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One does not need to feel personally ridiculed to find something offensive.

If I said every spandex wearing fat-a#^$ f$*&# a*#@h!&% can just kiss my skinny a#(!& because I don't give a s#*^@! what any son of a b%*$# thinks, I would not be referring to anyone in particular either, but my guess is that most everyone here would be offended. But if I said the same thing in a nightclub before a half drunk audience they would find it hilarious and it would likely get a huge laugh. While that may be an extreme, there is a time and a place for everything. This not that place for many things that you or I could get away with or even be applauded for elsewhere.

No, karl, there is nothing egregious about calling out olger on his crassness and insensitivity in a public Christian forum. If he and you cannot understand that filtering ourselves in certain contexts is expected, appropriate and necessary then maybe the two of you should seriously consider whether you belong here. It may be time for the juveniles to grow up and act like mature men instead giggling pre-pubescent boys.

"Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good."

"Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal."

"I love God only as much as the person I love the least."

*Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth.

(And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)

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I've seen and read a lot worse things on this forum than what Olger posted, and no one objected, and, in fact, most on the forum thought they were funny. People are disrespected here all the time, so I'm not quite sure why now all the hand wringing is being done.

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Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?

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Yes, karl it is. That olger didn't have an idea that this might offend possibly even a few, and that neither he nor you seem yet willing to acknowledge with even a hint of apology that it has in fact offended more than a few, it is very much over the top - the top of both of your heads.

And then again if there possibly was that awareness that it could offend and insensitivity offered no self-restraint and/or insensitivity says I really don't care if I offend those I know, double shame on you both. It's about respect. If you don't get that, again it is over the top of your heads.

Listen, in the grand scheme of things this is relatively mild in comparison to that which passes for humor these days and perhaps what each of may find amusing inside our own little heads. But some thoughts are best kept to ourselves in mixed company or company even slightly more refined than ourselves. And I indeed have very broad, and quite low at times, taste in humor. But even in my densest moments, I readily acknowledge that not everyone, and for that matter at times few at all appreciate my sense of humor and what I find amusing. But I do try to get at least a modest clue as to who might actually not appreciate me sharing out loud in even marginally Christian circles the humor of George Carlin, Family Guy, The Simpsons, Monte Python, Don Rickles, Cheech and Chong, Larry the Cable Guy, Ron White, etc.

And cartoonishly photoshopped butts in red spandex with all the juvenile, pejorative commentary was simply playing out on the wrong stage. Don't complain that you got booed and then lectured when you seemed not to understand.

"Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good."

"Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal."

"I love God only as much as the person I love the least."

*Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth.

(And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)

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I think you should stop exercising such admirable restraint, Tom, and just let 'er rip. Let's have the whole spleen-full.

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Tom, are you really all that concerned about whether you or others offend anyone?

What I'm seeing here reminds me of a man who cheats on his wife, but then asks her if she would mind if he attends the church where he married his first wife.

Or it is like the man Jesus talked about who has a telephone pole in his eye but he is worried about the speck in the eye of his brother.

John 3:16-17

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

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I've seen and read a lot worse things on this forum than what Olger posted, and no one objected, and, in fact, most on the forum thought they were funny. People are disrespected here all the time, so I'm not quite sure why now all the hand wringing is being done.

Yes I have too. And I certainly have been one to offend at times. And maybe its past time for people to just sit on their thumbs when that happens. Some people just need to be told when they are out of bounds.

Yes, these things do escalate. But it didn't need to if someone would have chosen to not turn it into yet another referendum on political incorrectness as if that should be somehow considered virtuous.

That would be because when a mild and good humored suggestion was made that some were not amused, some chose to stand firm and defend their insensitivety and try to frame it as a virtue. And then a disingenuous effort was made to turn the whole thing on its head and suggest that olger was really the victim, the one being dissed by being confronted about it.

There are a number of potential topics that we could start joking about around here, but given the known background and personal identity of even one person that might be offended should restrain us from going down that path. Humor is a very tricky thing and even quite dangerous in the hands of professionals.

"Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good."

"Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal."

"I love God only as much as the person I love the least."

*Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth.

(And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)

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Yes, I am.

Jesus was quite right.

But some still refuse to even look for that telephone pole in their own eye, much less remove it, even when given ample opportunity to do so.

And oddly enough for those fortunate to have found even the speck and removed it, there are those that keep trying to put it right back so they can "help" remove it, again and again...

Yes, admitting you are wrong is a very difficult thing, isn't it?

And letting go of a grievance seems harder still.

"Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good."

"Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal."

"I love God only as much as the person I love the least."

*Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth.

(And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)

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I'm going to hold all the critics on this thread to their own standards.

Don't let me ever read that you find anything humorous about any person ever again whether they are recognizable or not from photo or post here on CA.

For you, there will be no chuckling, giggling or smiling behind your screens about any human being(s).

I mean it.

The rest of us, however are permitted to be amused by the antics of each other and the wide range of humans who are not blessed enough to be on CA:-)

We will not have a cow about these things.

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This just reminds me of how varied people's boundaries are when it comes to humour.

Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.

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One does not need to feel personally ridiculed to find something offensive.

If I said every spandex wearing fat-a#^$ f$*&# a*#@h!&% can just kiss my skinny a#(!& because I don't give a s#*^@! what any son of a b%*$# thinks, I would not be referring to anyone in particular either, but my guess is that most everyone here would be offended. But if I said the same thing in a nightclub before a half drunk audience they would find it hilarious and it would likely get a huge laugh. While that may be an extreme, there is a time and a place for everything. This not that place for many things that you or I could get away with or even be applauded for elsewhere.

No, karl, there is nothing egregious about calling out olger on his crassness and insensitivity in a public Christian forum. If he and you cannot understand that filtering ourselves in certain contexts is expected, appropriate and necessary then maybe the two of you should seriously consider whether you belong here. It may be time for the juveniles to grow up and act like mature men instead giggling pre-pubescent boys.

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This isn't the Humor Forum so I am assuming it wasn't intended to be humorous. Where I live, we have overweight people wearing bikinis. That really gets to be gross. We also have boys wearing pants that hang down to their knees. We have men's bellies coming out from under their shirts and hanging below their belts. There are a lot of people that don't know how to dress. I am not sure making fun of them is the best way to motivate a change in their behavior.

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Some people are overweight because of medications they need to take to stay alive.

Pam     coffeecomputer.GIF   

Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup.

If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony.

Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?

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This isn't the Humor Forum so I am assuming it wasn't intended to be humorous. Where I live, we have overweight people wearing bikinis. That really gets to be gross. We also have boys wearing pants that hang down to their knees. We have men's bellies coming out from under their shirts and hanging below their belts. There are a lot of people that don't know how to dress. I am not sure making fun of them is the best way to motivate a change in their behavior.

With your keyboard, you have created mental images above. How is that morally superior to posting an actual image, since nobody is being identified in either case? I'm surprised Tom and Sivart aren't down your neck this instant.

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With your keyboard, you have created mental images above. How is that morally superior to posting an actual image, since nobody is being identified in either case? I'm surprised Tom and Sivart aren't down your neck this instant.

That's because if I understand Shane's post, he's siding with Tom, GLG and Sivart. But maybe Shane will clarify that himself.

pk

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When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
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Originally Posted By: karl
With your keyboard, you have created mental images above. How is that morally superior to posting an actual image, since nobody is being identified in either case? I'm surprised Tom and Sivart aren't down your neck this instant.

That's because if I understand Shane's post, he's siding with Tom, GLG and Sivart. But maybe Shane will clarify that himself.

pk

So.... as long as you side with those guys it doesn't matter what you do?

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You honestly can't see the difference between, "Some people dress in such a way," and, "Haha! Look at this picture of some random stranger's fat bottom!"?

"Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde

�Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." - Jesus

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Let's look at it this way: would you like someone to take pictures of your bottom and post them online to make fun of them?

"Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde

�Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." - Jesus

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Let's look at it this way: would you like someone to take pictures of your bottom and post them online to make fun of them?

How would I even know it was me if I wasn't identified in the photo? I couldn't care less.

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A woman, if she even suspected it was her, would be mortified.

Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.

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A woman, if she even suspected it was her, would be mortified.

Good point Gail. Does it really matter that she didn't know that this was done behind her back? Maybe or maybe not, but God does, and he knows the motive behind it also. Now I'm not judging because I don't know why or for what purpose this was posted.

Now what would have happen had she actually turned around, than what?

Now I know that there are many, far to many overweight people in this country. But many might have a medical reason or another reason, we don't know, and like it was mentioned is this the way to show them Christ There are many sick people with many different problems and overweight people are just one of those.

Maybe there was nothing she could do about this problem, or maybe really didn't care, we don't know do we?

I'm definitely not gonna say that I'm that pious that I haven't made fun of overweight people in my life or other things. But I would've expected something better from the person who did the OP, since on many occasions has mentioned that he has done seminars in the name of Christ for married couples, I believe, or maybe its Bible Studies! Not sure which.

Just my thoughts on this.

pk

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When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
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Originally Posted By: Gail
A woman, if she even suspected it was her, would be mortified.

Good point Gail. Does it really matter that she didn't know that this was done behind her back? Maybe or maybe not, but God does, and he knows the motive behind it also. Now I'm not judging because I don't know why or for what purpose this was posted.

Now what would have happen had she actually turned around, than what?

Now I know that there are many, far to many overweight people in this country. But many might have a medical reason or another reason, we don't know, and like it was mentioned is this the way to show them Christ There are many sick people with many different problems and overweight people are just one of those.

Maybe there was nothing she could do about this problem, or maybe really didn't care, we don't know do we?

I'm definitely not gonna say that I'm that pious that I haven't made fun of overweight people in my life or other things. But I would've expected something better from the person who did the OP, since on many occasions has mentioned that he has done seminars in the name of Christ for married couples, I believe, or maybe its Bible Studies! Not sure which.

Just my thoughts on this.

pk

Have you ever watched programming on obesity? The last one I watched showed one overweight person after another. Body shot without the face.

Close ups showing every roll.National television would be highly mortifying when you recognized your backside

Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this.

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Yeah, I don't know why they do that. Do we not know what obesity looks like or something? Since a third of the people in the United States are obese, you'd think we wouldn't need visual aids.

"Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde

�Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." - Jesus

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It was humor, Shane. I forgot we had a humor forum.

The central point, (which the maudlin malcontents missed in their mad rush to out-politically correct one other) is that my wife was laughing at me because the thing was almost in my face and stayed that way for a long time. bwink We made the best of it, and like always try to see the lighter side of life.

rejoice always,

og

"Please don't feed the drama queens.."

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Karl gets it.

For some strange reason a lot of overweight people choose to wear tight clothing in public. I suppose it's okay to be proud of fatness but they really don't think about the mental damage it does to children and most adults when they wear this material. Some fat people occasionally decide to take it one step further by wearing spandex in public - and the the damaging effect it has on our society is nothing short of catastrophic. This is why I'm initiating proposition 250 for the 2012 election.

Proposition 250 states that any person who weighs over 250 pounds is not allowed to wear spandex by law ... join me for a better America. :)

Ps. I just realized that my statement in post #364877 was insensitive ("lighten up a bit"). I punished myself by doing 50-consecutive pushups.

Merci beaucoup !

Well, as long as you punished yourself, I don't see where there's been any real harm done. But mark my words og, if this behaviour continues, we will all expect to hear about you doing 100 pushups, not 50.

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