Was the resurrection on the Sabbath?

[Daniel1632]

I believe the resurrection was on the first sabbath after Passover, and that the "first day of the week" passages really say "first of the Sabbaths" (cf. Lev. 23:15)

Matthew 28:1 opse de sabbatwv = Later of the Sabbaths

John 20:1 mia twv sabbatwv = first of the Sabbaths.

What say ye?

Here is a chart to illustrate:

[Gerr]

Not what I say but what does the Bible say?

As to when He died:

"This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then he took it down and wrapped it in a linen shroud and laid him in a tomb cut in stone, where no one had ever yet been laid. It was the day of Preparation, and the Sabbath was beginning." Lk 23:53,54.

As to when He arose:

"Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb." Jn 20:1 ESV

"Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb. And behold, there was a great earthquake, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled back the stone and sat on it." Mt 28:1,2 ESV.

[Haldog]

Got the day of crucifixion right but missed the day he arose.

[John317]

mia twv sabbatwv= first day of the week

See Didache, paragraph #8. (Dated between 50 and 150 A.D.)

This source helps to prove beyond any doubt that

deutera sabbatwn= Monday, the second day of the week.

J.B. Lightfoot's translation: 8:1 And let not your fastings be with the hypocrites, for they fast on the second and the fifth day of the week;

8:2 but do ye keep your fast on the fourth and on the preparation (the sixth) day.

Kirsopp Lake's Translation:1 Let not your fasts be with the hypocrites, for they fast on Mondays and Thursdays, but do you fast on Wednesdays and Fridays.

They fast - second sabbath and

nhsteusousi gar deutera sabbatwn kai

fifth; you (rather) fast (ye) [on the] fourth and preparation [day before sabbath].

pempth, umeiv de nhsteusate tetrada kai paraskeuhn.

It will be seen that "second sabbath" [deutera sabbatwn] means the second day of the week, or Monday. The fifth day of the week is Thursday. The fourth day of the week is of course Wednesday, and "preparation" is Friday, the preparation day, since that is the day on which we prepare for the Sabbath of the Lord our God.

One reason virtually all translations read "first day of the week" is that this is the correct reading.

Out of 67 translations, only 3 read "sabbaths" in place of "week" at John 20: 1, and two of those were translated by Jay P. Green. His King James II translation reads, "first day of the week" at Matt. 28: 1 and Acts 20: 7, yet the same words at John 10: 1 have been translated as "the first of the sabbaths." This alone shows that Green is unreliable when it comes to translating this phrase.

[Woody]

Excuse me for not reading the entire thread. But I believe that Christ could have risen on Saturday. Granted .... it was AFTER Sabbath and towards the first day of the week. But if we consider midnight as the drawing line ... we just don't know which day He rose from the grave. I don't believe the Bible tell us?

Am I wrong?

[John317]

Excuse me for not reading the entire thread. But I believe that Christ could have risen on Saturday. Granted .... it was AFTER Sabbath and towards the first day of the week. But if we consider midnight as the drawing line ... we just don't know which day He rose from the grave. I don't believe the Bible tell us?

Am I wrong?

I believe the evidence is that Jesus was raised early on the morning of the first day. At least we know it was before the sun rose on the first day of the week.

Here is Ellen White's comment in Desire of Ages--

The night of the first day of the week had worn slowly away. The darkest hour, just before daybreak, had come. Christ was still a prisoner in His narrow tomb. The great stone was in its place; the Roman seal was unbroken; the Roman guards were keeping their watch. And there were unseen watchers. Hosts of evil angels were gathered about the place. Had it been possible, the prince of darkness with his apostate army would have kept forever sealed the tomb that held the Son of God. But a heavenly host surrounded the sepulcher. Angels that excel in strength were guarding the tomb, and waiting to welcome the Prince of life.

"And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven." Clothed with the panoply of God, this angel left the heavenly courts. The bright beams of God's glory went before him, and illuminated his pathway. "His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: and for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men." DA 779

[Woody]

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The night of the first day of the week had worn slowly away.

Thanks John but what does this mean?

[Gerr]

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The night of the first day of the week had worn slowly away.

Thanks John but what does this mean?

When the light of the sun disappeared from view the Sabbath AFTER the crucifixion, that was the beginning of Sunday, according to Biblical reckoning. If Jesus was resurrected on Sabbath, it would have taken place BEFORE the sun went down on Sabbath. It clearly says he arose on the first day of the week and was crucified on Friday, the preparation day.

[Gerr]

Got the day of crucifixion right but missed the day he arose.

Huh?

[Woody]

Originally Posted By: Redwood

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The night of the first day of the week had worn slowly away.

Thanks John but what does this mean?

When the light of the sun disappeared from view the Sabbath AFTER the crucifixion, that was the beginning of Sunday, according to Biblical reckoning. If Jesus was resurrected on Sabbath, it would have taken place BEFORE the sun went down on Sabbath. It clearly says he arose on the first day of the week and was crucified on Friday, the preparation day.

I'm not saying he rose on the Sabbath. The questions is: Was it before or after midnight.

[John317]

Originally Posted By: Gerry Cabalo

When the light of the sun disappeared from view the Sabbath AFTER the crucifixion' date=' that was the beginning of Sunday, according to Biblical reckoning. If Jesus was resurrected on Sabbath, it would have taken place BEFORE the sun went down on Sabbath. It clearly says he arose on the first day of the week and was crucified on Friday, the preparation day.

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I'm not saying he rose on the Sabbath. The questions is: Was it before or after midnight.

Ellen White clearly wrote that the first day had already begun when He was resurrected. Notice she says Christ was still in the tomb just before daybreak on Sunday morning.

Ellen White said that she was shown visions of what happened. What she said about the timing of these events harmonizes with the Bible record. Matt. 28: 1-8 indicates that the resurrection took place a short time before the women arrived at the tomb just as it began to dawn.

[Daniel1632]

HEY DANIEL1632

WHY would GOD the FATHER raise JESUS on Sabbath???

from the beginning GOD SAID we are to rest on HIS HOLY DAY

that HE (GOD) blessed and sanctified...

it makes no sense

my thinking on this topic

dgrimm60

You've forgotten that Yeshua did healings on the Sabbath.

[Daniel1632]

[My answers in brackets]

Not what I say but what does the Bible say?

As to when He died:

"This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then he took it down and wrapped it in a linen shroud and laid him in a tomb cut in stone, where no one had ever yet been laid. It was the day of Preparation, and the Sabbath was beginning." Lk 23:53,54.

[Did you notice that there is an annual Passover Sabbath with an annual preparation in the Chart above?]

As to when He arose:

"Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb." Jn 20:1 ESV

[Why don't you address my point that this is a mistranslation?]

"Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb. And behold, there was a great earthquake, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled back the stone and sat on it." Mt 28:1,2 ESV.

[=And the later of the sabbaths .... ]

[Daniel1632]

mia twv sabbatwv= first day of the week

See Didache, paragraph #8. (Dated between 50 and 150 A.D.)

This source helps to prove beyond any doubt that

deutera sabbatwn= Monday, the second day of the week.

J.B. Lightfoot's translation: 8:1 And let not your fastings be with the hypocrites, for they fast on the second and the fifth day of the week;

8:2 but do ye keep your fast on the fourth and on the preparation (the sixth) day.

Kirsopp Lake's Translation:1 Let not your fasts be with the hypocrites, for they fast on Mondays and Thursdays, but do you fast on Wednesdays and Fridays.

They fast - second sabbath and

nhsteusousi gar deutera sabbatwn kai

fifth; you (rather) fast (ye) [on the] fourth and preparation [day before sabbath].

pempth, umeiv de nhsteusate tetrada kai paraskeuhn.

It will be seen that "second sabbath" [deutera sabbatwn] means the second day of the week, or Monday. The fifth day of the week is Thursday. The fourth day of the week is of course Wednesday, and "preparation" is Friday, the preparation day, since that is the day on which we prepare for the Sabbath of the Lord our God.

One reason virtually all translations read "first day of the week" is that this is the correct reading.

Out of 67 translations, only 3 read "sabbaths" in place of "week" at John 20: 1, and two of those were translated by Jay P. Green. His King James II translation reads, "first day of the week" at Matt. 28: 1 and Acts 20: 7, yet the same words at John 10: 1 have been translated as "the first of the sabbaths." This alone shows that Green is unreliable when it comes to translating this phrase.

Didache? (ca. 150 A.D.) --- only reflects what they believed. There were plenty of cults and sects by then. Ecclesiastical Greek is just circular reasoning. Please cite primary sources with no proto-catholic bias.

Translations prove nothing since they don't say what the Greek says.

[Daniel1632]

Excuse me for not reading the entire thread. But I believe that Christ could have risen on Saturday. Granted .... it was AFTER Sabbath and towards the first day of the week. But if we consider midnight as the drawing line ... we just don't know which day He rose from the grave. I don't believe the Bible tell us?

Am I wrong?

That's more in line with the Anchor Bible commentary on Matthew. More honest in my opinion than recitation of tradition. However, I provide a lot more info that will clear this up.

[Daniel1632]

Originally Posted By: Redwood

Excuse me for not reading the entire thread. But I believe that Christ could have risen on Saturday. Granted .... it was AFTER Sabbath and towards the first day of the week. But if we consider midnight as the drawing line ... we just don't know which day He rose from the grave. I don't believe the Bible tell us?

Am I wrong?

I believe the evidence is that Jesus was raised early on the morning of the first day. At least we know it was before the sun rose on the first day of the week.

Here is Ellen White's comment in Desire of Ages--

The night of the first day of the week had worn slowly away. The darkest hour, just before daybreak, had come. Christ was still a prisoner in His narrow tomb. The great stone was in its place; the Roman seal was unbroken; the Roman guards were keeping their watch. And there were unseen watchers. Hosts of evil angels were gathered about the place. Had it been possible, the prince of darkness with his apostate army would have kept forever sealed the tomb that held the Son of God. But a heavenly host surrounded the sepulcher. Angels that excel in strength were guarding the tomb, and waiting to welcome the Prince of life.

"And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven." Clothed with the panoply of God, this angel left the heavenly courts. The bright beams of God's glory went before him, and illuminated his pathway. "His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: and for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men." DA 779

Before the sun rose. It's worse than that:

YLT John 20:1 And on the first of the sabbaths, Mary the Magdalene doth come early (there being yet darkness) to the tomb, and she seeth the stone having been taken away out of the tomb,

Notice the darkness. This prophetic passage:

Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared at SHAKHAR; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

SHAKHAR = earliest dawn, or redish hint of light in the east. It was still night at the tomb because three days and three nights ends with the third night.

So Friday-Sunday isn't just missing a night. It's also missing the third day.

[phkrause]

I think what he means is, if you look at Genesis, it says sun down to down, for each day. So at about sun up Jesus arose, which by that reckoning, it was Sunday morning, but still the sun had not come up fulling yet. Hope this helps.

pk

[John317]

Originally Posted By: John317

mia twv sabbatwv= first day of the week

See Didache, paragraph #8. (Dated between 50 and 150 A.D.)

This source helps to prove beyond any doubt that

deutera sabbatwn= Monday, the second day of the week.

J.B. Lightfoot's translation: 8:1 And let not your fastings be with the hypocrites, for they fast on the second and the fifth day of the week;

8:2 but do ye keep your fast on the fourth and on the preparation (the sixth) day.

Kirsopp Lake's Translation:1 Let not your fasts be with the hypocrites, for they fast on Mondays and Thursdays, but do you fast on Wednesdays and Fridays.

They fast - second sabbath and

nhsteusousi gar deutera sabbatwn kai

fifth; you (rather) fast (ye) [on the] fourth and preparation [day before sabbath].

pempth, umeiv de nhsteusate tetrada kai paraskeuhn.

It will be seen that "second sabbath" [deutera sabbatwn] means the second day of the week, or Monday. The fifth day of the week is Thursday. The fourth day of the week is of course Wednesday, and "preparation" is Friday, the preparation day, since that is the day on which we prepare for the Sabbath of the Lord our God.

One reason virtually all translations read "first day of the week" is that this is the correct reading.

Out of 67 translations, only 3 read "sabbaths" in place of "week" at John 20: 1, and two of those were translated by Jay P. Green. His King James II translation reads, "first day of the week" at Matt. 28: 1 and Acts 20: 7, yet the same words at John 10: 1 have been translated as "the first of the sabbaths." This alone shows that Green is unreliable when it comes to translating this phrase.

Didache? (ca. 150 A.D.) --- only reflects what they believed. There were plenty of cults and sects by then. Ecclesiastical Greek is just circular reasoning. Please cite primary sources with no proto-catholic bias.

Translations prove nothing since they don't say what the Greek says.

Tradition and what those people believed has nothing to do with it.

The point is that the Didache proves that that is how the people in the first and second centuries referred to the days of the week. That is how they used the word sabbatwn. That is why virtually ALL the translations of the NT refer to the "first day of the week."

Lesson: pay attention to 60 translations. When they agree, there is a good reason for the agreement.

[Gerr]

Would you kindly show where a festival Sabbath is preceded by a day called Preparation day? It seems to me that designation is specific for Friday, the day before the 7th day Sabbath. That particular Sabbath that Jesus rested in the tomb was a "high" Sabbath because the Passover Sabbath coincided with the 7th-day Sabbath. The Passover is celebrated on the 14th day of the first month. Nisan 14 fell on Friday when Jesus died. So He could not have been crucified on Wed.

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As to when He arose:

"Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb." Jn 20:1 ESV

[Why don't you address my point that this is a mistranslation?][/quote

"Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb. And behold, there was a great earthquake, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled back the stone and sat on it." Mt 28:1,2 ESV.

[=And the later of the sabbaths .... ]

The 17 translations I consulted all without exception translated the passage, "on the first day of the week". Not being a Greek scholar, I have never known that "the week" was from "sabbaton". Thanks for pointing that out. However, according to Swanson in his "Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains: Greek (New Testament}, this could also refer to a seven day period, or week. He cites Lk 18:12 as an example, where "week" is translated from "sabbaton". If "sabbaton" there meant the 7th day Sabbath, it would not make sense for the Pharisee to say he fasted twice on Sabbath. He also cites Lev 23:15 to show that shabbat, depending on the context, also means a week.

It seems to me, the gospel writers would not make sense if they say, "now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first Sabbath...."

I heard Chuck Swindoll one time say that because of the 3 days and 3 nights statement, he believes (unless he has since changed his mind) that Jesus was crucified on Thursday (I think that's what I recall him say.

[TreeOfLife]

I believe the evidence is that Jesus was raised early on the morning of the first day. At least we know it was before the sun rose on the first day of the week.

Here is Ellen White's comment in Desire of Ages--

The night of the first day of the week had worn slowly away. The darkest hour, just before daybreak, had come. Christ was still a prisoner in His narrow tomb. The great stone was in its place; the Roman seal was unbroken; the Roman guards were keeping their watch. And there were unseen watchers. Hosts of evil angels were gathered about the place. Had it been possible, the prince of darkness with his apostate army would have kept forever sealed the tomb that held the Son of God. But a heavenly host surrounded the sepulcher. Angels that excel in strength were guarding the tomb, and waiting to welcome the Prince of life.

"And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven." Clothed with the panoply of God, this angel left the heavenly courts. The bright beams of God's glory went before him, and illuminated his pathway. "His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: and for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men." DA 779

[TreeOfLife]

I believe the resurrection was on the first sabbath after Passover, and that the "first day of the week" passages really say "first of the Sabbaths" (cf. Lev. 23:15)

Matthew 28:1 opse de sabbatwv = Later of the Sabbaths

John 20:1 mia twv sabbatwv = first of the Sabbaths.

What say ye?

Here is a chart to illustrate:

[TreeOfLife]

Ellen White said that she was shown visions of what happened. What she said about the timing of these events harmonizes with the Bible record…

Dear John 3:17,

Please provide the exact reference for the first of your two sentences above!

Shalom,

Tree of Life©

[minky]

Keep in mind that the days were eve to eve.... this is the text that backs up the first day ressurection, Luke 24:1-12 in addition "God would not break the sabbath...

I have found a christian apologetices web site that www.carm.org. on that site that shows the resurrection Chronology. It is very helpful for difficult questions....

Hope this helps

Minkyadoo

[APL]

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Here is a chart to illustrate:

The only problem I see with your chart, is when do you start the clock for Matt 12:40? You start the clock at the beginning of the day, not at the crucifixion. If you start the clock at the crucifixion, then Jesus would have risen as the weekly 7th day Sabbath ended at sunset.

Looking at the verses telling of the resurrection we read:

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(Mark 16:2 GSNT) Then very early on the first day of the week they went to the tomb, when the sun had just risen.

(Mark 16:9 GSNT) Now after he had risen, early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary of Magdala, from whom he had driven out seven evil spirits.

(Luke 24:1 GSNT) but on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they went to the tomb, taking spices they had prepared.

It was discovered he had risen at dawn. But he had already risen, and that at the close of the Sabbath.

So in summary, if the crucifixion was in AD31, Nissan 14 was on Wednesday (he was cut off in the middle of the week), He was put into the grave at sunset just as the High Sabbath started. He was in the grave Wednesday night, Thursday night, and Friday night. And as the 7th-Day Sabbath ended, he rose from the grave. So he spent 3 night in the grave, and Thursday day, Friday day, and Saturday day, 3 days in the grave.

[Woody]

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in addition "God would not break the sabbath

Could you explain this. I have often wondered what it means. The way I read it is rather alarming. Does it mean that getting out of bed is breaking the Sabbath?