Is Mr. Obama is a Socialist

[bonnie]

Newsmax.com

By: Jennifer Harper

Certain robust public perceptions about President Obama have surfaced among average citizens rather than so-called "wingnuts" and "lunatic fringe."

A Harris Poll released Wednesday found that 40 percent of Americans say Mr. Obama is a socialist, a third think he's a Muslim, a quarter think he was not even born in the U.S., is not eligible to be president and is a "domestic enemy that the U.S. Constitution speaks of."

The pollster asked provocative questions indeed, with equally provocative findings.

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Among other things, the poll also found that three-out-of-10 Americans think Mr. Obama "wants to turn over the sovereignty of the U.S. to a one-world government." About an equal number - 29 percent - said he had "done many things that are unconstitutional" while 27 percent said "he resents America's heritage."

Between 20 percent and 23 percent said Mr. Obama is "a racist," "anti-American" and "is doing many of the things that Hitler did." Fourteen percent went so far as to agree that Mr. Obama "may be the anti-Christ" while 13 percent said "he wants the terrorists to win."

Predictably, there was a huge partisan divide. For example, 67 percent of both Republicans and conservatives said Mr. Obama was a socialist, compared with 14 percent of Democrats and 15 percent of liberals.

"The very large numbers of people who believe all these things of President Obama help to explain the size and strength of the 'tea party movement,' a topic that will be addressed in another Harris Poll in a few days time," said Harris Poll Chairman Humphrey Taylor.

"These new numbers are shocking but not surprising - they detail the extent to which 'wingnuts' are hijacking our politics. This poll should be a wake-up call to all Americans about the real costs of using fear and hate to pump up hyper-partisanship," John Avlon, author of "Wingnuts: How the Lunatic Fringe Is Hijacking America" told the Harris pollster.

"We are playing with dynamite by demonizing our president and dividing our country in the process. Americans need to remember the perspective that Wingnuts always forget - patriotism is more important than partisanship," Mr. Avlon said.

The findings garnered other critical - as well as comedic - reactions.

ABC News polling director Gary Langer questioned the "highly manipulative" and "unbalanced" polling practices in the survey of 2,320 adults, conducted online March 1-8.

The Hartford Courant newspaper assembled its own mock poll, quipping that "Republicans believe Obama is from Lovetron and therefore not eligible to be president." The poll also inspired late night comic and talk show host Jimmy Kimmel.

"Thirty eight percent believe hes like Hitler? How is that possible? He doesnt even have a mustache?" Mr. Kimmel demanded.

"MSNBC repeatedly hammered the incendiary findings of the Harris poll," said Scott Whitlock, an analyst at the conservative Media Research Center.

Anchors David Shuster and Dylan Ratigan pondered the findings. Mr. Shuster eventually said the poll suggested "that general hatred of President Obama on the right - which may be fueling the lunatic fringe - is more widespread than previously thought."

Mr. Whitlock questioned their close attention to the survey.

"One has to ask, why would MSNBC be so fascinated by the findings of an online poll? The Harris survey definitely paints Republicans and conservatives in a bad light. And that might account for MSNBC's intense interest," Mr. Whitlock said.

[Dr. Shane]

Of course Obama isn't a socialist. That is as silly as saying he is a Muslim.

[bonnie]

Of course Obama isn't a socialist. That is as silly as saying he is a Muslim.

I don't think anyone really knows what is religious ideology is.He certainly has not given any clear indication. It is not against the law to be a muslim. I am not sure what facts you are using to determine he is not.

Many do believe his political leanings are socialist in nature.

There is a lot to indicate that could be true

[Dr. Shane]

He is a Christian. He attended Reverend Wright's church for 20 years. He was married there and both of his children were baptized there. The answer is Christian. Or do we need President Obama to sing...

I am a C. I am a C - H. I am a C-H-R-I-S-T-I-A-N. Because I have C-H-R-I-S-T in my H-E-A-R-T and I will L-I-V-E E-T-E-R-N-A-L-L-Y.

[bonnie]

He is a Christian. He attended Reverend Wright's church for 20 years. He was married there and both of his children were baptized there. The answer is Christian. Or do we need President Obama to sing...

I am a C. I am a C - H. I am a C-H-R-I-S-T-I-A-N. Because I have C-H-R-I-S-T in my H-E-A-R-T and I will L-I-V-E E-T-E-R-N-A-L-L-Y.

I will have to look up black liberation theology as I thought that is what Revernd Wright was all about.

[bonnie]

Some of the American people probably thought they were voting for hope and change when they voted for President Barack Obama on Nov. 4, 2008. But according to Rev. Al Sharpton, they were voting for socialism.

Sharpton, the founder of the National Action Network and talk radio host told Fox News on March 21, during their special coverage of the House of Representatives' passage of health care reform legislation, this victory for President Barack Obama and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi would begin "transforming" the country.

"I think that the president and Nancy Pelosi get credit," Sharpton said. "I think this began the transforming of the country the way the president had promised. This is what he ran on."

And if that transformation is socialism, then so be it, he explained. That is what the American public "overwhelmingly" voted for.

[Dr. Shane]

I have never placed a lot of weight on what Al Shapton has to say.

[Dr. Shane]

I will have to look up black liberation theology as I thought that is what Reverend Wright was all about.

Are you suggesting that black Christians rap the "I am a C" song?

[bonnie]

I have never placed a lot of weight on what Al Shapton has to say.

You don't have to,many do

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened." (Norman Thomas, 1936 presidential candidate on the Socialist ticket)

[lazarus]

Originally Posted By: Shane

He is a Christian. He attended Reverend Wright's church for 20 years. He was married there and both of his children were baptized there. The answer is Christian. Or do we need President Obama to sing...

I am a C. I am a C - H. I am a C-H-R-I-S-T-I-A-N. Because I have C-H-R-I-S-T in my H-E-A-R-T and I will L-I-V-E E-T-E-R-N-A-L-L-Y.

I will have to look up black liberation theology as I thought that is what Reverand Wright was all about.

What does that mean? Rev Wright is the Pastor of Christian church!!!!

[bonnie]

Originally Posted By: bonnie

I will have to look up black liberation theology as I thought that is what Reverend Wright was all about.

Are you suggesting that black Christians rap the "I am a C" song?

Said nothing about black christians.

[bonnie]

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I will have to look up black liberation theology as I thought that is what Revernd Wright was all about.

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What deos that mean? Rev Wright is the Pastor of Christian church!!!!

You may consider what came out of the mouth of Rev Wright christian,I don't. Difference of opinion.

I am assuming the black liberation theology was the basis for much of his frothing at the mouth and damning america.

None of the black SDA or non SDA christians I have known would have wanted to affiliate themselves with this man.

[lazarus]

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I will have to look up black liberation theology as I thought that is what Revernd Wright was all about.

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What deos that mean? Rev Wright is the Pastor of Christian church!!!!

You may consider what came out of the mouth of Rev Wright christian,I don't. Difference of opinion.

I am assuming the black liberation theology was the basis for much of his frothing at the mouth and damning america.

None of the black SDA or non SDA christians I have known would have wanted to affiliate themselves with this man.

What has he said that's anti-Christian? Is America so HOLY that it cannot be criticized or even damned. The constitution is not the Bible. The founding fathers were not patriarchs. IF God can reject Israel he can surely reject America. Don't get patriotism mixed up with your Christianity.

How can you know about what Wright believes by watching fox news and the like. How can you judge 30 years of ministry through the medium of popular TV. Its sad when Christians equate their culture and politics with their Christianity

[lazarus]

Obama is not a socialist, he's not left wing enough. Obama would be a member of the conservative party in the UK.

[bonnie]

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What has he said that's anti-Christian? Is America so HOLY that it cannot be criticized or even damned. The constitution is not the Bible. The founding fathers were not patriarchs. IF God can reject Israel he can surely reject America. Don't get patriotism mixed up with your Christianity.

At the moment it is not worth going back and bringing up his words. We all heard them.Just depends on what you think is a christian message.

God will not reject America because of the demands of Rev Wright. Maybe we just see the looming end time events differently.I do believe I know what role america will play in the end.

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How can you know about what Wright believes by watching fox news and the like. How can you judge 30 years of ministry through the medium of popular TV. Its sad when Christians equate their culture and politics with their Christianity

You need a new crystal ball. In the past year I may have watched fox TV a total of 2 hours,TV is a bore as far as I am concerned. I do listen to the radio,but not as much as you will probably credit me with. I do read more than average

Rev Wright was judged by his words. If I had small children and a SDA pastor spewed what he had I would have been out the door in minutes.

Politics will play a very big role. Christianity and politics will not be two separate issues. In the end one is going to make it extremely difficult for the other,or at least I think so

It will take the government with it's might and power to control what they will control.

[bonnie]

SCHULTZ (30:58, initially responding to caller claiming "virtual war" between Dems and GOP): It is a cultural war that's taking place in America, you're exactly right. And it's being played out over the airwaves of America. And I hope the Democrats now turn to the Fairness Doctrine.

It's time now for the Democrats to consider the Fairness Doctrine when you've got Rush Limbaugh out there saying, it's, we've got to defeat these bastards. He is now openly admitting that he is going to work against and campaign against the Republican, against the Democratic Party and campaign against Obama, and he is motivating people with the microphone and he's electioneering. Keep on talking, Rushsky! Hell, maybe I'll get on 600 stations too, or how many you own or whatever.

The fact is, look, it's not a level playing field when it comes to the audio culture of the country. Ownership has its privileges. When you own, I will be honest, if I owned 500 stations, the drugster wouldn't be on any of 'em. And that's just where it's at right now. But maybe we have reached the point where the Congress needs to equal it out. Equal out the audience.

SCHULTZ (32:51): Just keep in mind, there aren't any poor people with microphones.

SCHULTZ (33:56): And so, I think that, you know, hell, if we're going to be socialist, let's be socialist all across the board.

[lazarus]

As far as the SDA church prophetic interpretation America is a tool of the devil. There is nothing more damning than that.

[bonnie]

Obama is not a socialist, he's not left wing enough. Obama would be a member of the conservative party in the UK.

We are not in the UK.Don't really care what group he may be a member of

[bonnie]

As far as the SDA church prophetic interpretation America is a tool of the devil. There is nothing more damning than that.

Yes it will,but we are not there yet. Still nowhere do I find we should do all we can to aid those wishing to rush us down that path.

Government control will become a reality. Aside from that,Rev Wright was not damning america because of the role america will play in end time events

[Dr. Shane]

Originally Posted By: bonnie

I will have to look up black liberation theology as I thought that is what Reverend Wright was all about.

What does that mean? Rev Wright is the Pastor of Christian church!!!!

I think what is being expressed is that black people don't sing the "I am a C" song. Perhaps Bonnie thinks they rap it.

[bonnie]

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I think what is being expressed is that black people don't sing the "I am a C" song. Perhaps Bonnie thinks they rap it.

We are talking about two specific black people. Your desire is to make it sound like I don't believe black people are christian.

[lazarus]

Bonnie, are you an SDA? just wondering.

[bonnie]

Bonnie, are you an SDA? just wondering.

That gave me a chuckle as I have wondered same concerning yourself.

Last time I checked I was.

That has what to do with this particular topic?

Obama claims to have not been aware after a couple of decades listening to this man. That simply cannot be true if Obama was conscious while attending services there.

After Rev Wright kept talking didn't take long for Obama to throw his religious mentor under the bus.

[lazarus]

I know full well that you are an SDA but the temptation is to questions someone's Christianity when they take a different cultural/political view of things.

Some may question my Adventism not because I've posted some contrary things about the Sabbath, the incarnation, the second coming of Jesus, the state of the dead, but because of my views about health care, socialism, racism etc.

I feel Falwell and Robertson and others on the right say some outrageous things but I don't question their belief in Christ because I disagree with them politically.

Believe it or not there will be Christian socilaists in heaven as well as Christian consevatives. Sarah Palin and Barak Obama may live on the same street.

[bonnie]

I know full well that you are an SDA but the temptation is to questions someone's Christianity when they take a different cultural/political view of things.

This is a bit beyond having a different political or cultural view of things.Just insert a SDA pastor for Rev Wright and Islam for the Jews

On June 9, 2009, in an interview with the Daily Press of Newport News, Adventist pastor indicated that he hadn't had contact with Obama up to that point because "Them muslims aren't going to let him talk to me. I told my baby daughter, that he'll talk to me in five years when he's a lame duck, or in eight years when he's out of office." Adventist pastor also suggested that Obama did not send a delegation to the Durban Review Conference in Geneva, a conference "that had devolved into an anti- muslim free for all" according to the Muslim Telegraphic Agency,[34] because of muslim pressure saying: "[T]he muslim vote, the A-I-P-A-C vote, that’s controlling him, that would not let him send representation to the Darfur Review Conference, that’s talking this craziness on this trip, cause they’re muslims, they would not let him talk to someone who calls a spade what it is."[7]

"In other words," another Atlantic writer, Jeffrey Goldberg, summarized, "[H]e regrets speaking plainly instead of deploying a euphemism."[38] The Anti Defamation League released a statement condemning Wright's remarks as "inflammatory and false. The notions of Jewish control of the White House in Reverend Wright's statement express classic anti-Semitism in its most vile form

This would not just be called a cultural difference as you well know.