree it could have been far more forceful concerning Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae. Shot down by the Barney Frank and friends

[bonnie]

Originally Posted By: bonnie

I couldn't care less what he did with the Texas Rangers.

The failure of Bush as a conservative in spending was miserable. Never said any different so don't know why you beat that horse.

What he tried weakly and I agree it could have been far more forceful concerning Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae. Shot down by the Barney Frank and friends

It may have been "shot down by Barney and friends", but Bush is the leader. He is the one that sets the bar. It was his responsiblity to keep that bar high....and he screwed it up majorly. And his past performance was a major indicator of current performance...He was going to give up just as he did with all his other jobs...as a oil producer and as a busness manager of a sports organization. The buck stops at the White House.

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Sorry you haven't heard the economists. Nothing has been staunched. Unemployment keeps rising,money keeps being spent and nothing happens.

The answer is not to keep spending but to quit spending.

Government cannot creat demand,a product or business. The only thing government can do is take and take and shuffle the money

Nothing staunched??? Sorry, we are approaching bottom...And as for "unemployment keeps rising", unemployment is one of the last indicators of economic recovery...Of course, those who understand ecomonics know this....And if you are hearing that nothing is happening to slow it, it only goes to show just how bad Bush made a mistake in his economic policys....The right either has no idea, or is chumming the waters for sharks....[in case you don't know what "chumming" is, that is where you throw out dead bodies of other fish/animmals/blood to attract sharks]

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I broke no rules. I have no positive attitude towards Obama and what he is doing.I see nothing redeeming about Obama. You are itght,when most here are speaking of Obama they ooze approval,if not Obama, then as negative as can get. Why would I need to express hope with a man I think is dragging the US to socialism. You may want a socialist country but that does not mean all do.

Regarding the breaking of rules...You broke netettique rules...you trolled...and all trollers are at least rude and disruptive of honest discussion...And your posts have to be heard and if they are not, you made sure they were heard with outragious statements. Concider the current accusation on your part in the above paragraph...Obama is "dragging the US to socialism". Our govermenet was set up such that it is the guarentee of the ecomomy...It is not socialism, but rather, it is the safety net set up by our goverment....but you seem to think it that there was no safety net set up by our goveremnt....Your loss of understanding...

I reserve the same right you are exhibiting with this post and the previous. Still rutted in a belief of bible prophecy??

I certainly am and shall always be.

Are you exhibiting a god like attitude in determining if I do not move to rethink along your lines.

God doesn't change.

Originally Posted By: bonnie

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The bible says to study to show yourself approved....You can not show your understanding of last day events...What makes you a credible resource?

In your lofty perch do you know who has studied and who has not. Who is approved by God and who isn't.My bible and God is credible. Maybe you need to straighten him out.

"In my lofty perch", I don't want to know who has studied and who has not, particularly if it involves one's salvation...but for those who are establishing fact, I do request chapter and page...You either can not or will not show...which goes to your credibility.

And by evidence via the lack of posts, you have no evidence...therefore you have no credibility.

Originally Posted By: bonnie

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As for that crack about my taking on the prophetic role of when things will happen....I make NO SUCH CLAIM...I only know that we currently have a crisis, brought about by a republican president who was inept in leadership. And our current leadership is using God given methods to help recover our economy and is taking responsiblity for his actions...and appears to be doing a good job

Unless you have edited it,yes you did say "end time events would not take place the next eight years".

God given??? Amazing really doesn't even begin to cover it. The bible speaks against debt. It does not speak about spending and then more spending as the way out of debt.

The bible does not indicate pretense and lies are part of God's plan. Nor do I believe socailism is God's plan for this country. I believe the US had a place in bible prophesy . It was unique and would allow freedoms not previously given.

To you that may mean socialism,it doesn't to many others.

I will take bible guidance long before your somewhat revised version.

No evidence from the bible nor from the red books nor post from what I supposedly said. Context is everything...you have posted nothing but make assurtions/accusations...No evidence=no credibility .nuff said.

Thank goodness,Enough said,can you stick to that now

[Neil D]

I guess I missed the "very nice'. Please don't insert your words to what I said. I care little if you stink or not. I do not care to build a internet relationship with you. And if you can come forth with a little honesty you can say the same concerning me. To me that is preferable to pretense.