Deep concerns about this board.

[Twilight]

I apppreciated the comment (I think of Pam's) where some Chritian behaviour falls lower in common courtesy and respect than that of the secular-minded. I have thought hard about that many a time and wished it (and I) could be better!!

That can be aggravated by a system, that does not allow someone to express their own feelings or fears Gail.

Disempower a man and you create an enemy.

Empower a man and you create a friend.

[Gail]

The current problem, as has been accepted by many here Amelia, is that a poster cannot raise issue against a moderator and discuss that issue with the other moderators.

They are excluded from the "court", judged and condemned, with no say whatsoever.

This is the criticism I am raising.

Mark :-)

Actually, Mark, I have sat in several such discussions. A member PMs those who he would like to include in a hearing. You are more than welcome to try that avenue.

[Amelia]

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The current problem, as has been accepted by many here Amelia, is that a poster cannot raise issue against a moderator and discuss that issue with the other moderators.

Not true, like I said, anyone can post a PM and add as many people to it as they want. If you want other moderators in on a problem, PM it to all of them and it will be dealt with in private. It has happened in the past and worked well.

[Twilight]

If every jot and tittle were to be argued here, this board wouldn't have room for Jesus.

But if we do not follow His principles, have we even invited Him in?

[Twilight]

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The current problem, as has been accepted by many here Amelia, is that a poster cannot raise issue against a moderator and discuss that issue with the other moderators.

Not true, like I said, anyone can post a PM and add as many people to it as they want. If you want other moderators in on a problem, PM it to all of them and it will be dealt with in private. It has happened in the past and worked well.

I was not aware that could be done.

This is the first time, even on this thread that that has been suggested to me.

But it does not allow a poster to invite people to the original PM the moderator raised.

I tried to do that with the PM I had issue with and it was not an option.

I even asked how that could be done, but received no advice or suggestion that such a thing was possible.

[Twilight]

A copy of part of my question that was in the original PM:

"How do I invite the other moderators and admins to view this conversation?"

To which I received no response.

[Twilight]

Anyway.

I have made my point.

It is up to those that run the site to take my points and consider or reject them.

There is nothing else for me to say.

[Gail]

A copy of part of my question that was in the original PM:

"How do I invite the other moderators and admins to view this conversation?"

To which I received no response.

When you are creating the private message, there is an "Add" button that you can use to invite as many as you wish to the conversation.

Why not give it a try, Mark? I think it may prove useful and hopefully effective.

[abelisle]

I have been viewing this conversation all day and as one of the moderators, I believe it's the behavior (as displayed in the rhetoric and language of the poster) that is at issue, not the content or substance of the post.

Considering the fact that Adventists don't all have the same understandings and applications of doctrinal issues, we can't harangue people who don't see things our way or don't follow Adventist doctrines/beliefs as you think they should.

If that were the case, this forum would become a place where the spiritual health of all posters would be constantly attacked as not being correct or represnting that of what an Adventist should be according to what another individual deems to be correct.

This forum is about conversations, not confrontations.

Alex (hoping I've made my point as clearly as I can?)

[Amelia]

A copy of part of my question that was in the original PM:

"How do I invite the other moderators and admins to view this conversation?"

To which I received no response.

Copy and past it into another PM addressed to all the other moderators.

[Dr. Shane]

I just read through this emotional thread. My comments are, if a person doesn't like the way a moderator moderates, just don't post in that forum. Post in other forums with moderators that one doesn't have issues with.

Life is too short to get all emotionally worked up about how we are treated on the internet. I have gotten into that situation before but have to admit that sometimes I just take myself (and some situations) just too serious and need to give it rest and breath deeply for a while.

And a few words that I have found to be quite helpful are... "Perhaps I was wrong, I will try to do better."

[Tom Wetmore]

Wise words...

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

wow. 9 pages of this for a visitor to view..

[Dr. Shane]

Natter Matters would probably be a better place but Mark may not have access to that forum.

[Planey]

Mark

Please spell out what you consider to be "Christian principles"

I for one have observed this board in operation for a lot of years and have always found it to be run by Christians who behave like Christians.

So I would like to know how you think it should be changed.

Just out of interest, I know he was pre-Christian, but how did Moses run the show when he was in charge of the Exodus?

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

Trivia:

If you google "totalitarian moderator," ClubAdventist is #16 on the list.

If you google "totalitarian moderator vendetta," C/A is #9.

If you google "totalitarian moderator vendetta stan," C/A is #1.

(I know...I have a warped sense of humor..)

[Bravus]

LOL - love it!

[Twilight]

Originally Posted By: Twilight

A copy of part of my question that was in the original PM:

"How do I invite the other moderators and admins to view this conversation?"

To which I received no response.

When you are creating the private message, there is an "Add" button that you can use to invite as many as you wish to the conversation.

Why not give it a try, Mark? I think it may prove useful and hopefully effective.

You cannot do that when you have not initiated the PM Gail.

Or I could not anyway.

[Bravus]

Amelia suggested you could copy and paste the original PM into a new one you created, and add as many people as you like.

That's technically possible but it's poor netiquette to share content that has been sent to you privately with others without permission...

[LifeHiscost]

I agree totally though Olger, there does seem a bias of opinion on this board amongst some moderators that is against anyone holding to the foundational truths of our Church.

I don't know if this reasoning holds any water but maybe it's because some wish not to offend those who might stick around if their natural tendency to be offended isn't pricked, whereas the grounded Adventist might be considered mature enough not to let opposing views shake their personal convictions nor take personal offense.

"Great peace have those who love Your law, And nothing causes them to stumble."Psalm 119:165 NKJV

If this were an official Adventist forum, that viewpoint would seem to me to be counter productive to the pillars of the Adventist faith. (Personally I think it is anyway) OTOH when it is definitely known, or even supposed that the foundation of the forum is not anchored on the Rock, anyone would seem to have the same vantage ground (barring the recognition of the moving of the Holy Spirit when the Word is brought to bear) no matter how farfetched their personal biases might be.

"But everyone who denies me here on earth, I will also deny before my Father in heaven.

“Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace, but a sword.

‘I have come to set a man against his father,

a daughter against her mother,

and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law."

Matthew 10:33-35 NLT

God blesses!

[Doug]

I read the whole thing. wow.

[Twilight]

I have taken some counsel from a poster who has asked to be nameless.

They have helped me to see that the way I deal with error is not correct.

As this counsel was given in a true Christian spirit I can accept it.

It was something I was not aware of, but once it has been revealed, I have confessed my sin to God and asked Him to cleanse me from it.

I will endeavour in future, not to "attack" error.

But rather reveal error by sharing the truth.

I did not understand this principle and I apologise to those that I have offended through my ignorance.

I thank those on here that have been true friends and offered me support and counsel in an appropriate manner.

God bless,

Mark

[Twilight]

I still maintain, that we must have an open system of questioning everyones behaviour, as revealed in the gospels.

A system where someone has a chance to defend themselves amongst brethren, as revealed in Math 18.

I will take on board the current suggested offering given here, but would request a much more robust system be considered for moderation between posters and moderators, where moderator abuse is suspected.

I apologise for breaking the rules of the board, but hope you can all understand that it was a reaction to what I perceived as an injustice, with no means of recompence for posters.

[LifeHiscost]

debate is not a Christian talent.

HEAR! HEAR!

[John317]

You show in that post a wonderful Christian attitude, Mark.