re: Fox News Fails.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

It's annoying to have one person being able to conduct his own topic agenda without being able to respond.

OTOH, we must submit to the author's own perceptions about the topic without question? Hardly a forum.

[phkrause]

It's annoying to have one person being able to conduct his own topic agenda without being able to respond.

OTOH, we must submit to the author's own perceptions about the topic without question? Hardly a forum.

Ahh rudywoofs you wouldn't mind explaning. I'm not sure that I follow or are you complaining about FoxNews?

[bonnie]

It's annoying to have one person being able to conduct his own topic agenda without being able to respond.

OTOH, we must submit to the author's own perceptions about the topic without question? Hardly a forum.

Just take a little time and look up what a unbiased,accurate party Keith Olbermann is. Absolutely "sterling" qualities. I can think of a lot of people I would want defendingme and this man is not one of them

July 24, 2010

Journolisters offended by Keith Olbermann’s ‘misogynistic,’ ‘predictable,’ and ‘pompous’ show

By Jonathan Strong - The Daily Caller

If you were one of the 400 members of the listserv Journolist, perhaps one of the most vicious insults you could hurl at a colleague is: You’re just like Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity.

If the reader holds neutral — or even positive — views about the Fox News hosts, the insult may not sting. But in the cloistered world of liberal listserv enclaves, Hannityism is a cardinal sin. After all, Fox is a “dangerous,” “deranged” “cesspool” that, possibly, the FCC should be investigating.

The feelings against MSNBC host Keith Olbermann, then, must run deep.

“He’s become O’Reilly on the left– completely predictable, unfunny, and arrogant,” said Georgetown University Professor Michael Kazin in May 2009. “To my mind, what they do is no different form Hannity and O’Reilly,” said the New America Foundation’s Michael Cohen, “At least Hannity and O’Reilly engage with the other side (if mainly just to yell at them). Olbermann is just an echo chamber.”

(Cohen later elaborated he was arguing that both MSNBC and Fox News play to political extremes).

At issue was a segment Olbermann had run about Carrie Prejean, the former Miss California who stirred debate in 2009 when she defended traditional marriage.

Following the segment, the subject on Journolist was “I hate Keith Olbermann again,” and the members of the list let it rip.

The Nation’s Katha Pollitt began the group’s rant. “He and Michael Musto did this whole long riff about beauty contestant Carrie ‘opposite marriage’ Prejean’s breast implants, stupidity, breast implants, tacky clothes, earrings, breast implants. They went on and on about how she was ‘part plastic’ and pathetic. You’d think they were celibate vegans who spent their lives zen meditating. It was just a whole TV humiliation of her, and it made me feel sorry for her, which wasn’t easy,” Pollitt said.

Michael O’Hare, a professor at the University of California, Berkeley, said the segment was “about as funny as a rubber crutch. Odd when a reasonable person’s internal alarm doesn’t go off in a situation like that …’I’m going to ridicule a girl who’s obviously at her personal limits just trying to look conventionally pretty on national TV? What does that make me’?”

O’Hare even suggested friends stage an intervention for Olbermann. “If anyone on the list is a friend of Olbermann, friendship demands that you give him a head-up about this lapse,” he said.

Julian Zelizer, a Princeton professor and CNN contributor, said Olbermann’s root problem is his misogyny. “I can’t take him anytime. I think to write off his mysogyny (sic) as limited to Musto is just not accurate. That very much defined much of how he talked about Clinton as well as others.”

Zelizer was referring to a series of instances during the primary campaign between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama when critics from both sides of the aisle criticized Olbermann for allegedly sexist treatment towards Hillary. Olbermann was forced to apologize.

The Washington Independent’s Spencer Ackerman said a brutal parody of Olbermann reflected his true nature. “I hate both Ben Affleck and Saturday Night Live, but this should end all debate about the merits of Olbermann,” he said, linking to the parody.

Salon’s Rebecca Traister agreed Olbermann regularly displayed his contempt for women. “Olbermann has a terrible record of going out of his way to talk about young, attractive women he believes to be stupid in grotesquely dismissive and oversexualized terms.”

Traister had written the same thing in her columns for Salon, for instance calling Olbermann out when he “felt free to call [Paris] Hilton a [censored] on air and speculate about whether anyone had ever ejaculated in her face.”

Blogger Lindsay Beyerstein said maybe the time was now to take down Olbermann. “When we liberals were fighting for political survival after 9/11, it was important to be disciplined and to pick our internal battles very carefully. Now that the Democrats are in charge and progressivism is ascendent, we can afford to demand more from our leaders.

“We can certainly afford to smack down Keith Olbermann when he spouts misogynist garbage,” she said.

University of Chicago Professor Harold Pollack said at the end of a long hard day, the last thing he needs is an hour with someone like Olbermann.

“KO can be smart and funny, but I’ve basically had my fill. My life is full of shtiky and rude blowhards already. Why add another?” Pollack said.

That day, even Olbermann’s defenders damned him with faint praise.

“To say that he’s an O’Reilly on the left is also wrong. He has good guests and both he and Maddow tackle stories that get left off networks,” said playwright and freelancer Rich Byrne. “Do I wish there were no Special Comments? Yes. Do I wish that he was less pompous at times? Yes. But Olbermann has been an overall plus in the cable news universe.”

David Roberts said that Olbermann played an important role in providing liberal views to the masses. “Even if all Olbermann and Maddow are doing is mirroring Hannity and O’Reilly from the other side (which is utterly preposterous, by the way), that’s a far better situation than before they came along. It’s empowering to hear that your views are legitimate, that they are part of the national conversation.”

Or, as then Harper’s editor Luke Mitchell put it, “Olberman is irritating and his obvious sexism is reprehensible. But yes, someone going on TV and saying that torture is bad is a net positive.”

Olbermann did not respond to a request for comment.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/23/journolisters-offended-by-keith-olbermanns-%e2%80%98misogynistic%e2%80%99-%e2%80%98predictable%e2%80%99-and-%e2%80%98pompous%e2%80%99-show/2/#ixzz0udACIhwE

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/23/journolisters-offended-by-keith-olbermanns-%e2%80%98misogynistic%e2%80%99-%e2%80%98predictable%e2%80%99-and-%e2%80%98pompous%e2%80%99-show/#ixzz0ud7rD2uV

[bonnie]

February 02, 2010

The Fat Lady Sings for Keith Olbermann

By Stuart Schwartz

"It ain't over until the fat lady sings."

The fat lady is doing more than singing for Keith Olbermann. And, like most of the other women in the life of MS-NBC's premiere leftist sexist, she's not interested in dating him. Rather, she merely wishes to see his well-padded bottom fade into the distance.

In sports broadcasting, where Olbermann worked for twenty years, the phrase -- picked up from opera -- signifies the end of the game, the last minutes when hope of revival is past and fans head for the exits. The viewers of "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" have been heading for the exits for the past year as part of a general exodus from MS-NBC.

By the end of 2009, media observers were noting the "abysmal" state of Olbermann's ratings. And now the thirty-day moving average of ratings shows him steadily sinking as Bill O'Reilly leads the charge of FOX News to the top. The FOX blowout of Keith and friends during the State of the Union this past week prompted National Review to ask, "[A]t what point does MSDNC pull the plug on its all-Left format?"

And so the fat lady is not just singing for Olbermann and MS-NBC: Rather, she is belting out an aria that rushes Katrina-like past the designer finery of Old Media grandees in the audience of Manhattan's Metropolitan Opera, rattles the Swarovski crystal chandeliers above their heads, hurtles across Central Park, and pierces the floor-to-ceiling windows of Olbermann's $4.2-million 40th-floor Trump Palace roost.

It is from here that Olbermann leads the progressive media battle on behalf of America's downtrodden, joined by neighboring New York Times staffers and mainstream media executives, fighting their self-described war on privilege from foxholes developed by Donald Trump. The various Trump Towers dotting upper Manhattan are, collectively, a progressive Pentagon, headquarters for the media war on Middle America...with Olbermann among the most polished of its brass.

...That is, until America began paying attention. The result: The audience of Countdown has sunk to roughly 20% of FOX News-viewers led by Bill O'Reilly. And now the fat lady is howling her delight as she joins a decades-long string of females in Keith's life -- beginning with his mother, who thought her son needed psychological help -- whose fist-bumps will come when he has exited their lives.

Olbermann does not like women, especially attractive and/or accomplished women. Nor is he particularly fond of men. He is forever the awkward, angry teenager of his high school days who mystified psychologists, the überdork whose cruel taunts of the athletes he covered as a sports broadcaster were legendary, even as he yearned to be thought of as the stud that covers studs. Give it up, a Philadelphia Inquirer sports columnist suggested after watching Olbermann ridicule the appearance of an overweight athlete. He noted that the hefty lefty is "so bloated he looks as if he swallowed Dan Patrick [his ESPN co-anchor] back in 1997."

And so the venom drips, and the ratings sink. Olbermann is cruel to all who, as a class, have rejected him, such as joyful people and women...or people of faith and women...or people with traditional marriages and women...and those with well-adjusted relationships and women. Did I mention women?

Women are anathema to Olbermann. He delights in demeaning them, and the more attractive or accomplished they are, the more malicious he gets. Conservative Congresswoman Michelle Bachman, who relishes her role as policymaker and mother, is a frequent object of his anger; columnist Michelle Malkin is a "big mashed up bag of meat with lipstick" because of her intelligence and traditional values; Sarah Palin is a moronic "Bush in a skirt"; and there's nothing wrong with Hillary Clinton -- who had the nerve to oppose Barack Obama in the Democrat primaries -- that a good beating won't cure.

Even MS-NBC is concerned The last-place cable network decided two years ago that Olbermanns "women problem" was costing it viewers and ordered him to find -- and not beat -- his inner woman. His inner woman turned out to be Martha Stewart, on whose show he baked a cake, savaged Sarah Palin, and extolled the virtues of gay marriage -- all of which did nothing for his mushrooming gender gap.

Meanwhile, Olbermann's personal problems with women -- including his mother -- are legion and well-publicized. Never married, he is a 51-year-old eggplant of a man whose dates begin and end with the first. His romantic failures have even played out in the pages of the New York Post, which has since taken down the Page Six item that peeked in his bedroom and described him as "boorish," declaring that "Keith Gets Low Ratings in Bed."

And the gossip sites had a field day with his newest girlfriend, a twenty-five-year-old California girl he brought to New York, insisting that the on-air job he arranged for her through NBC had nothing to do with her decision to join him in the Trump Palace.

Sex and the Single Olbermann. What is it about this confused man and women...and men, for that matter? If Sigmund Freud were not white and dead, he might be invited by MS-NBC to consult. Odd, isn't it? Hostile towards women, issues with his mother, oft-expressed rage over conventional male/female relationships, serially simpatico with Village Voice critic Michael Musto (of "Michael Musto's Gay Chelsea" fame). As his former colleagues at ESPN often say about an athlete's inappropriate behavior, "Aw, c'mon, man!" And so ratings give way to rage.

Rage. When Olbermann left ESPN, "he didn't burn bridges here -- he napalmed them," as one male colleague described it. And when co-anchor Suzy Kolber attracted attention for her stylish sports reporting, a jealous Olbermann attacked her with such venom that she simply sat down and cried.

Rage. Massachusetts elected "a bad joke" in Senator Scott Brown, "an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, teabagging supporter of violence against woman and against politicians with whom he disagrees." Even an MS-NBC colleague recognized Olbermann for what he has become -- "sad and pathetic" -- while New Yorker magazine, which sympathizes with his politics and whose executives participate in life at Trump Towers, headlined its profile of him "One Angry Man."

In the end and in Olbermann's eyes, life is what it has always been: hostile. The viewers are disappearing, and all that remains is a Krakatoa of rage, of poisons spewing forth from a shell of a man on a shriveled network into the homes of a shrinking audience.

And he reacts as always with howls of rage, the chief wannabe on the wannabe network: I wannabe an athlete, I wannabe a power, I wannabe a stud, I wannabe Bill O'Reilly, I wannabe loved, I wannabe the center of attention...a deranged diva who has yet to decide whether his jockstrap is half-empty or half-full.

[GreatLakesGramma]

PK, it's pretty obvious to me that Pam is speaking against Tom Wetmore's locked post containing what he said is the only part of the thread about Fox News that deserves to stay in Townhall, that part being Olberman's rant against all right wing news and websites. He's stating his personal opinion, indirectly attacking the position of all conservative members of this forum, and barring anyone else from replying to it.

I am in full agreement with Pam.

[phkrause]

PK, it's pretty obvious to me that Pam is speaking against Tom Wetmore's locked post containing what he said is the only part of the thread about Fox News that deserves to stay in Townhall, that part being Olberman's rant against all right wing news and websites. He's stating his personal opinion, indirectly attacking the position of all conservative members of this forum, and barring anyone else from replying to it.

I am in full agreement with Pam.

Oh, OK, thanks

[Neil D]

Interesting that you guys are not listening to what is being said....It isn't about Tom nor is it against Keith Oberman....

It's about this nation.....and you guys are NOT listening....

And the truth of the matter is- it's not even about racism...

Again, you guys are not listening...

[John317]

Interesting that you guys are not listening to what is being said....It isn't about Tom nor is it against Keith Oberman....

It's about this nation.....and you guys are NOT listening....

I would take you more seriously on this point if you had said something about it during the 2008 campaign when the media failed to do its job.

Originally Posted By: Neil D

And the truth of the matter is- it's not even about racism...

Again, you guys are not listening...

It's true it's not about racism. It's about the "blame-game" and politics dressed in the garb of love of country.

Why don't you just admit that the Obama administration screwed up royally and showed exactly how incompetant and what amateurs they are?

I can't imagine this happening when Kennedy or Johnson were President. This is more like what we would expect from Carter. Obama seems to be a lot like Carter in many ways.

(I voted for Carter in 1976, but in 1980 I voted for Reagan.)

[GreatLakesGramma]

So long as you guys won't admit that the liberal media is doing the exact same thing, only in the opposite direction, you have 3 fingers pointing back at yourselves. You aren't listening either.

The liberal media has been twisting facts, perverting truth, manipulating society and polarizing America for years. But I don't see you condemning them too. Did I miss it somewhere?

[GoLions]

If you take the leftist side, you are wrong. Perpare yourself to be disappointed. The left is full of lies and deception. The only truth that comes from them is mixed with error, and good luck sorting it out.

If you take the right side, you are wrong. Perpare yourself to be disappointed. The right is full of lies and deception. The only truth that comes from them is mixed with error, and good luck sorting it out.

The truth is, that satan is leading both groups. The side that will win out between the false battle between the two groups will be the group that has the Catholics and Protestents on its side. Then they will turn their victory momentum against Gods people, people who keep the 7th day Sabbath. I hope that is you.

Its time to fight the battle on the front lines. Its time to preach/teach/live the 3 Angels message. Lets give tidings out of the east and out of the north.

Daniel 11:40-45

40And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

41He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

42He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

43But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

44But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

45And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

[SivartM]

This is such an uplifting conversation.

[GreatLakesGramma]

GoLions, you are absolutely right.

[Tom Wetmore]

PK, it's pretty obvious to me that Pam is speaking against Tom Wetmore's locked post containing what he said is the only part of the thread about Fox News that deserves to stay in Townhall, that part being Olberman's rant against all right wing news and websites.

Apparently you didn't listen to the whole "rant". He castigated far more than Fox News and right wing websites. He was equally harsh against all others in the media as well, including MSNBC and himself. He was also harshly critical of the Obama adminstration and its knee-jerk reaction ot a false news story.

[Tom Wetmore]

Originally Posted By: Neil D

Interesting that you guys are not listening to what is being said....It isn't about Tom nor is it against Keith Oberman....

It's about this nation.....and you guys are NOT listening....

I would take you more seriously on this point if you had said something about it during the 2008 campaign when the media failed to do its job.

Originally Posted By: Neil D

And the truth of the matter is- it's not even about racism...

Again, you guys are not listening...

It's true it's not about racism. It's about the "blame-game" and politics dressed in the garb of love of country.

Why don't you just admit that the Obama administration screwed up royally and showed exactly how incompetant and what amateurs they are?

I can't imagine this happening when Kennedy or Johnson were President. This is more like what we would expect from Carter. Obama seems to be a lot like Carter in many ways.

(I voted for Carter in 1976, but in 1980 I voted for Reagan.)

Thanks for turning this away from the topic and into a political food fight...

I suspect it will get banished soon...

[Neil D]

You guys are still missing the point.....

You guys must have failed in your civics lessons....

It's about your freedoms, but it's NOT about liberal or conservative....Republican or Democrat....

You guys have failed miserably in understanding what the freedom is about...ALL FREEDOMS granted to us are about responsibility.

....and you still don't know which freedom I'm talking about....You missed it when I posted about it, and then you guys hijacked it into a political monster....

When I "agreed" with you guys about a specific infraction of a freedom that you all had complained about, you turned around and defended the infractor.

If this country depended upon your civics lesson, this country would fall...

...and if my reckoning were a crystal ball, it will...

[Tom Wetmore]

This is such an uplifting conversation.

Yes, isn't it!

[phkrause]

If you take the leftist side, you are wrong. Perpare yourself to be disappointed. The left is full of lies and deception. The only truth that comes from them is mixed with error, and good luck sorting it out.

If you take the right side, you are wrong. Perpare yourself to be disappointed. The right is full of lies and deception. The only truth that comes from them is mixed with error, and good luck sorting it out.

The truth is, that satan is leading both groups. The side that will win out between the false battle between the two groups will be the group that has the Catholics and Protestents on its side. Then they will turn their victory momentum against Gods people, people who keep the 7th day Sabbath. I hope that is you.

Its time to fight the battle on the front lines. Its time to preach/teach/live the 3 Angels message. Lets give tidings out of the east and out of the north.

Daniel 11:40-45

40And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

41He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

42He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

43But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

44But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

45And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Excellent points GoLions, I think I've mentioned it many times that each side has nothing to offer us. In the media each has taken a side but behind closed doors there all sitting together sipping there champiagne at our expense and we don't even realize it, but take sides anyway. And throw darts at each other, like that really helps anything.

[phkrause]

Originally Posted By: GreatLakesGramma

PK, it's pretty obvious to me that Pam is speaking against Tom Wetmore's locked post containing what he said is the only part of the thread about Fox News that deserves to stay in Townhall, that part being Olberman's rant against all right wing news and websites.

Apparently you didn't listen to the whole "rant". He castigated far more than Fox News and right wing websites. He was equally harsh against all others in the media as well, including MSNBC and himself. He was also harshly critical of the Obama adminstration and its knee-jerk reaction ot a false news story.

That is exactly right Tom, from what I recall he did mention all including himself. Like I mentioned, all have 20/20 vision in hindsight don't they.

[bonnie]

Quote:

That is exactly right Tom, from what I recall he did mention all including himself. Like I mentioned, all have 20/20 vision in hindsight don't they.

I still would like to hear from the NAACP and what they found funny and worthy of applause in the first portion of this story. They were the intended target and is seems by their enthusiasm they did not disappoint

[Tom Wetmore]

Watch the full video. It is not what you might think.

[phkrause]

Why don't you just admit that the Obama administration screwed up royally and showed exactly how incompetant and what amateurs they are?

I can't imagine this happening when Kennedy or Johnson were President. This is more like what we would expect from Carter. Obama seems to be a lot like Carter in many ways.

(I voted for Carter in 1976, but in 1980 I voted for Reagan.)

I agree that the Obama administration messed up, the oppretive word being administration. And Obama apologized for them.

I don't agree that he is anything like Carter. As far as Johnson, Johnson really screwed up the Vietnam conflict royally. Have you seen any of the documentaries, they really show that had he listen to his generals we would've had that over with and come out with a win.

[olger]

It's annoying to have one person being able to conduct his own topic agenda without being able to respond.

OTOH, we must submit to the author's own perceptions about the topic without question? Hardly a forum.

Olger likes this

[Amelia]

Access thread "Fox News Fails" here:

http://adventistforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/topic/29945.html

[bonnie]

Watch the full video. It is not what you might think.

Sorry,I don't believe all this righteous indignation over racism.

"Killing white babies" and a clear view of voter intimidation gets a big yawn from the very same that are now so beside themselves over what they perceive as racism.

If you believe racism is wrong,no matter the color of your skin,it is wrong.

It would be as wrong for me to want "black babies killed" as it was for the Black Panthers to say.The NAACP doesn't seem to be able to utter the "racism charge" there

Had I approached this in a different manner and said I think "we need to kill black babies" this forum would have turned itself inside out.

Black Panthers wishing to "kill white babies" and not seeming to be a big deal is quite telling

[bonnie]

Watch the full video. It is not what you might think.

I have listened to his frothing at the mouth concerning women,pretty women with a brain seem to be in his sights.He has quite a list that raises his ire.

I don't like men like that so will leave him to you