What is the "Faith of Jesus"

[skyblue888]

"When we trust God fully, when we rely upon the merits of a sin-pardoning Saviour, we shall receive all the help that we can desire." P.P.431

Isn't this what it means to trust God fully, to rely solely upon the merits of Christ in order to receive the blessings of pardon and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, in order to find His approval and to receive the whole heavenly treasure?

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[Musicman1228]

Right on Gerry. If faith is complete trust in God the Father then is it really faith?

[Guest]

Yes. Even though you have complete trust, you still cannot prove his existence, so you must have faith. Faith and trust are basically the same thing.

[Twilight]

Originally Posted By: Twilight

Here is a statement from SOP that should clear it up though:

"The faith of Jesus." It is talked of, but not understood. What constitutes the faith of Jesus, that belongs to the third angel's message? Jesus becoming our sin-bearer that He might become our sin-pardoning Saviour. He was treated as we deserve to be treated. He came to our world and took our sins that we might take His righteousness. And faith in the ability of Christ to save us amply and fully and entirely is the faith of Jesus. {3SM 172.3}

I think this and the above quote from Waggoner are part of the same wonderful truth, two facets to it. :-)

Mark

I believe the above is based 0n the understanding that the passage meant "faith IN Jesus" and NOT "faith OF Jesus". IF "OF" is the correct rendition, then what?

Ellen White quoted it as "of" and then supplied the meaning, so I do not think it means anything other than stated above. :-)

Mark

[Twilight]

Originally Posted By: Gerry Cabalo

I believe the above is based 0n the understanding that the passage meant "faith IN Jesus" and NOT "faith OF Jesus". IF "OF" is the correct rendition, then what?

Rev. 14: 12 may be translated either "faith of Jesus" or "faith in Jesus." The Greek lacks a preposition: kai thn pistin Iesou. The noun, Jesus, is genitive, and it is probably to be understood as objective genitive, "faith in Jesus." That is in harmony with Rev. 2: 13. (Compare Mark 11: 22; James 2: 1; 2 Tim. 4: 7.)

The New English Bible translates it, "remaining loyal to Jesus."

These are loyal to God, and even in the face of death they maintain their relationship with Jesus.

Thank you Brother. :-)

[Twilight]

So then, since our Lord did not cling to His divine prerogatives but came as a man, not just any man but a servant. He had to depend totally on His Father. The faith of Jesus, as I understand it then, is His total dependence/trust/confidence in the Father. Therefore, to have the faith of Jesus is to have total trust/confidence/dependence on God AS He was.

Problem is, we cannot manufacture that "faith". :-)

We need it as the gift it is.

Mark :-)

[Musicman1228]

You cannot manufacture trust, either. So which is more important, faith or trust?

[Guest]

When I sat down in this chair, I trusted that it would support me and not give way. That was faith.

[Guest]

When I put a letter in the mailbox, I trust it will get where I want it to go. That is faith.

[Musicman1228]

If you have sat down in the chair before and it has supported you then the next time you sit down you no longer have faith you have trust. Trust is built on a track record of performance by the person or situation in which you initially had faith.

We all start with faith, but we need to move on to trust. This is what happens when we grow in the knowledge and understanding of Jesus Christ.

[Guest]

That analogy dosn't hold up with the post office.

You cannot prove that Jesus was the son of God, therefore it is faith that causes you to believe, and you must keep this faith until you see him in the flesh.

[Musicman1228]

Richard, that is really getting down to basics; not being able to prove that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. That could be a great separate thread. I have some ideas as to how to prove it but I'd like to hear other ideas.

[John317]

You cannot manufacture trust, either. So which is more important, faith or trust?

In both Greek and English, trust and faith are synonyms:

faith

noun

1 complete trust or confidence in someone or something : this restores one's faith in politicians.

In theology, it's the same way: faith and trust are interchangeable, unless one is referring to "the faith," in which case it's a set of beliefs.

For instance, saying that Abraham trusted God is equivalent to saying that Abraham had faith in God.

[Musicman1228]

But doesn't trust imply something stronger than faith? I always thought that it did.

[skyblue888]

Trust means implicit belief in Christ's word, to be fully convinced that what He has promised He is able to perform (Rom.4:20) and every command is a promise.