BobRyan Posted March 30, 2010 Posted March 30, 2010 Someone recently sent this list of notes/comments about the healthcare bill to my email - =============================================== Senator Bayh, As a practicing physician I have major concerns with the health care bill before Congress. I actually have read the bill and am shocked by the brazenness of the government's proposed involvement in the patient-physician relationship. The very idea that the government will dictate and ration patient care is dangerous and certainly not helpful in designing a health care system that works for all. Every physician I work with agrees that we need to fix our health care system, but the proposed bills currently making their way through congress will be a disaster if passed. I ask you respectfully and as a patriotic American to look at the following troubling lines that I have read in the bill. You cannot possibly believe that these proposals are in the best interests of the country and our fellow citizens. Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self-insure!! Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill: THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get. Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!! Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you. You have no choice! Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise. Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals' finances & a 'National ID Health card' will be issued! (Papers please!) Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for elective funds transfer. (Time for more cash and carry) Page 65 Sec 164: Is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community organizations: (ACORN). Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the 'Exchange.' Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans -- The Govt will ration your health care! Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. (Translation: illegal aliens.) Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups (i.e. ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan. Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. (AARP members - your health care WILL be rationed!) Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. (No choice.) Page 12 4 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt monopoly. Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what salary you can make. Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!) Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees ANDtheir families. (Employees shouldn't get excited about this as employers will be forced to reduce its work force, benefits, and wages/salaries to cover such a huge expense.) Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option will pay 8% tax on all payroll! (See the last comment in parenthesis.) Page 150 Lines 9-13: A business with payroll between $251K & $401K who doesn't provide public option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll. Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income. Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.) (Like always) Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin.. will have access to ALL Americans' finances and personal records. (I guess so they can 'deduct' their fees) Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." (Yes, it really says that!) ( a 'fee' instead) Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors. (Low-income and the poor are affected.) Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors: It doesn't matter what specialty you have trained yourself in -- you will all be paid the same! (Just TRY to tell me that's not Socialism!) Page 253 Line 10-18: The Govt sets the value of a doctor's time, profession, judgment, etc. (Literally-- the value of humans.) Page 265 Sec 1131: The Govt mandates and controls productivity for "private" HC industries. Page 268 Sec 1141: The federal Govt regulates the rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs. Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing! Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever the Govt deems preventable (i.e..re-admissions). Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors: If you treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -- the Govt will penalize you. Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. (The Govt tells doctors what and how much they can own!) Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion. (The Govt is mandating that hospitals cannot expand.) Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have the opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. (Can you say ACORN?) Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: The Govt mandates establishment of=2 outcome-based measures. (HC the way they want -- rationing.) Page 341 Lines 3-9: The Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. (Forcing people into the Govt plan) Page 354 Sec 1177: The Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of 'special needs people!' Unbelievable! Page 379 Sec 1191: The Govt creates more bureaucracy via a "Tele-Health Advisory Committee." (Can you say HC by phone?) Page 425 Lines 4-12: The Govt mandates "Advance-Care Planning Consult." (Think senior citizens end-of-life patients.) Page 425 Lines 17-19: The Govt will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. (And it's mandatory!) Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: The Govt provides an "approved" list of end-of-life resources; guiding you in death. (Also called 'assisted suicide.')(Sounds like Soylent Green to me.) Page 427 Lines 15-24: The Govt mandates a program for orders on "end-of-life." (The Govt has a say in how your life ends!) Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced-care planning consultant" will be used frequently as a patient's health deteriorates. Page 429 Lines 10-12: An "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans.. (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?) Page 429 Lines 13-25: The GOVT will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.. (I wouldn't want to stand before God after getting paid for THAT job!) Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end-of-life! (Again -- no choice!) Page 469: Community-Based Home Medical Services = Non-Profit Organizations. (Hello? ACORN Medical Services here!?!) Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover marriage and family therapy. (Which means Govt will insert itself into your marriage even.) Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services. ==================== Thoughts? Quote John 8:32 - The Truth will make you free“The righteousness of Christ will not cover one cherished sin." COL 316.
karl Posted March 30, 2010 Posted March 30, 2010 Health care is the holy grail of socialism. Those leading out in this demogoguery know that if they get health care they will eventually have it all. Once you turn your body over to the state, what else is there? Your mind. There are so few in our nation that are keeping their minds now - doing their homework - it will be a small step to surrender completely. And why not? It is so much easier just to let the mainstream do your thinking for you. No decisions. No angst. It will be just wonderful until this demotivated system grinds down to the level of Cuba. It is only when there is not enough food that people wake up, and then they are prisoners. Quote
BobRyan Posted March 30, 2010 Author Posted March 30, 2010 I notice that in the case of Cuba and Canada (with their hate thought crimes) - the socialist system does not stop at telling you what level of health you can have - they also tell you what thoughts you are allowed to think. in Christ, Bob Quote John 8:32 - The Truth will make you free“The righteousness of Christ will not cover one cherished sin." COL 316.
GreatLakesGramma Posted March 30, 2010 Posted March 30, 2010 That email was going around last year. Probably some of what actually passed is the same, but none of the above is necessarily a part of the final bill. It would be much more productive if you could find up to date information to post. Quote Catherine God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever. Psalm 73:26. "To be a Christian means to forgive the inexcusable, because God has forgiven the inexcusable in you." -- C. S. Lewis
karl Posted March 30, 2010 Posted March 30, 2010 I notice that in the case of Cuba and Canada (with their hate thought crimes) - the socialist system does not stop at telling you what level of health you can have - they also tell you what thoughts you are allowed to think. in Christ, Bob We already have that to a certain extent. Political correctness. The news will pillory people for expressing thoughts out of their mainstream. (Sarah Palin is a good example.) Don't you dare think for yourself. We will do your thinking for you. Quote
Moderators Bravus Posted March 30, 2010 Moderators Posted March 30, 2010 "Obama's not a brown-skinned, anti-war socialist who gives away free healthcare. You're thinking of Jesus" - John Fugelsang Quote Truth is important
karl Posted March 30, 2010 Posted March 30, 2010 "Obama's not a brown-skinned, anti-war socialist who gives away free healthcare. You're thinking of Jesus" - John Fugelsang Nothing is free unless he who gives it is God. Otherwise, someone must pay. "The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If 'Thou shalt not covet" and 'Thou shalt not steal' were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free." -John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America, 1787. Quote
Moderators lazarus Posted March 30, 2010 Moderators Posted March 30, 2010 Wow, I just realized that I grew up in the socialist state of the United Kingdom. That Margret Thatcher, she was a socialist after all!! Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
karl Posted March 30, 2010 Posted March 30, 2010 Wow, I just realized that I grew up in the socialist state of the United Kingdom. That Margret Thatcher, she was a socialist after all!! She presided over a socialist system, but she didn't create it, and she worked hard to swing things back toward capitalism. In a television interview for Thames TV "This Week" on February 5, 1976. Prime Minister Thatcher said, "...and Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them." Quote
Moderators lazarus Posted March 30, 2010 Moderators Posted March 30, 2010 I don't think any one with real understanding of UK politics would concluded that it was/is a socialist system. During her premiership, there was a house of Lords, unelected peers and life peers, a queen. Hardly socialist. What is socialist about the UK system of government? Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
karl Posted March 30, 2010 Posted March 30, 2010 I don't think any one with real understanding of UK politics would concluded that it was/is a socialist system. During her premiership, there was a house of Lords, unelected peers and life peers, a queen. Hardly socialist. What is socialist about the UK system of government? Margaret Thatcher on the National Health Service: "I, along with something like 5 million other people, insure to enable me to go into hospital on the day I want; at the time I want, and with a doctor I want." Answering questions at a general election news conference (4 June, 1987). Mrs Thatcher had been asked if she trusted the Health Service enough to put herself in its hands, a reference to her use of private health insurance. Quote
Moderators lazarus Posted March 30, 2010 Moderators Posted March 30, 2010 You could always go to see, any doctor you wanted at any time you wanted, except that you had to pay. My mother used private insurance sometimes. That's ok right? So, what about the socialist government of the UK? Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Moderators John317 Posted March 30, 2010 Moderators Posted March 30, 2010 The people of the United States don't view socialism in the same way that the British do. You might say "socialism" is a completely different animal in England/Australia/Canada and Europe than it is in the United States. That's because each of our countries has a different political history and different understanding of freedom, and these have greatly influenced the way we see socialism. Socialism and socialistic ideas [for instance, fabianism] in England have a long and rich history, and it has typically been democratic and relatively peaceful. We, on the other hand, have never seen socialism in this way. If one looks at the history of socialism in this country, he will see a clear pattern of socialism's association with Marxism-Leninism and world revolution. That's been the history of most of the socialist organizations in the United States. For us, therefore, socialism means government taking freedom from the people. It means government taking the individual's rights and property away, and substituting the government's authority in place of the private citizens. Americans generally want the means of production and propety to remain in private hands. Most Americans want the federal government to be as unintrusive as possible. There's the saying, "The best government is that which governs least." A major difference between how Americans see socialism and how the British see it is shown by the fact that there are millions of Americans who would take up arms against any power which attempts to establish socialism in this country against the will of the people. The way Americans see it is that we didn't go through the Cold War and win it against communism only in order become a socialistic state ourselves. In their view, anyone would be considered a traitor to this country who tries to bring socialism into our governmental system. I think that if the American government is going to become socialistic in any way, it should be because the American people are told directly of it and are given an opportunity to debate it and vote one way or the other. Socialism shouldn't be brought in under the table or through any means that is not completely above board, and straightforward. It should label itself for what it is. Socialists should say openly they are socialists and not be elected as something else and then reveal by their actions that they are socialistic. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Moderators lazarus Posted March 30, 2010 Moderators Posted March 30, 2010 I think perception is the key word here. If the UK is socialist then so is the USA. There is a lot of ignorance about life in Europe. I had a conversation with someone over Thanksgiving and they were telling me about socialist life in the UK. Here we some of the things they said: Its almot impossible buy land in the UK. It's hard to own a house. It's hard to set up a company. The PM has the power to "just make laws" The UK system of government is "winner take all" so the opposition has no power. The government is centralized. The government runs everything. Education is run by the central government. Health is run by the central government You can't get operations.. etc. These are all false. The ignorance was stunning. The ignorance about the nature of socialism is equally stunning. Do you think that Brits would not fight to stop a take over of their government. What was WW2 about, come on!!!!! Quote: think that if the American government is going to become socialistic in any way, Socialistic???? What does the American system of government of system have that the UK system doesn't have, lets get specific. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
karl Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 Excellent comparison, Lazarus. Yes, the USA has gradually become more socialistic since the introduction of the income tax. Why are we not fighting the gradual usurpation of every aspect of life by the government? Because it is easier not to. Laziness. There is a common misconception that it is the government's job to protect our liberty. This is a lie. When it comes to protecting liberty, the government is the enemy from which liberty must be protected. The government long ago figured out that as long as we were physically comfortable and had enough to eat, we would probably not revolt or even care much what it was doing. One of the first things it did in its inexorable growth was to subsidize the food industry, so that the populace would always have full stomachs. Our country becomes more socialist with each new tax and each tax increase. Here is a list of some of the taxes imposed in the last 100 years. Accounts Receivable Tax Building Permit Tax Capital Gains Tax CDL license Tax Cigarette Tax Corporate Income Tax Court Fines (indirect taxes) Dog License Tax Federal Income Tax Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA) Fishing License Tax Food License Tax Fuel permit tax Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon) Hunting License Tax Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money) Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax) IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax) Liquor Tax Local Income Tax Luxury Taxes Marriage License Tax Medicare Tax Property Tax Real Estate Tax Septic Permit Tax Service Charge Taxes Social Security Tax Road Usage Taxes (Truckers) Sales Taxes Recreational Vehicle Tax Road Toll Booth Taxes School Tax State Income Tax State Unemployment Tax (SUTA) Telephone federal excise tax Telephone federal universal service fee tax Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax Telephone state and local tax Telephone usage charge tax Toll Bridge Taxes Toll Tunnel Taxes Trailer Registration Tax Utility Taxes Vehicle License Registration Tax Vehicle Sales Tax Watercraft Registration Tax Well Permit Tax Workers Compensation Tax Quote
Members phkrause Posted April 1, 2010 Members Posted April 1, 2010 Excellent comparison, Lazarus. Yes, the USA has gradually become more socialistic since the introduction of the income tax. Why are we not fighting the gradual usurpation of every aspect of life by the government? Because it is easier not to. Laziness. There is a common misconception that it is the government's job to protect our liberty. This is a lie. When it comes to protecting liberty, the government is the enemy from which liberty must be protected. The government long ago figured out that as long as we were physically comfortable and had enough to eat, we would probably not revolt or even care much what it was doing. One of the first things it did in its inexorable growth was to subsidize the food industry, so that the populace would always have full stomachs. Our country becomes more socialist with each new tax and each tax increase. Here is a list of some of the taxes imposed in the last 100 years. Accounts Receivable Tax Building Permit Tax Capital Gains Tax CDL license Tax Cigarette Tax Corporate Income Tax Court Fines (indirect taxes) Dog License Tax Federal Income Tax Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA) Fishing License Tax Food License Tax Fuel permit tax Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon) Hunting License Tax Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money) Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax) IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax) Liquor Tax Local Income Tax Luxury Taxes Marriage License Tax Medicare Tax Property Tax Real Estate Tax Septic Permit Tax Service Charge Taxes Social Security Tax Road Usage Taxes (Truckers) Sales Taxes Recreational Vehicle Tax Road Toll Booth Taxes School Tax State Income Tax State Unemployment Tax (SUTA) Telephone federal excise tax Telephone federal universal service fee tax Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax Telephone state and local tax Telephone usage charge tax Toll Bridge Taxes Toll Tunnel Taxes Trailer Registration Tax Utility Taxes Vehicle License Registration Tax Vehicle Sales Tax Watercraft Registration Tax Well Permit Tax Workers Compensation Tax They have to make a living don't they! LOL What a joke, and I think its on us! pk Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Dr. Shane Posted April 1, 2010 Posted April 1, 2010 It is hard to say only the rich pay taxes when we actually see how many taxes we pay. Indeed, the rich are not carrying the rest of the country. We all pay our fair share. God bless America. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
karl Posted April 1, 2010 Posted April 1, 2010 It is hard to say only the rich pay taxes when we actually see how many taxes we pay. Indeed, the rich are not carrying the rest of the country. We all pay our fair share. God bless America. Actually it is still true that the rich carry the rest of us. We all pay the same plethora of little taxes and fees, but the rich are WAY out there on the largest taxes - on property, sales tax on big ticket items and tax on income. Their taxes are higher because they own more property, buy more expensive things, and make more money. The income taxes on the rich are amazingly higher than ours and the percentage they pay is climbing, contrary to campaign rhetoric. The bottom 50% of the income ladder pays only 4% of all income taxes. The top 10% of the income ladder (those making over $113K/yr) pays 71% of all income taxes. Quote
Dr. Shane Posted April 1, 2010 Posted April 1, 2010 Wrong... that really just sounds like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Glen Beck talking points. The combined income of the middle class is much larger than the combined income of the upper class. The upper class pay their fair share indeed... but so do the middle class. The fact is that all of the income of the upper-class combined isn't enough to fund the government even if the government took it all. The middle class is essential to paying the tax bill. The government knows that and that is why so many of the taxes on the middle class are hidden. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
karl Posted April 2, 2010 Posted April 2, 2010 From Wikipedia: As of 2007, there are about 138 million taxpayers in the United States. The Treasury Department in 2006 reported, based on Internal Revenue Service (IRS) data, the share of federal income taxes paid by taxpayers of various income levels. The data shows the progressive tax structure of the U.S. federal income tax system on individuals that reduces the tax incidence of people with smaller incomes, as they shift the incidence disproportionately to those with higher incomes - the top 0.1% of taxpayers by income pay 17.4% of federal income taxes (earning 9.1% of the income), the top 1% with gross income of $328,049 or more pay 36.9% (earning 19%), the top 5% with gross income of $137,056 or more pay 57.1% (earning 33.4%), and the bottom 50% with gross income of $30,122 or less pay 3.3% (earning 13.4%). Quote
Dr. Shane Posted April 2, 2010 Posted April 2, 2010 More Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck talking points. I would say thanks but I already heard those talking points before. Yes. Let me say that again. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Just so that no one has to post the talking points again: yes. I know the wealthy pay the greatest amount of federal income tax. Of course we all know that federal income tax is only a fraction of the revenues the government collects through taxes. 45% of federal revenue comes from income tax. 36% comes from the Social Security tax and the middle class carry most of that burden. 12% comes from corporate income tax which is paid for by the consumers of corporate goods. 7% comes from various other taxes like that on gasoline and telephone service. Now if one wants to start talking about state and local taxes the middle class is again the ones carrying the water. The fat man dances while the thin man pays the band. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
karl Posted April 5, 2010 Posted April 5, 2010 Of course we all know that federal income tax is only a fraction of the revenues the government collects through taxes. 45% of federal revenue comes from income tax. 36% comes from the Social Security tax and the middle class carry most of that burden. 12% comes from corporate income tax which is paid for by the consumers of corporate goods. 7% comes from various other taxes like that on gasoline and telephone service. Now if one wants to start talking about state and local taxes the middle class is again the ones carrying the water. The fat man dances while the thin man pays the band. Is there a rule about being disingenuous here? 45%, as far as fractions go, is a pretty good sized fraction. Everybody (who still goes to work) in this country pays SS/Medicare tax, which is the same (12.4% up to $106,800 in income per year.) Self-employed people pay the entire amount. Employed people split it with their employers. Medicare tax is a flat 2.9% with no income ceiling. How does that translate to the middle class paying more? Middle class pays less. The less you make the less you pay. Only if a rich person manages to consume less than a poor or middle class person does he pay less of the multitude of "use" taxes like those on gasoline, telephone, electricity. What are the chances that the rich will consume less? Concerning state taxes: personal income tax systems vary widely across states, leading to different levels of progressivity. Forty-three states and the District of Columbia have an individual income tax. Eight of these states apply a single tax rate to all taxable income, while the remaining states have multiple tax brackets and rates. The key word in the flat tax states is "taxable income." Some income is not taxable. Therefore, even in flat tax states, the higher the income, the greater the tax. There is no case being made here for the middle class paying more than the rich. The rich pay more compared to the middle class. Quote
Dr. Shane Posted April 6, 2010 Posted April 6, 2010 Cold-hearted conservatives (not the compassionate ones) continuously misrepresent the facts. They refer to the federal income tax as if that is the only tax anyone pays. It is less than 50% of federal revenues!!! Our tax system is fair. Everyone pays the same in each tax bracket. I pay the same taxes on my first $20,000 of income as anyone else with the same number of dependents. I pay the same on my second $20,000 of income as anyone else with the same number of dependents. I pay the same on my third $20,000 of income as anyone else with the same number of dependents. And so on up the economic ladder. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
karl Posted April 6, 2010 Posted April 6, 2010 Cold-hearted conservatives (not the compassionate ones) continuously misrepresent the facts. Our tax system is fair. Everyone pays the same in each tax bracket. Nice dodge, Shane. This was not what was under discussion. Let's try some truth here. We weren't comparing what rich people pay to what other rich people in their same bracket were paying. What would be the point? There is no point to what you posted above. We were looking at the fact that the bracket for the rich is, in the case of income tax, a higher percentage than the bracket for the middle class. If a person makes twice as much money as another person does, he pays a higher percentage on ALL of his taxable income. He does not pay the same on the first $20k as the person who makes less. Why are you posting this bogus stuff? Quote
Dr. Shane Posted April 6, 2010 Posted April 6, 2010 I think Billy Joel was right when he said honesty is such a lonely word. I pay the same amount of tax on my first $20,000 of income as a CEO making $10 million/year with four dependents does on his fist $20,000 of income. Now that CEO pays more taxes than I do but not on his first $20,000, second $20,000 or third $20,000 of income. Quote: If a person makes twice as much money as another person does, he pays a higher percentage on ALL of his taxable income. He does not pay the same on the first $20k as the person who makes less. That is incorrect. Each tax bracket has its own rate. For example: (This is only a hypothetical example) $1 - $10,000 - 0% $10,000 - $20,000 - 5% $20,000 - $40,000 - 10% $40,000 - $60,000 - 15% $60,000 - $80,000 - 20% $80,000 - $100,000 - 25% $100,000 - $150,000 - 30% $150,000 - $250,000 - 35% $250,000+ - 38% Now it isn't that simple because there are various tax credits, deductions, etc. But that is the basic idea. Check out this link: Tax Brackets Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
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