BREAKING NEWS HUGE RECALL OF TOILET PAPER

[doug yowell]

You know those liberals may have found a way to make bio-fuel from the waste products of paper making.

I think it is far better to work together for solutions than to posture and threaten.

Hey cardw, I'm with you on this one.What's gonna work? Teamwork! If what you say is true, this is doable. We use more TP so the maker can produce more TP. Producing more TP results in a greater supply of waste products from making more TP. A greater supply of paper waste biproducts increases the supply of bio-fuel. More bio-fuel will help unclog the drain of other natural resources which unduely perferate much of today's product, wiping out the movement to actually reduce TP consumption. The result: an industry,not gone to pot,but rather, flushed with success and on a roll.Conservatives and liberals working together.

[cardw]

Originally Posted By: cardw

Wow Karl, you guys are a pretty angry bunch.

You know those liberals may have found a way to make bio-fuel from the waste products of paper making.

I think it is far better to work together for solutions than to posture and threaten.

Actually we're pretty relaxed until gummint agents and their liberal supporters show up with mandates.

That's when we clean up the old muskets and review our American history.

You're welcome to come here and spout your rhetoric, but if there's going to be anybody forcing anybody to do stuff, it'll be us forcing you to get on down the road.

Wow, that's pretty violent for someone who calls themselves a Christian. I suggest co-operation and you suggest forcing me at gunpoint down on the road.

I suggest a solution for your paper waste and you respond with a threat of violence.

Karl, this just illustrates why I have no respect for many Christians. They certainly aren't following any teachings of Christ that I know about.

[karl]

Wow, that's pretty violent for someone who calls themselves a Christian. I suggest co-operation and you suggest forcing me at gunpoint down on the road.

I suggest a solution for your paper waste and you respond with a threat of violence.

Karl, this just illustrates why I have no respect for many Christians. They certainly aren't following any teachings of Christ that I know about.

My apologies, Rich. Please post your solution to our problems here and I will make sure it gets to the people who can implement it. Both the administrators and the workers at the various plants are my patients and they will listen to any viable solution you want me to pass on to them.

[olger]

I have a mandate? I have rhetoric?

Wow. I must be higher in the political game than I thought.

Go wash your hands, Travis (and dry them on your pants).

And drop the annoying carnival barker mySpace personna.

[cardw]

Originally Posted By: cardw

Wow, that's pretty violent for someone who calls themselves a Christian. I suggest co-operation and you suggest forcing me at gunpoint down on the road.

I suggest a solution for your paper waste and you respond with a threat of violence.

Karl, this just illustrates why I have no respect for many Christians. They certainly aren't following any teachings of Christ that I know about.

My apologies, Rich. Please post your solution to our problems here and I will make sure it gets to the people who can implement it. Both the administrators and the workers at the various plants are my patients and they will listen to any viable solution you want me to pass on to them.

Here is a link to an article on the possibility of paper plants and biofuel plants being at the same location.

Techreview Clean Burning biofuel from paper production waste

and an article on an american company using this technology

Pulp to fuel

[doug yowell]

Originally Posted By: cardw

Wow, that's pretty violent for someone who calls themselves a Christian. I suggest co-operation and you suggest forcing me at gunpoint down on the road.

I suggest a solution for your paper waste and you respond with a threat of violence.

Karl, this just illustrates why I have no respect for many Christians. They certainly aren't following any teachings of Christ that I know about.

My apologies, Rich. Please post your solution to our problems here and I will make sure it gets to the people who can implement it. Both the administrators and the workers at the various plants are my patients and they will listen to any viable solution you want me to pass on to them.

The use of MORE TP will help solve the employment problem as well as lowering the anxiety levels of it's users. Can you imagine the stress created as a result of knowing that you only had one square to work with???

[karl]

Here is a link to an article on the possibility of paper plants and biofuel plants being at the same location.

Techreview Clean Burning biofuel from paper production waste

and an article on an american company using this technology

Pulp to fuel

[cardw]

Unproven hopes at present.

And there is this:

Quote:

A big factor, she said, is the Obama administration's push for renewable energy through tax breaks, loan guarantees and millions of dollars in grants, with more support expected in upcoming energy bills.

"If one believed that ultimately this would peter out and green energy would become less of a focus going forward, this would be a very risky investment because truthfully pricing will be dependent on supply and demand. If it is not forced as a mandate, then I think the pricing won't be there," she said.

Of course it's a risk. Nothing is proven in a capitalistic system. Unless you want communism, you aren't going to get any guarantees. The point of the grants is to get the infrastructure in place which reduces start up costs and the risks.

Now I find it interesting that there is no complaining when the government gives the paper industry 6.5 billion of our tax dollars. This is more than their total profit for the year. Where are the tea party protesters? Talk about socialistic support!!! And we get no benefit from this at all. At least we get clean energy from the new subsidies. Here is a blog post on this..

6.5 billion tax dollars go to the paper industry

In the short run you will note that one paper mill is powering their facility with their own waste. Eventually we want to be using primarily solar and wind power with efficient storage, but that is going to take a while. Plus these types of fuels can be used in fuel cells where solar and wind are impractical.

It's at least worth looking into. How we make paper is going to have to change eventually and the more we go to paperless systems the less demand there is going to be for paper. So paper mills are going to have to get creative or they die. That's how capitalism works. Supply and demand.

Here are some more recent articles on projects in place...

Paper pulp to Jet fuel

Cellulosic biofuel

Wikipedia on cellulosic biofuel

[karl]

Now I find it interesting that there is no complaining when the government gives the paper industry 6.5 billion of our tax dollars.

I'm opposed to it, but knew nothing of it. This is another trouble with government being involved in so many aspects of life. You just can't keep up with it all.

The article was a little difficult to follow, but I got the impression that these handouts ended last year. If not, I'll be lobbying against them. I'm against any business that has to be propped up by government. That is a prescription for power abuse.

[karl]

I am absolutely disgusted by this, Rich.

Since the 1930s the overwhelming majority of paper mills have employed what's called the kraft process to produce paper. Here's how it works. Wood chips are cooked in a chemical solution to separate the cellulose fibers, which are used to make paper, from the other organic material in wood. The remaining liquid, a sludge containing lignin (the structural glue that binds plant cells together), is called black liquor. Because it's so rich in carbon, black liquor is a good fuel; the kraft process uses the black liquor to produce the heat and energy necessary to transform pulp into paper. It's a neat, efficient process that's cost-effective without any government subsidy.

Buried in a transportation bill whose manifest intent was to reduce dependence on fossil fuel is a provision for a tax credit to companies which combine alternative fuels with fossil fuels. Paper mills are adding diesel fuel to a process that requires none in order to qualify for the tax credit. In other words, we are paying the industry--handsomely--to use more fossil fuel. "Which is," as a Goldman Sachs report archly noted, the "opposite of what lawmakers likely had in mind when the tax credit was established."

By adding diesel fuel to the black liquor, paper companies produce a mixture that qualifies for the mixed-fuel tax credit, allowing them to burn "black liquor into gold," as a JPMorgan report put it. It's unclear who first came up with the idea but at some point last fall IP and Verso, another paper company, formerly a part of IP, began adding diesel to its black liquor and applied to the IRS for the credit. (Verso nabbed $29.7 million at just one of its mills in the final quarter of 2008 for its use of mixed fuel.)

I have some more letter writing in my future.

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BREAKING NEWS HUGE RECALL OF TOILET PAPER. 53% of all rolls are 'unrolling under' and need to be returned before the end of the week. All manufactures are expecting billions of rolls to come back because of this defect. PLEASE copy and paste this on your facebook, myspace, blog or forum. Together we can make a difference and stop the insanity.

I won't worry about any of this. We have a bunch of Sears Catalogues in the attic. We know how to prepare for a crises.

[Overaged]

Question: hey! How many Adventists does it take to change a roll of toilet paper?

Answer: I don't know! it has NEVER happened!

[doug yowell]

Question: hey! How many Adventists does it take to change a roll of toilet paper?

Answer: I don't know! it has NEVER happened!

I love it!

[doug yowell]

I am absolutely disgusted by this, Rich.

Since the 1930s the overwhelming majority of paper mills have employed what's called the kraft process to produce paper. Here's how it works. Wood chips are cooked in a chemical solution to separate the cellulose fibers, which are used to make paper, from the other organic material in wood. The remaining liquid, a sludge containing lignin (the structural glue that binds plant cells together), is called black liquor. Because it's so rich in carbon, black liquor is a good fuel; the kraft process uses the black liquor to produce the heat and energy necessary to transform pulp into paper. It's a neat, efficient process that's cost-effective without any government subsidy.

Buried in a transportation bill whose manifest intent was to reduce dependence on fossil fuel is a provision for a tax credit to companies which combine alternative fuels with fossil fuels. Paper mills are adding diesel fuel to a process that requires none in order to qualify for the tax credit. In other words, we are paying the industry--handsomely--to use more fossil fuel. "Which is," as a Goldman Sachs report archly noted, the "opposite of what lawmakers likely had in mind when the tax credit was established."

By adding diesel fuel to the black liquor, paper companies produce a mixture that qualifies for the mixed-fuel tax credit, allowing them to burn "black liquor into gold," as a JPMorgan report put it. It's unclear who first came up with the idea but at some point last fall IP and Verso, another paper company, formerly a part of IP, began adding diesel to its black liquor and applied to the IRS for the credit. (Verso nabbed $29.7 million at just one of its mills in the final quarter of 2008 for its use of mixed fuel.)

I have some more letter writing in my future.

Should be an easy paper trail to follow, Karl.

[aldona]

Question: hey! How many Adventists does it take to change a roll of toilet paper?

Answer: I don't know! it has NEVER happened!

Or:

Answer: CHANGE??! Did you say "CHANGE"!!!??!!

(scurries off to stock up the toilet with EcoPly)

You folks should come to Australia. Our range of environmentally friendly toilet papers is growing all the time and the cost is coming down. There are now super-soft, three-ply, quilted, unbleached, low-allergy and other varieties, made from all kinds of stuff from shredded office paper to cotton textile waste and the part of the sugar cane that is left over when sugar is made.

I'm even trialling some sugar cane paper in my printer at home.

(It's becoming easier and easier to be green!)

But the matter of toilet rolls unrolling the wrong way is still a serious one.

I get around it by using those faulty rolls in the other toilet at the other end of the house. (It faces the other way.)

AJ

[SivartM]

I saw paper made of elephant dung... heavily processed, of course. It smelled quite non-dungish.

Of course, such things will only contribute to the starvation of poor tree-farming children.

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quote=Overaged]Question: hey! How many Adventists does it take to change a roll of toilet paper?

Answer: I don't know! it has NEVER happened! /quote]

Or:

Answer: CHANGE??! Did you say "CHANGE"!!!??!!

(scurries off to stock up the toilet with EcoPly)

But the matter of toilet rolls unrolling the wrong way is still a serious one.

I get around it by using those faulty rolls in the other toilet at the other end of the house. (It faces the other way.)

AJ

LOL, "Eco-Ply" sounds like something that would result in those "little white pieces..."

But seriously, which is the RIGHT WAY for the roll to unwind? And how do we know this?

[Overaged]

All this talk does raise questions.

With which way should it unroll in this outhouse that I took a picture of at a local construction site a while ago?

[doug yowell]

All this <img src="http://www.thelightofhisword.com/kilroy1.gif"> talk does raise questions.

With <img src="http://www.thelightofhisword.com/paper1.gif"> which way should it unroll in this outhouse that I took a picture of at a local construction site a while ago?

<img src="http://www.thelightofhisword.com/outh1.gif">

Good question. Ask the guy who comes out which way he'd prefer. Then check and make sure that the standing one hasn't had it's rolls already recalled.