New Truth

[phkrause]

I believe there is a fine line between being fanatical and being euthusiastic. I think is hard to tell, I agree. I know when I'm going on interviews for a job, or get a call on the Sabbath about selling my timeshare or something like that, and I tell tell that from friday sundown till saturday sundown I don't work or do any kind of business, they look at me or do a double take or ask are you Jewish. I tell them I'm a SDA. None of them think I'm fanatical, they think I'm different. I can understand if you were to pray all day, I'm not saying this is wrong by the way, that there would be many who would think that was fanatical. I would agree that the Harmon's might have been radical but not fanatical, as was Jesus, he was not a fanatic but he was most definitely a radical.

pk

[Joe_in_RP]

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he point of all this, was not to have folks try to flame me..

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Informal. An insulting criticism or remark meant to incite anger, as on a computer network.

v., flamed, flam·ing, flames.

I am sorry Stan.

[oldsailor29]

Neil, let me share something with you. When I came into the church over 10 years ago the pastor who baptized me was very influential to my understanding. I attend everything he did. I soaked up everything he said. He said in the end there will be people for or against God. No in between. I did not understand then.

Joe, from your story of the business who relied on their accountant for their choice of accounting program, it seems to me that your pastors statement is still not understood. What your pastor was talking about was character development. Before the end of time, all characters will be fully developed, for good or for evil. Right now there are some people who are dedicated to serving Satan, and have made their final choice and will not change. Their characters are fully developed for evil. Their probation is closed. They are sealed with the mark of the beast. There are also some people who would rather die than commit a wrong act. This is their final decision and their probation is closed. They are sealed with the seal of God. Their characters are fully developed for good. And now there are a lot of people who have not made their final decision yet. They are not sealed either way yet. They may tend to go one way or the other, and if they die before their characters are fully developed, they will be saved or lost depending on which way they were tending to go. But before the end of time all characters will be fully developed. Everyone will have made their final decision as to who they will serve, Christ or Satan. All characters will be fully developed. Everybody will either rather die than commit a wrong act, or be committed to do evil continually. Everyone we meet on the street will either be like Jesus or like Satan. We will either be filled with the Holy Spirit or the spirit of evil.

However, there is nothing new about this light. Ellen White wrote this light over a hundred years ago.

[Joe_in_RP]

I agree 100%. The thing I wonder or actually suspect is that we are getting closer to that time. Because I have observed (maybe its a local thing) that people are moving more in that direction of absolutes.

[Joe_in_RP]

I am the first to admit that I am not the best messenger for this. I do overreact. I do get very emotional about all of this. But right now not many others are stepping up to the plate. Others have the info I present here but many do not post it.

One of the reasons I am so passionate about all of this is the crisis at hand. We are running out of time.

Please read this slowly.

We are in a time of deception. MANY are already deceived.

Few people realize that in the last 6 months 2 trillion dollars has been taken from the American Treasury. Its been called the biggest bank heist in history.

Many people do have a clue how bad things are. There are watching the deception box and being deceived.

Unemployment in Michigan is 25% (shadowstats.com). The highest unemployment in the history was 20% in the great depression. The fact is America is in depression.

We have had 7 out of 8 quarters of negative growth. The one that just ended will be down also. That will make 6 straight down quarters.

Top economists say (Celente, Shift and others) that the American Financial system is about to collapse. Many of our churches keep their investment funds in banks and brokerage accounts.

I go to some churches and they are wide awake. Others are deeply sleeping. They are going on vacation buying new things thinking some day when they have their bills paid off they will invest in Gods work.

So many people are deceived into thinking this is a temporary problem. They have not studied history.

The global elite are making their move. The next few months will be critical for God's people.

I plead with you to get rid of those deception boxes and study God's word. Only by the power of God do we have a chance of surviving the coming crisis.

The truth about whats happening, the signs of the times is on the internet. Just as the printing press freed the people from spiritual bondage the internet is uncontrolled (for now in North America)and showing the signs of the times.

Don't take my word for this. Go search the internet for yourselves.

[Joe_in_RP]

Its no coincidence the the Pope is calling for a new financial order that he wants to be in-charge of. Once he has total control of the banks they can determine who can buy or sell.

[wayfinder]

The one world government will make its appearence in 2016, by that time the sealing of the Kingdom of God and the 144,000 will have already occured. We need to learn righteousness and truth now.

Mt 6:33 "But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

[Joe_in_RP]

Hello Wayfinder. I have not seen you post before. Thank you for joining the conversation. I think as more people come forward and post facts, the truth will come out.

In my posts I try not to use dates. Some people are sensitive about dates.

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While drawing crowded houses of intelligent and attentive hearers, Miller's name was seldom mentioned by the religious press except by way of ridicule or denunciation. The careless and ungodly emboldened by the position of religious teachers, resorted to opprobrious epithets, to base and blasphemous witticisms, in their efforts to heap contumely upon him and his work. The gray-headed man who had left a comfortable home to travel at his own expense from city to city, from town to town, toiling unceasingly to bear to the world the solemn warning of the judgment near, was sneeringly denounced as a fanatic, a liar, a speculating knave.

Ellen G. White Estate

The Great Controversy (1911), page 336, paragraph 2

Chapter Title: An American Reformer

[wayfinder]

Yeh, old wounds never heal, but look, if Miller had not set a date we wouldn't be here, would we?

[GreatLakesGramma]

2016? I seriously doubt that we have that much time.

[wayfinder]

We (SDA) will have from 2012 (June-July) until 2016 (shaking).

Sorry about the mention of the date if it offends anyone, no offence intended.

[Musicman1228]

Hi everyone.

I am not uncomfortable with dates, after all God has set plenty of dates in the past that we have been able to understand so why wouldn't He want us to know not just what will happen but when? My only caveat is that we understand that it is God that is setting the dates and we are trying to discover what they are, and not us setting dates for personal reasons such as financial gain, to be popular, or to manipulate or persuade others to our point of view.

[guibox]

We (SDA) will have from 2012 (June-July) until 2016 (shaking).

Sorry about the mention of the date if it offends anyone, no offence intended.

It amazes me that we still have people in our church that insist on date setting. Have we learned nothing from our past? The longer and longer I am in the church the more and more I feel that our apocalyptic focus and eschaetological emphasis are responsible for the end-time fanaticism that has produced fringe groups, cults like Koresh and what I call 'quackventists' who see the signs of the times in everything from acne to the President scratching his nose. Date setting is another one of these fanaticisms we can't seem to get rid of.

Our strong desire to be so 'unique' as the 'remnant' and grab on to our 'unique' doctrines with a stranglehold grip makes us look inward to ourselves as the 'remant' and all other Christians as 'Babylon'. Couple this with the quacks who'd love nothing better than for us to live and act like it's pre-1888 Adventism, the Ellenolatry rampant still today, and our strong apocalyptic endtimes scenario mindset, and we are close to becoming the cult that so many think we are.

How in the world does this appeal to our youth and outsiders in the church that need the love and grace of Christ and want to feel accepted coming in??

[Richard Holbrook]

Ellenolatry?

[wayfinder]

R.H. Perceptions can be deceiving. I am and have always been honest with you and everyone on this forum. You asked if I was Rick and I was honest. I have been studing scripture ,in depth, for the last 15 years. I once believed everything that you and most of the rest of those on this forum do. It was through study and the Holy Spirit that I came to the understanding I have today. John317 does not know me and has never met me in person, I guess that is why he says "those people". I will continue to treat you as a friend no matter what.

[LifeHiscost]

The global elite are making their move. The next few months will be critical for God's people.

I plead with you to get rid of those deception boxes and study God's word. Only by the power of God do we have a chance of surviving the coming crisis.

A few things make me confident of earth's present reality.

A Spirit of Prophecy comment: "Prepare as if you had eternity. Live as if Jesus were coming back today."

Biblical counsel: "You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end." Matthew 24:6 NASB

"Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have. For He Himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”" Hebrews 13:5 NKJV

While that does not say there will be no difficulties for me personally. It does say Jesus will be with me as my journey on this earth takes me through them.

"No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it."1 Corinthians 10:13 NKJV

Blessings!

[LifeHiscost]

Before the end of time, all characters will be fully developed, for good or for evil. Right now there are some people who are dedicated to serving Satan, and have made their final choice and will not change. Their characters are fully developed for evil. Their probation is closed. They are sealed with the mark of the beast. There are also some people who would rather die than commit a wrong act. This is their final decision and their probation is closed. They are sealed with the seal of God. Their characters are fully developed for good.

The only people I'm aware of who believe this theology are those who do not fully believe the Scripture.

"“When they sin against You (for there is no one who does not sin)..."1 Kings 8:46 NKJV

"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us."1 John 1:8 NIV

Blessings!

[Richard Holbrook]

This time is coming, but we are not quite there yet. I believe it is not far off though.

Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

[Joe_in_RP]

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How in the world does this appeal to our youth and outsiders in the church

The young people all know about the New World Order. Just ask them. Once they feel they can trust you, they will open up and amaze you.

The outsiders know something is very wrong.

The problem is the faithful church folks who have their own circle of friends and don't what to hear any talk of conspiracy movements.

Jesus was murdered by a conspiracy.

[Joe_in_RP]

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and eschaetological emphasis are responsible for the end-time fanaticism

This is the roots of our church.

Jesus placed heavy emphasis on the end.

Now it does not surprise me that people will disagree about end time events. But let treat other with patience and courtesy. Let's not blast them off the planet because they have different viewpoints. If you see a problem with date setting, please use care to educate us.

[wayfinder]

J.K.,

Thank you for your wise words.

[oldsailor29]

Originally Posted By: oldsailor29

Before the end of time, all characters will be fully developed, for good or for evil. Right now there are some people who are dedicated to serving Satan, and have made their final choice and will not change. Their characters are fully developed for evil. Their probation is closed. They are sealed with the mark of the beast. There are also some people who would rather die than commit a wrong act. This is their final decision and their probation is closed. They are sealed with the seal of God. Their characters are fully developed for good.

The only people I'm aware of who believe this theology are those who do not fully believe the Scripture.

"“When they sin against You (for there is no one who does not sin)..."1 Kings 8:46 NKJV

"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us."1 John 1:8 NIV

Blessings!

No one claims to be without sin, but a lot of Bible believing people hold this faith, that before Jesus comes again there will only be two classes of people alive on this earth. They will be people who characters have been fully developed. And their characters will either be totally evil or totally good. Our sinful natures notwithstanding, the Holy Spirit will be within us in full measure, and give us all the power we need to keep us from committing any wrongful actions. At the same time, we will feel very sinful, because then we will more fully understand what having a sinful nature means. Then at the return of our saviour Jesus Christ, we will be changed in an instant, and once again our sinful natures will not afflict us.

This is the official SDA stand as I have been taught, and there are a lot of Bible believing people who hold this as true.

[phkrause]

And people are worried about Obama socializing america! When the US gets in bed with the Pope than we will really see what a socialist government will be. No one will be able to buy or sell, sound familiar?

pk

[Woody]

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"So I will be your representative in heaven. The Father beholds not your faulty character, but He sees you as clothed in My perfection." DA 357"

[Musicman1228]

This thread is about 'New Truth', so here is my question based on that:

We have been told that old truth (information we already possess and consider true) will never be changed or negated by new truth; that new truth is always built of the foundation of old truth.

If that is the case then what would need to be the quality of any 'new truth' that would be necessary to start a "Shaking" within the SDA church such that the church would be split in two over it? Would not this 'Shaking' indicate a truth so radical and new that it is placed outside of the 'new truth only built on old truth' modality?