Three angels logo

[Woody]

That helps me understand your position.

[Kountzer]

There's a prominent clotching line, Roca wear I believe it is, that has a logo very similar to the sda churches logo.

[BobRyan]

I am dissapointed that we lost the 3 Angels Logo. When I travelled that is how I knew which was the SDA Church. The new one reminds me of the Methodist logo.

I wonder why they thought they needed to change it?

I know this "anything but three angels" is not the direction the church should be going whose distinctive mission is to share the "everlasting Gospel" as it is proclaimed in the Three Angels messages.

in Christ,

Bob

[BobRyan]

There's a prominent clotching line, Roca wear I believe it is, that has a logo very similar to the sda churches logo.

Indeed. It has a sidways "w" that looks like the SDA flame.

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&am...le&resnum=1

in Christ,

Bob

[delta]

Let's watch and see, then start doing in PRACTICAL way. Learning from the SDA Churches around the world except from SDA in North America Division.....

....Yes, there are so many official SDA churches over there (outside NA Division) that always keep in touch and still using, producing and distributing the logo of the Three Angels--circling the globe by sounding their triumphants.

The new official SDA logo is used, however, for administration purpose only. (E.g.: @ head letter of church office, banner in front of the church buildings, baptismal certificates, etc)

That’s it. That’s what they do dealing with the official logo because they are the same worldwide SDA churches as you're the members and in whom they also belong to.

But as always, those non-American SDA churches make and use the real everlasting Three Angels logo for the busiest and most central activities such as public evangelism, Health Ministries, Pathfinders/Masterguide, Youth Camps, Musics, Bible studies, etc. By doing those kind of activities, then each SDA churches must need certain materials to be produced such as flyers, banners, uniforms, certificates, free pens and scratch paper, DVD/CD, flags, etc. Keep in mind that those spots or objects are the strategic places where the real Three Angels logo can perfectly be attached.

Those are the times when The Three Angels (logo) may reappears with the loud voice. Though in many cases people out there, in facts, calling us as a group of Christians with The Three Angels (messages) since this logo can produce the curiosity of others of what The Three Angels messages are all about—believe it or not.

Unfortunately the new official SDA logo shall not be able to catch their attention anything about The Three Angels. They can only see the generic art pics in the official SDA logo such as the open Bible, Cross and the flamed-earth. Well, of course nothing wrong with all of that! But....

Anyway, I forget which SDA church/school who made the largest Three Angels logo while they made a big program/seminar in their local areas.

This coming international pathfinder camporee in Oshkosh (mid Aug’09) you probably can see The Three Angels Logo in their flags, uniforms, bag packs or hats...and...yes, The Three Angels logo is now reappeared and brought back by the SDA youth outside North America because those average young people still have the pure heart of Adventism, respect and still aware how important The message of the Three Angels need to be proclaimed and also as a warning message to everyone soon before the close of probation and the second coming of Jesus!

Don’t get upset...ooh please don’t be angry with those young people when the real Three Angels logo appears in their hats, uniforms, flags, small alarm clocks (for exchange gifts or sale) or perhaps in their ties during the camporee.

Let’s loyally keep using the official SDA logo but for administration purpose only—as many non American SDA churches usually do.

[lazarus]

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The Three Angels logo is now reappeared and brought back by the SDA youth outside North America because those average young people still have the pure heart of Adventism

I don't think it ever went away. I think it may have something to do with the cost of purchasing new banners, signs etc with the new logo. Of course some people will like the tradition and familiarity of the new logo but I don't think it has much to do with their hearts.

I've been to a number of SDA outside the NAD a many have the new logo outside. I've seen the new logo on rural churches in Jamaica. I've seen it in Croatia, Spain and in the UK. I seen pictures of churches in Colombia and Kenya, India and various parts of Eastern Europe.

I have a huge steel three angels logo behind the screen in the worship area of our church. I love it. It's history and it would be every expensive to replace with the current logo. That's why its still there.

[Woody]

Some are stuck in the mud. This is sad.

I like the new logo. I prefer it in fact. I am not embarrassed about the Bible and the cross. I feel they SHOULD be central compared to three angels that might be considered witches.

I understand that non-NAD churches might want to use the old one and that is sad. Some churches in Africa have also called their churches the Obama SDA Church. So, I realize that their focus is misdirected.

[delta]

As I said earlier, all SDA churches around the globe now using the new official logo:

The new official SDA logo is used, however, for administration purpose only. (E.g.: @ head letter of church office, banner in front of the church buildings, baptismal certificates, etc)

That’s it. That’s what they do dealing with the official logo because they are the same worldwide SDA churches as you're the members and in whom they also belong to.

But at the same time, you can check by yourself that those non-American SDA churches make and use the real everlasting Three Angels logo for the busiest and most central activities such as public evangelism, Health Ministries, Pathfinders/Masterguide, Youth Camps, Musics, Bible studies, etc. By doing those kind of activities, then each SDA churches must need certain materials to be produced such as flyers, banners, uniforms, certificates, free pens and scratch paper, DVD/CD, flags, etc. Keep in mind that those spots or objects are the strategic places where the real Three Angels logo can perfectly be attached.

[delta]

A church with the Bible and the Cross does not necessarily has The Three Angels' Messages.

However, a Church with the genuine Three Angels' Messages in it should automatically having the Bible, Holy Spirit as well as the Cross for sure!

Every churches talking about The Bible.

Every churches talking about The Holy Spirit.

Every churches talking about The Cross.

But where is The Three Angels' Messages in their Bible, Holy Spirit and the Cross?

The closer we're coming toward the endtime, the less we're in need and to proclaim the Three Angels' Messages, right? or....?

I know more and more churches preaching only about happy gospel, entertainment Christian, Abundant living and "positive thinking Gospel"-so to speak; and attacking Christians which are preaching about rebuking, warning and preparing the world to be ready for the final conflics and then accusing them as "fanatics", "scare tactic politics" or perhaps as "hatred preaching".

[Stan]

I love seeing our logo on churches and institutions around this globe, it is a great identifier.

There was a lot of goofy talk about the logo and Jesuits etc in the past. The person who designed it is a multi-generation adventist and a friend of mine.

The goofy stuff need to stop.

[M. T. Cross]

Seems to me there is not a single subject that won't raise some kind of controversy. If it was not so sad it would be amusing to watch.

[BobRyan]

Since the three angels are no longer our logo ... I would stick with the new modern one.

I prefer the actual logo of the 3 angels. After all - Rev 14 and the 3 Angel's message is still said to be the mission of our church on our official website for this denomination.

And to my knowledge - there has never been a denominational vote to get rid of the 3 angels.

in Christ,

Bob

[BobRyan]

Let's watch and see, then start doing in PRACTICAL way. Learning from the SDA Churches around the world except from SDA in North America Division.....

....Yes, there are so many official SDA churches over there (outside NA Division) that always keep in touch and still using, producing and distributing the logo of the Three Angels--circling the globe by sounding their triumphants.

The new official SDA logo is used, however, for administration purpose only

The 3 angels with trumpets - gets used in my local church.

And I have seen them used in a lot of other SDA churches as well.

in Christ,

Bob

[Stan]

can you imagine if every SHELL service station had their own logo? Or if the logo had to be approved by every clerk or jockey that had?

How silly would that be..

The LOGO brands a company. or a Church..

do the math on that one..

[ClubV12]

Church history has been a big part of my studies since I became an Adventist, still is. But I have never looked into this "logo" business one way or the other. I DO agree with the designer though, study after study has concluded no matter WHAT you do with a design, some folks will hate it, literally hate it. Maybe they want the old one, maybe they just want changes to the new one, no way a designer can win that battle! Poor guy...

I like what you said about it Stan, that is consistent with any Church group and complaints about a logo, again, you can't win no matter what you do. Some people are going to see something others don't, point fingers, complain.

HOWEVER, I DO recall something about three angels used on an early Adventist 2,300 year chart, not approved by the denomination, and independant effort. James White and many other pioneers thought it was horrendous. They wanted it withdrawn immediately, cease and desist! It was along the lines of the three angels looking like ducks or horses or something of that nature. Unrecognizable. So that debate goes back a LONG time ago and is not completly without merit.

[Stan]

The three flames represent the three angels going around the world, everyone understands that correct? And the messages foundation is the bible as deplected in the logo, everyone understands that as well?

[ClubV12]

Oh, I see that. I've never looked closely. Thought maybe it was a flower and the bible was the leaves. Now it makes sense.

[Stan]

and the centre of everything is the cross.

I can not think of a better logo for the Adventist Church

[Stan]

The person who designed this, is clearly using his talents to advance God's work, some of his work was honoured last week at the Associated Church Press for his design work..

Yet so many of the loopys spread slander about him being a Jesuit and worse... those folks need to pack up their bags and just leave, then just leave us alone.

[Tom Wetmore]

Yes, that reminds me of a conversation had with my friend who is legal counsel for the Mormon Church. We were commiserating about the loopys, as you say, that our respective churches are both blessed with. One thing that he said stuck in my head, "Yes, we all have those that leave us, but won't leave us alone."

[LifeHiscost]

God bless you, Delta, for your standing up for the way the Holy Spirit has led and the damage that has been and still could be done by disavowing His leading in the past. Sometimes we humans have a tendency to get a little overinflated about how (we) are responsible for the successes in the body of believers, successes both large and small.

God cares!

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[LifeHiscost]

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I know more and more churches preaching only about happy gospel, entertainment Christian, Abundant living and "positive thinking Gospel"-so to speak; and attacking Christians which are preaching about rebuking, warning and preparing the world to be ready for the final conflics and then accusing them as "fanatics", "scare tactic politics" or perhaps as "hatred preaching".

And it reveals the dragon's breath. Thank you, Lord, for another telling sign.

"Now when these things begin to occur, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption (deliverance) is drawing near."Luke 21:28 AMP

God cares!

[ClubV12]

Tom, I like that Mormon friend of yours!

[LifeHiscost]

can you imagine if every SHELL service station had their own logo? Or if the logo had to be approved by every clerk or jockey that had?

How silly would that be..

The LOGO brands a company. or a Church..

do the math on that one..

God cares!

[LifeHiscost]

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Yet so many of the loopys spread slander about him being a Jesuit and worse... those folks need to pack up their bags and just leave, then just leave us alone.

And you know, Stan, that's just wishful thinking. But God, being Sovereign, has a plan for even this seemingly innocuous pastime.

"Kings, governors, and great men will hear of you through the reports of those who are at enmity with you, and your faith and character will be misrepresented before them. But those who are falsely accused will have an opportunity to appear in the presence of their accusers to answer for themselves. They will have the privilege of bringing the light before those who are called the great men of the earth, and if you have studied the Bible, if you are ready to give an answer to every man that asketh you of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear, your enemies will not be able to gainsay your wisdom.—"Ev 561.4}The Review and Herald, April 26, 1892.

God cares!