Judaizers and SDAizers

[Ron Amnsn]

I don't think so Ron. This is not what they had in mind when they said these words.

Right. But what about later? What about their children? It's not much of curse to have Messiah's cleansing blood on a person.

If the Jews and Romans had not participated in the plan to kill Jesus, would God have changed the plan of salvation so that the Messiah didn't need to die? Not likely.

If the Jews had accepted Messiah, someone would still have needed to kill Jesus. Perhaps it could have been done by the high priest in a manner similar to the way Abraham was going to kill Isaac. Then who would have been to blame for killing Jesus? It would still be ourselves and our children, along with our forefathers, who made it necessary for Jesus to die to purchase our redemption. It's very sobering, but not a perpetual curse.

[Ron Amnsn]

"... they will be compelled to acknowledge, 'Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord.'" Early Writings, p.179.

Yes, some will probably be compelled to acknowledge this. But Jesus was speaking of the whole city of Jerusalem. Your quotation is speaking of a smaller group.

[Ron Amnsn]

"Does the sun still shine by day?"

"Yes," the answer had to be.

"Does the moon shine by night at this present time?"

"Yes, it does."

"Then is it possible for God to have cast off Israel for what they have done?"

Imagine how convincing this was to those people back then!

Now this tactic on the part of the devil to thwart the truth is so old and so often used that one would think that it would be no longer of any value, but in every generation when the Lord brings forth the truth, the devil brings out this weapon and uses it just as effectively as before.

You wax eloquent. But I think you don't understand God's covenant with Israel. The Jews understand that being God's chosen people isn't an endorsement or a guaranteed blessing. It is a responsibility. That's why they put proselytes through such a rigorous conversion process, often trying to convince them not to convert.

Christians who claim to be "spiritual Israel" or "God's chosen people" often do so glibly thinking that there are only blessings involved. That is a tactic of the devil, because it is contrary to God's word in several respects.

But trusting that God actually means what he says is not a bad thing.

[Ron Amnsn]

Luke 23:34 And Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."

All the New Testament authors wrote as if God answered that prayer of Jesus and offered forgiveness to those who mocked and killed the Messiah.

However, Christian writers from around the 3rd century onward have written as if God did not answer that prayer of Jesus -- that his enemies (and the whole Jewish nation) remained unforgiven.

That contradiction (between the what the New Testament says and the man-made traditions created by Christian writers and theologians) has spawned much erroneous theology and anti-Semitism.

Can we discard more of the baggage that the Roman church dumped on us?

Or have the passing centuries somehow turned error into sacred "truth"?