Overaged Posted May 2, 2010 Posted May 2, 2010 After researching and studying all of EGW's books, I also found her to have the same type of problems that Ron had, namely not supporting her visions with solid evidence from the bible. Take the Ballinger case for instance--she could NOT give ONE text in scripture to support her vision on the Investigative Judgment. Her letter back to Ballinger is something you should read for yourself. I would appreciate hearing you explain a bit about what specifically in this "Ballenger letter" would prove what you are saying re that Ellen White could not/did not support her vision on the Investigative Judgment by even one scripture verse? Quote "People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)"I cannot know why suddenly the stormshould rage so fiercely round me in it's wrathBut this I know: God watches all my pathAnd I can trust""God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - OveragedFaith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ
Overaged Posted May 2, 2010 Posted May 2, 2010 The supernatural events that surrounded Ellen White convince me that she was either a genuine prophet or a false prophet. She was not merely a confused but kind lady. The fact that her written works, and the life she lived, point people to Christ crucified as the Savior of the world and salvation by grace through faith is what convinces me she was genuine. That is not to say I believe she didn't make mistakes, even in her writing. She may have even misunderstood some visions she was given. I don't hold her writings on the same level as Scripture and am quite sure she didn't intend for them to be. Shane; this was an excellent post. I agree with what you said about how Ellen White's writings and ministry have pointed so many to Christ. I can personally name a number of non-Adventists who were/are drawn to Christ through the ministry of her written word. Quote "People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)"I cannot know why suddenly the stormshould rage so fiercely round me in it's wrathBut this I know: God watches all my pathAnd I can trust""God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - OveragedFaith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ
nuff sed Posted May 2, 2010 Posted May 2, 2010 I received this last week from Jerry Bowen, Director of Anchorstone International......"Nuff sed.....:Subject: report of Randall Price on the Chinese 'discovery' of a Bogus Ark Thanks to fellow creation specialist Teno Groppi for providing this update on the report that I sent you recently. You may want to share this with your contacts. dp Dear Friends, Many of you have seen the preliminary news announcement of an alleged discovery of Noah's Ark by a Chinese expedition team and asked me for clarification. I knew this was coming and have been praying about how to respond. I was the archaeologist with the Chinese expedition in the summer of 2008 and was given photos of what they now are reporting to be the inside of the Ark. I and my partners invested $100,000 in this expedition (described below) which they have retained, despite their promise and our requests to return it, since it was not used for the expedition. The information given below is my opinion based on what I have seen and heard (from others who claim to have been eyewitnesses or know the exact details). To make a long story short: this is all reported to be a fake. The photos were reputed to have been taken off site near the Black Sea, but the film footage the Chinese now have was shot on location on Mt. Ararat. In the late summer of 2008 ten Kurdish workers hired by Parasut, the guide used by the Chinese, are said to have planted large wood beams taken from an old structure in the Black Sea area (where the photos were originally taken) at the Mt. Ararat site. In the winter of 2008 a Chinese climber taken by Parasut's men to the site saw the wood, but couldn't get inside because of the severe weather conditions. During the summer of 2009 more wood was planted inside a cave at the site. The Chinese team went in the late summer of 2009 (I was there at the time and knew about the hoax) and was shown the cave with the wood and made their film. As I said, I have the photos of the inside of the so-called Ark (that show cobwebs in the corners of rafters - something just not possible in these conditions) and our Kurdish partner in Dogubabyazit (the village at the foot of Mt. Ararat) has all of the facts about the location, the men who planted the wood, and even the truck that transported it. To my knowledge, the Chinese took no professional archaeologist or geologist who could verify or document the wood or the structure in situ (in its place of discovery). They were duped in 2006-2007 by Parasut when they were shown a similar cave with something they thought was wood. I met the Chinese when I went with a team of geologists to examine the "wood" in Dogubabyazit and to report that it was volcanic rock (called "tuff") and not wood. Thereafter, since the Chinese were apparently able to get permits to climb in previously off-limit sites, I and two other professionals joined with the Chinese (bringing our own independent satellite data) and went with them to Mt. Ararat in 2008. During that expedition, the guide Parasut who claimed to have found the Ark, was constantly drunk and after one month sitting in a hotel waiting, the expedition never happened. It was at this time that I made contact with Dr. Richard Bright who has climbed Mt. Ararat 33 times in search of the Ark and with several others climbed the western side of Mt. Ararat with a shepherd (who had recently been discovered by Dr. Bright's Kurdish partner) who knew the location of a piece of the Ark. Last year we had a good expedition to a higher site (the satellite site) and this summer we will excavate the shepherd's site and have every reason to expect success. I am sorry to have to report that this is apparently a fake (and I am sure that the Chinese do not know this, but they do not respond to my e-mails), however, we do hope soon to have the real thing. I encourage your prayers for me and others who will have to explain this "discovery" to many others - because negative reports are never well received and motives are questioned, especially when those doing so are part of a competitive expedition. But we do not want people to reject the truth of the Bible because another Noah's Ark report turns out to be false. We prefer to as clear upfront in our reporting as possible so Christians (and others) can make up their own minds. I hope that this will be helpful to you at this time, Randall Price Archaeologist Ark Search LLC Expedition Quote
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