Adventists and Islam

[Tom Wetmore]

Well worth reading - http://www.adventistworld.org/issue.php?issue=2010-1002&page=11

[phkrause]

Excellent article, thanks for the post Tom. But this is something that a number of Adventists have been working on for many years. To name one, John McGhee. The other guy has done a 13 parts series with Steve Wohlberg. There are others who don't seem to get any credit at all.

I guess my question to you Tom is, do you have a problem with this?

pk

[abelisle]

Thanks for the link Tom. Here in NYC, we're already reaching out, mainly through the work of Samir Salmanovic.

Samir Selmanovic, Ph.D., is a founder and Christian co-leader of Faith House Manhattan, an inter-faith “community of communities” that brings together forward-looking Christians, Muslims, Jews, atheists and others who seek to thrive interdependently.Samir SelmanovicSamir is also the director of a Christian community in New York City called Citylights and serves on the Interfaith Relations commission of the National Council of Churches and speaks nationally and internationally.

http://www.billdahl.net/articles/does-th...ir-salmanovich/

Faith House Manhattan:

http://www.faithhousemanhattan.org

Of course we are our own enemy with many Adventists viewing this potential outreach with a dollop of skepticism, an effort by Satan to "muddy the waters". As for me, this solves the eschatological problem I've had for a long time which is how will we spread the gospel to the whole world considering the major percentage of which are Muslims.

One question remains for me which is if Muslims simply consider Jesus to be another prophet on the level of Mohammed, why are they so concerned about his second coming?

Alex

[olger]

Abelisle, what is your opinion of Selmanovic's aberrant views of Scripture?

regards,

oG

[abelisle]

Abelisle, what is your opinion of Selmanovic's aberrant views of Scripture?

regards,

oG

I'm afraid you're going to have to be more specific and tell me not only what you're referring to but why you consider it to be aberrant.

Thanks

Alex

[teresaq]

Quote:

Islam is a violent religion, and most Muslims are therefore prone to violence. Islam has a violent element, just as can be found in other faiths. This element, however, represents only a small percentage of Muslims. The Gallup organization conducted a massive worldwide survey of Muslims, interviewing some 30,000 people. The results showed that 93 percent of Muslims reject violence.

“Allah” is the name of a pagan deity. This myth is quickly disproved by a study of etymology. “Allah” is simply the Arabic term for God, was so used by Arab Christians before Muhammad, and is still so used. Because Islam arose among Arabs and the Koran is written in Arabic, inevitably the name “Allah” was adopted to designate God.

Because of their high birthrates, Muslims soon will outnumber Christians, becoming the majority religion in several countries of Europe. A DVD circulating widely has scared some Adventists, who have accepted its ideas uncritically. In effect, the DVD portrays a nonviolent takeover of the West by Muslims whose large families before long overwhelm the culture. Despite the graphic presentation, the argument is flawed. It cherry-picks the data; it makes unwarranted assumptions; it ignores evidence that runs counter to its thesis.

great article.

we can make friends.

or we can make enemies.

our choice.

[Gerr]

If you hear/read about an update about this Johnson/sheikh encounter, Tom, please post it. This to me is very interesting.

[abelisle]

Something to worry about in light of this article is the spotlight that could be put on Adventists as friends of Muslims - not a very good position to be in Islamicphobic America. What a convenient prop for the instigation of religious persecution. We must be " wise as serpents" but friendly "as doves"

Alex

[phkrause]

Something to worry about in light of this article is the spotlight that could be put on Adventists as friends of Muslims - not a very good position to be in Islamicphobic America. What a convenient prop for the instigation of religious persecution. We must be " wise as serpents" but friendly "as doves"

Alex

Interesting thought Alex.

pk

[teresaq]

Something to worry about in light of this article is the spotlight that could be put on Adventists as friends of Muslims - not a very good position to be in Islamicphobic America. What a convenient prop for the instigation of religious persecution. We must be " wise as serpents" but friendly "as doves"

Alex

would that be reminiscent of the quakers and slaves?

what would your formula look like? should we risk persecution to stand up for right? or should we join the bandwagon?

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

My question for the sheik who had the dream about Adventists...why didn't the sheik come over *here* to visit the GC and visit with Adventists, instead of GC officials going over to see *him*? Who could better afford the trip?

[phkrause]

My question for the sheik who had the dream about Adventists...why didn't the sheik come over *here* to visit the GC and visit with Adventists, instead of GC officials going over to see *him*? Who could better afford the trip?

Very good point rudywoofs.

pk

[Dottie]

There was a letter from Johnson in the last online Review, but it was on the other computer, which decided not to boot yesterday afternoon. Maybe you could find it.

[Gerr]

Something to worry about in light of this article is the spotlight that could be put on Adventists as friends of Muslims - not a very good position to be in Islamicphobic America. What a convenient prop for the instigation of religious persecution. We must be " wise as serpents" but friendly "as doves"

Alex

Good advice, however, persecution is guaranteed regardless for endtime believers who will refuse homage to the beast or its image.

[doug yowell]

Something to worry about in light of this article is the spotlight that could be put on Adventists as friends of Muslims - not a very good position to be in Islamicphobic America. What a convenient prop for the instigation of religious persecution. We must be " wise as serpents" but friendly "as doves"

Alex

Why worry about that until America becomes Islamicphobic?"Sufficient for the day is it's own trouble." Or, as my grandfather used to say,"Why worry, it may never happen?"

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

To be perfectly honest, Muslims frighten me. I don't want to reach out to Muslims. I think there *should* be profiling of people getting on planes or other public transportation.

I remember when 9/11 happened and two Muslims who owned a convenience store were whooping and clapping and laughing about it. A CocaCola delivery truck came to give them their order of Coca Cola products. He saw them whooping it up and took out all Coke products and left them without their order. I think people are being lulled into forgetting about 9/11.

If I see an obviously Muslim person in a store or on the street, I will deliberately avoid them like the plague. I know some of you have Muslim friends. That's fine. You can keep them. I don't trust them.

And I had bad experiences with Muslims-turned-SDA at WWC. They would call Americans filthy names and were nasty mean-spirited people.

[Gail]

I have a Muslim friend who is against violence, as many are. We have peaceful, honest discussions.

In Genesis 16:12 the Lord predicts that Ishmael would be a "wild man," and "his hand will be against every man". It also says that "... he shall dwell (prosper) in the presence of all his brethren."

It's one thing to know this, but should we dwell on it and become discouraged by it? God still reigns!

[phkrause]

I have a Muslim friend who is against violence, as many are. We have peaceful, honest discussions.

In Genesis 16:12 the Lord predicts that Ishmael would be a "wild man," and "his hand will be against every man". It also says that "... he shall dwell (prosper) in the presence of all his brethren."

It's one thing to know this, but should we dwell on it and become discouraged by it? God still reigns!

Good point Gail.

pk

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

I have a Muslim friend who is against violence, as many are. We have peaceful, honest discussions.

In Genesis 16:12 the Lord predicts that Ishmael would be a "wild man," and "his hand will be against every man". It also says that "... he shall dwell (prosper) in the presence of all his brethren."

It's one thing to know this, but should we dwell on it and become discouraged by it? God still reigns!

Gail, you're not an American. But still watch your back.

[oldsailor29]

In Genesis 16:12 the Lord predicts that Ishmael would be a "wild man," and "his hand will be against every man". It also says that "... he shall dwell (prosper) in the presence of all his brethren."

I do not believe Islam can really trace it's roots to Ishmael.

[SivartM]

Ishmael -> Arabs -> Muslims

[oldsailor29]

Ishmael -> Arabs -> Muslims

Doesn't prove anything. I think Islam saying they descended from Ishmael is much like the Mormons saying they descended from one of the lost tribes od Israel. Ridiculous.

[olger]

Ishmael --> Arabs --> Mooslims -->

[olger]

Correct.

[teresaq]

There was a letter from Johnson in the last online Review, but it was on the other computer, which decided not to boot yesterday afternoon. Maybe you could find it.

im a little lost here. this has my name at the top, but im not sure in regards to?