Condition/s for Salvation

[Guest]

I'm sorry I didn't see the part of that text that said: "without the help of God or the Holy Spirit"!

Did you leave that part out, or what?

Are you making up new scripture as you go?

[Dr. Rich]

Do you see any quote marks around what I wrote about what you said? I don't think so. It is NOT a quote from God--come on already! You need to take a shower and wake up. Can't you see that I put it into MY words what God was doing and saying to Cain? DAH! (Sorry about that)

[Guest]

You can't have true obedience without faith Rich.

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Hbr 11:6

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph 2:8

Hab 2:4 ¶ Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. Jam 2:26

[Dr. Rich]

Oh no? Please tell that to Jesus. He didn't need any faith and He obeyed what His Father commanded Him to do--right? Besides, look who wrote three of the texts you provided??? As IF they really knew???

[Guest]

Jesus did have faith in the Father. Plenty of it.

[skyblue888]

The conditions?

"The Lord specifies no conditions except that you hunger for His mercy, desire His counsel, and long for His love." M.B.130.

And if you hunger for His mercy, desire His counsel, and long for His love, this is evidence that Christ has wrought upon your heart in order that He may be sought unto to do for you, through the endowment of the Holy Spirit, those things which it is impossible for you to do for yourself. See M.B.19.

This is the condition of someone who is born from above.

"The words of Christ (You must be born again) are spoken just as verily to presidents of conferences, elders in churches, and those occupying official positions in our institutions... If you have the Holy Spirit molding and fashioning your heart daily, then you will have divine insight to perceive the character of the Kingdom of God." T.M.369.

sky

[Guest]

Amen

[pnattmbtc]

Here's my favorite SOP statement on how to be saved:

Quote:

How, then, are we to be saved? "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness," so the Son of man has been lifted up, and everyone who has been deceived and bitten by the serpent may look and live. "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." John 1:29. The light shining from the cross reveals the love of God. His love is drawing us to Himself. If we do not resist this drawing, we shall be led to the foot of the cross in repentance for the sins that have crucified the Saviour. Then the Spirit of God through faith produces a new life in the soul. The thoughts and desires are brought into obedience to the will of Christ. The heart, the mind, are created anew in the image of Him who works in us to subdue all things to Himself. Then the law of God is written in the mind and heart, and we can say with Christ, "I delight to do Thy will, O my God." Ps. 40:8. (DA 175, 176)

[Musicman1228]

Jesus did have faith in the Father. Plenty of it.

So Jesus wasn't quite sure He was the Son of God so he needed faith to believe that was?

[Guest]

No, he knew who he was.

[skyblue888]

He realized who He was at the age of 12 while He was attending the Passover with His parents.

sky

[Dr. Rich]

You are only guessing--right? So tell me, why would Jesus have to have 'faith'? Since He KNEW everything--why have faith? One does NOT need faith when they are in heaven--right?

[Dr. Rich]

Hey Sky--and just who did Jesus say His Parent were? Who taught Him? It sure was not Mary or Joseph! His real Mother was the Holy Spirit and His real Father was God Almighty!

[Guest]

I would laugh but you are so confused, that it just isn't funny. Maybe if I didn't care...

[Dr. Rich]

Like I said before, go ahead and laugh. Soon we will see who has the last laugh.

[Guest]

Satan with his fierce temptations wrung the heart of Jesus. The Saviour could not see through the portals of the tomb. Hope did not present to Him His coming forth from the grave a conqueror, or tell Him of the Father’s acceptance of the sacrifice. He feared that sin was so offensive to God that Their separation was to be eternal. Christ felt the anguish that the sinner will feel when mercy shall no longer plead for the guilty race. It was the sense of sin, bringing the Father’s wrath upon Him as the sinner’s substitute, that made the cup He drank so bitter, and broke the heart of the Son of God.—Ibid., p. 753. {CTr 277}

Amid the awful darkness, apparently forsaken of God, Christ had drained the last dregs in the cup of human woe. In those dreadful hours He had relied upon the evidence of His Father’s acceptance heretofore given Him. He was acquainted with the character of His Father; He understood His justice, His mercy, and His great love. By faith He rested in Him whom it had ever been His joy to obey. And as in submission He committed Himself to God, the sense of the loss of His Father’s favor was withdrawn. By faith, Christ was victor.—Ibid., p. 756. {CTr 277}

[Dr. Rich]

Hey Richard--that's some really great fiction!

[Guest]

You're free to believe that.

[pnattmbtc]

A definition I've heard for faith I like very much is that faith is a heart appreciation of the love of God, especially as revealed at the cross.

[Gerr]

Gerry, your are right. What you pointed out is a true paradigm. So which is is true? I chose obedience.

"10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Gal 3:10 ESV.

"If you would enter life, keep the commandments." Mt 19:17 ESV.

[Gerr]

Reminds me of the six blind men describing an elephant.

It's a wall. It's a rope. It's a spear. It's a snake. It's a fan. It's a tree.