Far to the white

[lazarus]

If Democratic majorities survive the backlash against big government in this election cycle, it will be because Republicans, the party of the right, became the Party of White.......

A party that alienates racial minorities will justly be made a political minority, so the Republican response to what’s happening in Arizona will be a defining moment.

While there are many policies that undercut the support of minorities for Republicans -- from opposition to affirmative action to regional support for the Confederate flag -- immigration is clearly the brewing Republican problem among Hispanic Americans. Republicans like Arizona Governor Jan Brewer have too often appeared hostile to immigrants.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=a_Vn8U59GoII

[John317]

I think the law in Arizona is a bad law, but having lived in Arizona, I understand why it was passed. They do need to do something about the illegal immigrants but not this way. It should never be against the law to give a ride to someone who is not here legally. The police begin to look like the enemy when they are forced to ask questions about immigration. I doubt most police want to do it, and I think it's a wrong use of police powers, besides being dangerous for the cops.

They need to try a different law. There's got to be a better way. Just got to.

Oh yeah-- I'm not a Republican but I'm not a Democrat either. I'm closer to Libertarian now, but not quite, so I guess that means I'm independent.

[Dr. Shane]

The Democrats decided to go to the radical left in order to distinguish themselves from Congressional Republicans and the Bush Administration. I thought it might actually back-fire on them. I don't think many Americans are on the radical extremes. But... it didn't back-fire. The Democrats won Congress and two years later they won the White House.

Republicans are now doing the same thing. Republicans are going to the radical right in order to distinguish themselves from Congressional Democrats and the Obama Administration. I have my doubts it will work but... I have been wrong before.

I think most Americans tend to be in the middle. When they have only two extremes to choose from, it will be interesting to see how they go.

[bonnie]

If Democratic majorities survive the backlash against big government in this election cycle, it will be because Republicans, the party of the right, became the Party of White.......

A party that alienates racial minorities will justly be made a political minority, so the Republican response to what’s happening in Arizona will be a defining moment.

While there are many policies that undercut the support of minorities for Republicans -- from opposition to affirmative action to regional support for the Confederate flag -- immigration is clearly the brewing Republican problem among Hispanic Americans. Republicans like Arizona Governor Jan Brewer have too often appeared hostile to immigrants.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=a_Vn8U59GoII

It seems to a liberal everything is about race. Yet conservatives are labeled racist.

The illegal immigration problem is not because of the color of their skin.Unless you are Chris Matthews and is so thrilled that "listening to a speech by Obama caused him to forget the color of Obama's skin".

If Mexico was a country of caucasians and creating these type of problems the reaction would be the same.

It is the left that insists behind every thought or belief of a conservative is race.

[lazarus]

It seems to a liberal everything is about race. Yet conservatives are labeled racist.

The article is written by a former adviser to John Macain. Not a liberal.

[bonnie]

Originally Posted By: bonnie

It seems to a liberal everything is about race. Yet conservatives are labeled racist.

The article is written by a former adviser to John Macain. Not a liberal.

John Macain is a liberal.Would I expect some that worked for Macain to be liberal? Yes. A liberal conservative is a oxymoron Are there some liberal conservatives that are racists? Yes. Are there liberals that are racist and show it in another way as Chris Matthews?YES The immigration law is being broken down as racist and not racist.

It is not a racist issue. It is applying the federal law already on the books. The reasons for something on this order should be obvious to all without throwing the racist accusation around.

[John317]

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lazarus: The article is written by a former adviser to John Macain. Not a liberal.

I generally vote Republican and I largely agree with the article, particularly as regards the law in Arizona requiring police to ask people for proof of residency or legal entry into the US. They need to do something about enforcing the immigration laws, but the law they passed was a terrible one. I don't see it as a race issue so much as a financial one. Americans basically didn't care about Mexicans coming across illegally until it began to be a financial problem. (Surprisingly, the Americans who are most opposed to Mexicans coming here illegally are the second and third generation of Mexican-Americans. Many of them feel rather strongly, whether true or not, that it's the illegals who give Mexican-Americans a bad reputation.)

I would be in favor of repairing the gaping holes in the fences along the Cal.-Mex border near where I live. Also watch more carefully the waters about 1000 feet out from the border where some of my wife's relatives used often to swim across. My wife's niece was legal to come over but her husband was not, so she would bring the baby over and he would swim, and when he got here he would then pick up the baby. But the last time he did it, he got caught and was deported. They had jobs washing cars and repairing car windows in San Diego and Los Angeles, but they're now back in Mexico.

Another neice went all the way through High School illegally, learned English, then went back to Mexico and got married. But she had a little boy who was dying of cancer, and the Mexican doctors misdiagnosed his cancer and consequently he was going blind, so she and her husband, Carlos, brought their 4 year old son, Carlito, to a California hospital. He was given the right kind of treatment and lived for about 3 years but died of a ruptured appendix. Carlito's death was due to the negligence of the medical team working on him. I told Ana that they should sue the hospital, but she and Carlos decided not to. The doctors gave Carlito an enima which ruptured his appendix when they should have recognized the classic symptoms of appendicitis. Just recently she returned to Mexico, but Carlos is continuing his work as the head chef at a large restaurant. He plans to go back as soon as he's saved up enough money to buy a house in Tijuana.

[bonnie]

This law doesn't do anything the federal law does if followed.Problem is the federal government doesn't use the existing law.

As an american I have been pulled over and asked for registration,insurance etc. Hispanics are somehow to be exempt from answering questions.

It was a real eye opener to realize in a termination of parental rights and adoption proceedings,the father of the boys a mexican illegal could not be questioned on his status as related to his ability to care for the boys.

My brother,the grandfather of the children,his wife and the mother of the children could be asked anything as it pertained to the children.

The father,unstable in work and housing because of his illegal status could not be asked the same type of questions

[John317]

Yes, you are right about those things. I see it firsthand all the time. My oldest daughter has been denied financial aid before because she has a caucasion father and isn't full blooded Mexican. Yet she is dark enough so that one rich white man at an expensive retirement center where she worked called her a "Mexican jumping bean," and ordered her not to speak Spanish in his presence (which she didn't do anyway). When she told one German-American man who had disrepected her color that her father was half German, he said he didn't believe it. I almost went there myself and told him to stop the racist talk.

When my wife had to have a medical proceedure done on her, the white nurse told me that I shouldn't go with my wife to the clinic because when they saw I am white, they would want her to pay for the surgery. She could get it done but only if she wasn't married to a white guy.

So I see both sides and I'm kind of caught in the middle. I love my Mexican family and can sympathize with their plight, but I can see the other side too.

[bonnie]

Yes, you are right about those things. I see it firsthand all the time. My oldest daughter has been denied financial aid before because she has a caucasion father and isn't full blooded Mexican. Yet she is dark enough so that one rich white man at an expensive retirement center where she worked called her a "Mexican jumping bean," and ordered her not to speak Spanish in his presence (which she didn't do anyway). When she told one German-American man who had disrepected her color that her father was half German, he said he didn't believe it. I almost went there myself and told him to stop the racist talk.

[John317]

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John317:

Yes, you are right about those things. I see it firsthand all the time. My oldest daughter has been denied financial aid before because she has a caucasion father and isn't full blooded Mexican. Yet she is dark enough so that one rich white man at an expensive retirement center where she worked called her a "Mexican jumping bean," and ordered her not to speak Spanish in his presence (which she didn't do anyway). When she told one German-American man who had disrepected her color that her father was half German, he said he didn't believe it. I almost went there myself and told him to stop the racist talk.

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boonie:

Personally I think a lot of this is caused by the failure of a balanced law that is enacted.

With my brother's grandchildren,what was good for the children did not count because father was a illegal,not because he was mexican.

I agree with this. I really don't think it's because people are Mexican. It's because they are here illegally, and it wouldn't matter if they're Mexican or from any other country. It just happens that the vast majority of "illegals" (at least in areas close to Mexico) are from Mexico since it sits right across our borders. Actually many of them are from Central America and even South America as well, but for many Americans, they are all referred to as Mexicans or "Latinos."

[bonnie]

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I agree with this. I really don't think it's because people are Mexican. It's because they are here illegally, and it wouldn't matter if they're Mexican or from any other country. It just happens that the vast majority of "illegals" (at least in areas close to Mexico) are from Mexico since it sits right across our borders. Actually many of them are from Central America and even South America as well, but for many Americans, they are all referred to as Mexicans or "Latinos."

The same mentality is shown here. If you are opposed to the havoc scores of illegals can create on our schools,communities,hospitals,crime petty or otherwise etc you are some kind of racist.

I personally am thankful I don't live any closer to the trailer courts for the migrant workers. Regardless of what some may say it does not take rocket science to be able to tell the difference in area crime and domestic abuse. The children running wild without supervision. None of that is the color of their skin. I am not happy about having my gas tank siphoned regardless of the skin color.

[phkrause]

Yes, you are right about those things. I see it firsthand all the time. My oldest daughter has been denied financial aid before because she has a caucasion father and isn't full blooded Mexican. Yet she is dark enough so that one rich white man at an expensive retirement center where she worked called her a "Mexican jumping bean," and ordered her not to speak Spanish in his presence (which she didn't do anyway). When she told one German-American man who had disrepected her color that her father was half German, he said he didn't believe it. I almost went there myself and told him to stop the racist talk.

When my wife had to have a medical proceedure done on her, the white nurse told me that I shouldn't go with my wife to the clinic because when they saw I am white, they would want her to pay for the surgery. She could get it done but only if she wasn't married to a white guy.

So I see both sides and I'm kind of caught in the middle. I love my Mexican family and can sympathize with their plight, but I can see the other side too.

John I agree with this, because there are two sides to every problem.

pk

[bonnie]

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John I agree with this, because there are two sides to every problem.

pk

To the problem of illegal immigration there is not two sides. If you come into this country illegally,use resources that you do not have a legal right to how can you expect to be treated as those that come here legally.

Go thru the process,get a work visa or whatever,but illegals do not have the moral or legal right to break the law.

It is estimated that for every dollar that a illegal may pay in taxes,he and his family use 3.00 in resources.

[lazarus]

The article highlights a particular problem for the republican party. The way they tackle this issue will have an impact on their future prospects as a party perhaps for a generation. I seen it happen in the UK. The conservative party was dubbed the nasty party because of its rhetoric on immigration and other sensitive issues. they may be back in power today but that is after losing the last three elections!.

The white population is now 65% of the US population. The GOP will have to recognize sooner or later that it has to begin to understand rather than just shout loudly. John and Shane you both experience it and understand that the whole issue is more and difficult that simply shouting PROTECT THE BORDER! ! ILLEGALS! THEY! CRIME! WELFARE!

I believe most Hispanics would support a reasonable, fair but strong immigration policy.

[John317]

We have to do better than what's being done now in Arizona.

[bonnie]

We have to do better than what's being done now in Arizona.

Just reverse the scenerio. As a american I don't like it here. Economy shot,no jobs.

Mexico has better. I cross the border illegally,demand if needed sanctuary,food,shelter,medical care. What right does the mexican government to try to stop me? What right do they have refuse to take care of me if required?

If Mexico does they would have to be cold hearted racists.

Us is the only country where illegals believe they have some right to dictate to the country they have entered illegally.

After Obama being asked five times to help with the huge problem AZ faces they have simply put teeth into the already existing federal law. One that is ignored

[bonnie]

Maybe americans can go to Mexico and try this.

Students sent home for wearing American flag on Cinco de Mayo

Thomas Lifson

Are you worried yet? As President Obama, most Democrats, and most of the media proclaim it racist to enforce immigration laws, five students were sent home from school in Morgan Hill, California because they wore American flag bandannas and t-shirts, and refused to take them off or hide Old Glory. School officials considered the flag display provocative.

George Kiriyama of NBC Bay Area reports:

[Daniel] Galli says he and his friends were sitting at a table during brunch break when the Vice Principal asked two of the boys to remove American flag bandannas that they wearing on their heads and for the others to turn their American flag t-shirts inside-out. When they refused, the boys were ordered to go to the principal's office.

"They said we could wear it on any other day, but today is sensitive to Mexican Americans because it's supposed to be their holiday so we were not allowed to wear it today," Daniel Galli said.

The boys said the administrators called their t-shirts "incendiary" that would lead to fights on campus. [snip]

"They said if we tried to go back to class with our shirts not taken off, they said it was defiance and we would get suspended," Dominic Maciel, Galli's friend, said.

Apparently, school officials are willing to tolerate an atmosphere in which the American flag is regarded as a cause for violence, and unwilling to control (or even stand up to) students who dishonor the flag so many people died for, in order to preserve the liberty now vanishing in places like Morgan Hill. Studnets wearing Mexican flags were allowed to attend school unmolested by administrators or teachers.

... to many Mexican American students at Live Oak, this was a big deal. They say they were offended by the five boys and others for wearing American colors on a Mexican holiday.

"I think they should apologize cause it is a Mexican Heritage Day," Annicia Nunez, a Live Oak High student, said. "We don't deserve to be get disrespected like that. We wouldn't do that on Fourth of July."

As for an apology, the boys and their families say, "fat chance."

This is the sort of squelching of patriotism that might be implemented by a conquering power imposing its will on colonial subjects. It is entirely consistent with the agenda of "reconquista" - where Mexico takes back the Southwest United States through massive immigration, ultimately severing it from the United States.

Are you worried yet?

[doug yowell]

Originally Posted By: John317

We have to do better than what's being done now in Arizona.

Just reverse the scenerio. As a american I don't like it here. Economy shot,no jobs.

Mexico has better. I cross the border illegally,demand if needed sanctuary,food,shelter,medical care. What right does the mexican government to try to stop me? What right do they have refuse to take care of me if required?

If Mexico does they would have to be cold hearted racists.

Us is the only country where illegals believe they have some right to dictate to the country they have entered illegally.

After Obama being asked five times to help with the huge problem AZ faces they have simply put teeth into the already existing federal law. One that is ignored

You know the economy is in bad shape when----------U.S. authorities arrest a truckload of Americans trying to sneak into Mexico. As a 35+year So.California construction worker, I find it ironic that the system that consciously ignores the welfare of it's own citizens (in order to avoid the stigma of being "cold-hearted") rewards those who illegally exploit it's humanitarian nature. The Democrats bemoan the "outsource" of tens of thousands of American jobs while encouraging the accommodation of millions of "immigrants" taking American jobs here at home.And the Republicans turn around in circles and mutter "ummm". Meanwhile, where are the "better ideas"? Maybe someone oughta admit that the hardest choices are the best choices. America is now an illegal immigrant addict. The first step to recovery is to admit the problem. What's the most effective (not painless) cure?

[bonnie]

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You know the economy is in bad shape when----------U.S. authorities arrest a truckload of Americans trying to sneak into Mexico. As a 35+year So.California construction worker, I find it ironic that the system that consciously ignores the welfare of it's own citizens (in order to avoid the stigma of being "cold-hearted") rewards those who illegally exploit it's humanitarian nature. The Democrats bemoan the "outsource" of tens of thousands of American jobs while encouraging the accommodation of millions of "immigrants" taking American jobs here at home.And the Republicans turn around in circles and mutter "ummm". Meanwhile, where are the "better ideas"? Maybe someone oughta admit that the hardest choices are the best choices. America is now an illegal immigrant addict. The first step to recovery is to admit the problem. What's the most effective (not painless) cure?

America has admitted the problem.You are white and male,self explanatory.

[karl]

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"They said we could wear it on any other day, but today is sensitive to Mexican Americans because it's supposed to be their holiday so we were not allowed to wear it today," Daniel Galli said.

It's the liberal way - coddle everyone's "sensitivity" (except the hated whites and asians, of course.)

Free speech is free speech no matter who decides they're "offended." I'm offended that any stinking liberal would even suggest that the red, white and blue be taken off on ANY occasion. Even if libs hate patriotism and generally label it "jingoism," I'm proud to be an American and hope to be instrumental in taking our country back from slinking liberal slogans in the very near future.

[doug yowell]

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You know the economy is in bad shape when----------U.S. authorities arrest a truckload of Americans trying to sneak into Mexico. As a 35+year So.California construction worker, I find it ironic that the system that consciously ignores the welfare of it's own citizens (in order to avoid the stigma of being "cold-hearted") rewards those who illegally exploit it's humanitarian nature. The Democrats bemoan the "outsource" of tens of thousands of American jobs while encouraging the accommodation of millions of "immigrants" taking American jobs here at home.And the Republicans turn around in circles and mutter "ummm". Meanwhile, where are the "better ideas"? Maybe someone oughta admit that the hardest choices are the best choices. America is now an illegal immigrant addict. The first step to recovery is to admit the problem. What's the most effective (not painless) cure?

America has admitted the problem.You are white and male,self explanatory.

Actually, this affects all Americans,whether Latino,Black, white, male or female.Some American loses their job, has their wages reduced, is required to support the increase in crime,legal services,educational needs, medical provisions, lawsuits,welfare benefits.ect...,and is pressured into the position of hiring and paying under the table in order to compete in the marketplace. A great system for the tired,poor,illegal, huddled, masses, south of our border, bad for the law abiding, non-white collared,non-Spanish speaking,legally employed (or unemployed) American worker.As the Jewish saying goes: "He that is kind to the cruel, will be cruel to the kind." Same principle here.

[Ted Oplinger]

Originally Posted By: bonnie

It seems to a liberal everything is about race. Yet conservatives are labeled racist.

The article is written by a former adviser to John Macain. Not a liberal.

Actually, Laz, that's up for considerable debate...considering his Senatorial "maverick" authorship record.

And that's John McCain, right? Who up only until recently never met a liberal idea he didn't like....

[Ted Oplinger]

If Democratic majorities survive the backlash against big government in this election cycle, it will be because Republicans, the party of the right, became the Party of White.......

A party that alienates racial minorities will justly be made a political minority, so the Republican response to what’s happening in Arizona will be a defining moment.

While there are many policies that undercut the support of minorities for Republicans -- from opposition to affirmative action to regional support for the Confederate flag -- immigration is clearly the brewing Republican problem among Hispanic Americans. Republicans like Arizona Governor Jan Brewer have too often appeared hostile to immigrants.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=a_Vn8U59GoII

Party of White? That's a pretty racist statement there, Laz. If Whites do band together this November, you can thank Obama for it.

Just remember Obama couldn't be in office right now except for the majority of the votes he received that came from "racist" ol' Whitey. Actually, it might come as a suprise to know it wasn't a triumph of minorities over the White majority...it was the White majority willing to put race aside, assuming minorities would reciprocate. Your "Party of White" was dead wrong.

It has been most disappointing that the political Left can benefit from Whites putting Obama into the White House, then turn the country's racial discussion into the most polarized it has been since before the 60's by the incessant playing of the race card. It is that incessant labelling everyone and everything disagreeing with the Left as "racist" that has so many angry after they have only disagreed with policies.

Yes, Laz, there is a huge backlash building, but it isn't because of white racism. It is coming because the majority of people (coming from every ethnic group) disagree vehemently with what the Democrats are doing. Any majority disagreement is by nature going to have more Whites than other ethnic groups. That is simple math. The Democrat majorities aren't going to survive the coming elections in November. Obama is going to be turned out of office in 2012. Political pundits on both sides of the aisle are severely underestimating the depth of American anger right now. Labelling the opposition as "the Party of White" racism is but a very ignorant assessment of the situation.

[karl]

Just remember Obama couldn't be in office right now except for the majority of the votes he received that came from "racist" ol' Whitey. ...

It has been most disappointing that the political Left can benefit from Whites putting Obama into the White House, then turn the country's racial discussion into the most polarized it has been since before the 60's by the incessant playing of the race card....

Yes, Laz, there is a huge backlash building, but it isn't because of white racism. It is coming because the majority of people (coming from every ethnic group) disagree vehemently with what the Democrats are doing. ...

Labelling the opposition as "the Party of White" racism is but a very ignorant assessment of the situation.

AMEN!