Adventists and Islam

[teresaq]

My question for the sheik who had the dream about Adventists...why didn't the sheik come over *here* to visit the GC and visit with Adventists, instead of GC officials going over to see *him*? Who could better afford the trip?

i think because we are christians, supposedly, and are to go into all the world. even to the rich. just my guess, tho.

[teresaq]

If I see an obviously Muslim person in a store or on the street, I will deliberately avoid them like the plague. I know some of you have Muslim friends. That's fine. You can keep them. I don't trust them.

i try to make friends with them. you never know when "they" will come after me, and they might think twice if i was decent to them. :)

[oldsailor29]

OLDSAILOR29

Arabs which are mostly Muslims claim that they

are decendents of ABRAHAM

dgrimm60

An empty claim which cannot be proven.

[phkrause]

Originally Posted By: dgrimm60

OLDSAILOR29

Arabs which are mostly Muslims claim that they

are decendents of ABRAHAM

dgrimm60

An empty claim which cannot be proven.

Are you positive oldsailor? Because I believe that. And according to John McGhee and quite a few others that have worked with Muslims and for them say this is true. Now as far as Islam is concerned that's what they have claimed as there religion around the time of Muhammed! But I also believe that Ishmael and Esau's descendants are who we know today as Arabs! I will investagate this alittle more.

pk

[Gail]

Pam, I'm so sorry about your experience! How horrible! :(

[TWNolan]

Something to worry about in light of this article is the spotlight that could be put on Adventists as friends of Muslims - not a very good position to be in Islamicphobic America. What a convenient prop for the instigation of religious persecution. We must be " wise as serpents" but friendly "as doves"

Alex

Amen

[TWNolan]

Originally Posted By: dgrimm60

OLDSAILOR29

Arabs which are mostly Muslims claim that they

are decendents of ABRAHAM

dgrimm60

An empty claim which cannot be proven.

and the Muslims can say the same thing about the Jews. All of which will get NO ONE anywhere

[oldsailor29]

OLDSAILOR29

Arabs which are mostly Muslims claim that they

are decendents of ABRAHAM

dgrimm60

[olger]

Sometimes I think oldsailor says things just to get a rise out of people.

oG

[LifeHiscost]

Something to worry about in light of this article is the spotlight that could be put on Adventists as friends of Muslims - not a very good position to be in Islamicphobic America. What a convenient prop for the instigation of religious persecution. We must be " wise as serpents" but friendly "as doves"

Alex

I shared the article with someone close, who happens to be a Christian of a different faith(other than Adventist). There immediate response was somewhat alluding to making a union with the devil.

I asked the question, do you believe the muslim is lost who is not a believer in Jesus as Lord. The answer was yes, when they were asked to restrict their answer to a yes or a no.

I asked them then, did they believe this Word.

"...for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”" Luke 19:10 NKJV

I did not voice the next question which would have been, "How would you propose we go about working with Jesus to accomplish that end re: the Muslim?". I did suggest the President of a major Christian faith would seem to be a very appropriate individual to visit a high ranking Shiek, especially when there are a number of mutual practical living attributes of both religions that would seem to enhance making friends, which I believe is one of Jesus' favorite, and in my opinion, best ways of reaching the heart.

Do you have thoughts on this?

Blessings!

[LifeHiscost]

My question for the sheik who had the dream about Adventists...why didn't the sheik come over *here* to visit the GC and visit with Adventists, instead of GC officials going over to see *him*? Who could better afford the trip?

It would seem to me the one most interested in influencing the other for the sake of winning a person to receive Jesus as Lord, would be provided by the King with enough to make the trip.

[phkrause]

Originally Posted By: abelisle

Something to worry about in light of this article is the spotlight that could be put on Adventists as friends of Muslims - not a very good position to be in Islamicphobic America. What a convenient prop for the instigation of religious persecution. We must be " wise as serpents" but friendly "as doves"

Alex

I shared the article with someone close, who happens to be a Christian of a different faith(other than Adventist). There immediate response was somewhat alluding to making a union with the devil.

I asked the question, do you believe the muslim is lost who is not a believer in Jesus as Lord. The answer was yes, when they were asked to restrict their answer to a yes or a no.

I asked them then, did they believe this Word.

"...for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”" Luke 19:10 NKJV

I did not voice the next question which would have been, "How would you propose we go about working with Jesus to accomplish that end re: the Muslim?". I did suggest the President of a major Christian faith would seem to be a very appropriate individual to visit a high ranking Shiek, especially when there are a number of mutual practical living attributes of both religions that would seem to enhance making friends, which I believe is one of Jesus' favorite, and in my opinion, best ways of reaching the heart.

Do you have thoughts on this?

Blessings!

Very interesting points LHC

pk

[LifeHiscost]

I have a Muslim friend who is against violence, as many are. We have peaceful, honest discussions.

In Genesis 16:12 the Lord predicts that Ishmael would be a "wild man," and "his hand will be against every man". It also says that "... he shall dwell (prosper) in the presence of all his brethren."

It's one thing to know this, but should we dwell on it and become discouraged by it? God still reigns!

I have a natural tendency to side with Rudy on the side of fear. OTOH;...for the sake of fulfilling the reason why I choose to be a disciple of Christ____

"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love." 1 John 4:18 NASB

Blessings!

[LifeHiscost]

Originally Posted By: dgrimm60

OLDSAILOR29

Arabs which are mostly Muslims claim that they

are decendents of ABRAHAM

dgrimm60

An empty claim which cannot be proven.

"Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God."Matthew 5:9 NKJV

Pretty hard to prove we're sons and daughters of God, too.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

Originally Posted By: rudywoofs

My question for the sheik who had the dream about Adventists...why didn't the sheik come over *here* to visit the GC and visit with Adventists, instead of GC officials going over to see *him*? Who could better afford the trip?

It would seem to me the one most interested in influencing the other for the sake of winning a person to receive Jesus as Lord, would be provided by the King with enough to make the trip.

Think of the money it cost to send a GC delegation over there just to talk to a sheik. That was just playing politics.

[Bravus]

"...I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some" ...unless they were too different or it was too expensive.

[Dr. Rich]

"...I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some"... WHAT? How deceiving is that? Hope the person who said this also said "...May it never be..."

[aldona]

I shared the article with someone close, who happens to be a Christian of a different faith(other than Adventist). There immediate response was somewhat alluding to making a union with the devil.

I asked the question, do you believe the muslim is lost who is not a believer in Jesus as Lord. The answer was yes, when they were asked to restrict their answer to a yes or a no.

I asked them then, did they believe this Word.

"...for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”" Luke 19:10 NKJV

I did not voice the next question which would have been, "How would you propose we go about working with Jesus to accomplish that end re: the Muslim?". I did suggest the President of a major Christian faith would seem to be a very appropriate individual to visit a high ranking Shiek, especially when there are a number of mutual practical living attributes of both religions that would seem to enhance making friends, which I believe is one of Jesus' favorite, and in my opinion, best ways of reaching the heart.

Do you have thoughts on this?

Blessings!

I have noticed similar attitudes among many Christians of other denominations, including good friends of ours who belong to a Pentecostal church.

Muslims are not looked upon as lost human beings in need of a Saviour, and there are no plans to evangelize them or share the gospel with them as there are with every other non-Christian group . There are no missionaries to the Muslims.

They are seen as something sub-human, lower than animals even - more like demonic beings. The approach is to pray against them in the same way that they pray against demons and evil spirits.

Muslims are seen as an obstruction placed there by Satan to obstruct and prevent the Jews from reclaiming the "Holy Land" thus enabling end-time events (as they see them) to unfold.

Scripture texts about the children of Israel entering the promised land and slaughtering everything in their path to do so (including women and children) often get a mention in this context, and I am sure many Christians wish there was no legal impediment to deoing exactly the same.

Anybody, whether it is the UN or President Obama or Amnesty or any other person/group who tries to consider the Muslims/ Palestinians as actual human beings with rights and dignity like us, is immediately painted as an antichrist who is standing in the way of "God's plans."

I find all this disturbing and I am relieved and pleased that Adventists are taking a different approach.

And yes, I have Muslim friends and neighbors (close enough to eat at each other's houses regularly, and to have attended the birth of my neighbor's son). They really are human beings like you and I, and they do not have horns or tails. As Shakespeare would have put it; if you prick them they bleed, and if you tickle them they laugh.

And they really respect you when they find out that there is a class of Christians who not only do not hate them, but do not drink alcohol or eat pork as well!

aldona

[Dr. Rich]

aldona, I agree with what you wrote. This week at the APC in Loma Linda, I found a booth that is a ministry to Islam which I thought was really neat. I too have and have had very close friends who are Muslim and I found it neat that we had food in common just like you did.

I also agree that Jesus came to seek that which is lost, and those would include the Muslims too, wouldn't they? When Jesus came, there were no Christians or Muslims. Jesus' gospel or testimoney was all about the Kingdom of Heaven and that did not include any special religion like Christians or Muslims or Hindeus or Budests.

From Reading what God told us in Revelation 7:9-16 it clearly shows that the multitude that comes out of the time of trouble will be from every nation, tribe and race--and don't you suppose this could also be from every religion?

[Bravus]

1 Corinthians 9:22

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

And they really respect you when they find out that there is a class of Christians who not only do not hate them, but do not drink alcohol or eat pork as well!

That's nice.

Originally Posted By: Dr.Rich

I also agree that Jesus came to seek that which is lost, and those would include the Muslims too, wouldn't they?

That's nice.

Yes, Musliims do have a certain way about them that Adventists can relate to.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

"...I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some" ...unless they were too different or it was too expensive.

Oh, by all means, let us spread the gospel to the Muslims no matter how much it costs. They are such wonderful people.

[phkrause]

Originally Posted By: LifeHiscost

I shared the article with someone close, who happens to be a Christian of a different faith(other than Adventist). There immediate response was somewhat alluding to making a union with the devil.

I asked the question, do you believe the muslim is lost who is not a believer in Jesus as Lord. The answer was yes, when they were asked to restrict their answer to a yes or a no.

I asked them then, did they believe this Word.

"...for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”" Luke 19:10 NKJV

I did not voice the next question which would have been, "How would you propose we go about working with Jesus to accomplish that end re: the Muslim?". I did suggest the President of a major Christian faith would seem to be a very appropriate individual to visit a high ranking Shiek, especially when there are a number of mutual practical living attributes of both religions that would seem to enhance making friends, which I believe is one of Jesus' favorite, and in my opinion, best ways of reaching the heart.

Do you have thoughts on this?

Blessings!

I have noticed similar attitudes among many Christians of other denominations, including good friends of ours who belong to a Pentecostal church.

Muslims are not looked upon as lost human beings in need of a Saviour, and there are no plans to evangelize them or share the gospel with them as there are with every other non-Christian group . There are no missionaries to the Muslims.

They are seen as something sub-human, lower than animals even - more like demonic beings. The approach is to pray against them in the same way that they pray against demons and evil spirits.

Muslims are seen as an obstruction placed there by Satan to obstruct and prevent the Jews from reclaiming the "Holy Land" thus enabling end-time events (as they see them) to unfold.

Scripture texts about the children of Israel entering the promised land and slaughtering everything in their path to do so (including women and children) often get a mention in this context, and I am sure many Christians wish there was no legal impediment to deoing exactly the same.

Anybody, whether it is the UN or President Obama or Amnesty or any other person/group who tries to consider the Muslims/ Palestinians as actual human beings with rights and dignity like us, is immediately painted as an antichrist who is standing in the way of "God's plans."

I find all this disturbing and I am relieved and pleased that Adventists are taking a different approach.

And yes, I have Muslim friends and neighbors (close enough to eat at each other's houses regularly, and to have attended the birth of my neighbor's son). They really are human beings like you and I, and they do not have horns or tails. As Shakespeare would have put it; if you prick them they bleed, and if you tickle them they laugh.

And they really respect you when they find out that there is a class of Christians who not only do not hate them, but do not drink alcohol or eat pork as well!

aldona

There might not be any missionaries per se, but there are quite a number of people that work with and for Muslims.

pk

[LifeHiscost]

I am so pleased to see some seeing the Muslims as somebody to carry the gospel to. There is a program on satellite TV entitled, "Islam Reconsidered" that probably has an internet or web address and might be available by googling their logo.

It is not easy for me to see the Muslims in a kindly light, particularly after seeing the horrible recent activity some of them accomplish, as instructed in the Quran to do. However I don't see how we can ignore Jesus express instructions to those who profess His name, without denying the Christ in practice.

"....for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”"Luke 19:10 NKJV

OTOH when not too distant past history reveals, organized religion in the name of Christ, carried slaughter to uncounted

multitudes, perhaps we are seeing some of the principles of the universe being fulfilled.

"They sow the wind, And reap the whirlwind." Hosea 8:7 NKJV

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

It is not easy for me to see the Muslims in a kindly light, particularly after seeing the horrible recent activity some of them accomplish, as instructed in the Quran to do.

But those poor people just didn't understand what they were doing.. cutting off people's heads..well, that was just a fluke - we shouldn't remember that.