It was bound to happen

[abelisle]

Seems like all the political vitriol and violent rhetoric has come to fruition in Arizona.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0824211020110108

As of this writing, we don't know the motive or the political leanings of the assailant but it surely doesn't bode well for the political health of this country.

Just where is all this going eschatologically?

Alex

[Gail]

Tell me more, Alex...

[Woody]

I don't know the details of this but I don't feel the actions of one individual represents the state of the country.

[abelisle]

Woody,

I hope you're right and I'm wrong but I have a bad feeling about this especially based on her being on Palin's "hit" list and the comment her grandfather made when asked if she had any enemies and his reply was "Yes, the whole Tea Party."

We can't continue to spew hate speech in the media e.g. Beck et al and expect nothing to happen. As they say "what goes around, comes around."

Alex

[Dr. Shane]

I don't think things like this are bound to happen. At least I choose not to be that negative. I suppose some believe the assassination of our first black President is bound to happen. I certainly hope not.

Shooting Takes on Political Overtones

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“At a time like this, it is terrible that we do have to think about politics, but no matter what the shooter’s motivations were, the left is going to blame this on the Tea Party Movement,” said Judson Phillips, the Tennessee lawyer who started Tea Party Nation. “Already on liberal websites, the far left is trying to accuse the Tea Party of being involved.

[John317]

Compared to what's coming, we're still living in relative peaceful, prosperous, happy times.

The Bible and Ellen White both predict times that will be like WW II all over the globe, only worse. The U.S. will completely collapse economically and there will be many Christian/SDA martyrs during intense persecution. So, as bad as it is, we really haven't seen anything yet. I think the shooting is an example of the terrible things we'll eventually see more of in this country as people get more desperate and the Holy Spirit is withdrawn. We will need to be able to stand all alone with only Christ as our helper.

[abelisle]

Shane and Woody,

I hope both of you are right and I pray for the welfare of our country. All we can do is wait and see.

Alex

[Woody]

[phkrause]

[Gordon1]

Compared to what's coming, we're still living in relative peaceful, prosperous, happy times.

The Bible and Ellen White both predict times that will be like WW II all over the globe, only worse. The U.S. will completely collapse economically and there will be many Christian/SDA martyrs during intense persecution. So, as bad as it is, we really haven't seen anything yet. I think the shooting is an example of the terrible things we'll eventually see more of in this country as people get more desperate and the Holy Spirit is withdrawn. We will need to be able to stand all alone with only Christ as our helper.

Thanks John, this is the only context that truly matters. Careful students of prophecy know that the end-time will come about suddenly, and 'with blinding force'. Those who believe will prepare. Incidents like this can spark a conflagration if the tinder is dry - think of the L.A riots of 1992.

Images from Tucson remind me of natural disasters I've attended where there is always a supportive infrastructure. Helicopters, firemen, EMTs, surgeons, ICUs. Such will not be the case when Michael stands up. (Daniel 12:1) Thanks again for this reminder John. These thoughts should be with us continually.

[Woody]

Bring it on Lord Jesus. Bring it on. May you come soon.

[LifeHiscost]

Shane and Woody,

I hope both of you are right and I pray for the welfare of our country. All we can do is wait and see.

Alex

". The agencies of evil are combining their forces, and consolidating. They are strengthening for the last great crisis. Great changes are soon to take place in our world, and the final movements will be rapid ones."

—Testimonies for the Church 9:11 {ChS 52.2}

" Jesus will come soon to end the reign of sin and death. And there are many who have been worshiping Baal ignorantly, but with whom the Spirit of God is still striving—" Prophets and Kings, 170, 171. {ChS 57.2}

"The spirit of anarchy is permeating all nations, and the outbreaks that from time to time excite the horror of the world are but indications of the pent-up fires of passion and lawlessness that, having once escaped control, will fill the earth with woe and desolation."

Patriarchs and Prophets, 102. {ChS 53.3}

"Multitudes have been living in transgression of God’s law, and now He in mercy calls them to obey its sacred precepts. All who will put away their sins by repentance toward God and faith in Christ, are offered pardon.—"Patriarchs and Prophets, 102. {ChS 53.3}

God Blesses!

[bonnie]

Seems like all the political vitriol and violent rhetoric has come to fruition in Arizona.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0824211020110108

As of this writing, we don't know the motive or the political leanings of the assailant but it surely doesn't bode well for the political health of this country.

If as you say you do not know the political leanings of the shooter then why include in the blame Beck and others.

The shooter's favorite reading material might give you a clue...Site Reveals Clues About The Killer, Lists Mein

Kampf And Communist Manifesto Among Favorite Books ...

I would really appreciate if you could give me a good example of "hate speech" that would lead this man to kill so many.

Is it the same rationale that led bloomberg to include the tea party as part of the blame for the Times Square attempt.

Or the guessing of the nutcase Dr that went on a shooting rampage?

I am sure you would not place blame or insinutae blame without good solid proof,Would You?

[Gordon1]

Good reminders LHC.

[Jeannieb43]

From the news reports I've heard, this unstable shooter was set off by the things he heard the tea partiers say in the recent special election, in which this Congressperson won her seat by a very slim margin.

The tea party people should bear some of the responsibility for this violent act.

[Overaged]

From the news reports I've heard, this unstable shooter was set off by the things he heard the tea partiers say in the recent special election, in which this Congressperson won her seat by a very slim margin.

The tea party people should bear some of the responsibility for this violent act.

The shooter wasn't set off by the "tea party." He was set off by whatever was in his head BEFORE anything said or done by the tea party was. To blame the tea party is wrong.

[Woody]

If he was set off by the tea party ... why did he kill a nine year old girl who was not a member of any party. No. The guy was just crazy. He was mentally ill just lookin' for an excuse to do crazy things.

What is wrong with America is when we jump to wild conclusions and fear of conspiracy theories. Shameful.

[Dr. Shane]

The congresswoman is a conservative Democrat who voted against Nancy Pelosi for Speaker of the House.

[Gerr]

If he was set off by the tea party ... why did he kill a nine year old girl who was not a member of any party. No. The guy was just crazy. He was mentally ill just lookin' for an excuse to do crazy things.

What is wrong with America is when we jump to wild conclusions and fear of conspiracy theories. Shameful.

Innocent bystander. Collateral damage.

[abelisle]

Originally Posted By: abelisle

Seems like all the political vitriol and violent rhetoric has come to fruition in Arizona.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0824211020110108

As of this writing, we don't know the motive or the political leanings of the assailant but it surely doesn't bode well for the political health of this country.

If as you say you do not know the political leanings of the shooter then why include in the blame Beck and others.

The shooter's favorite reading material might give you a clue...Site Reveals Clues About The Killer, Lists Mein

Kampf And Communist Manifesto Among Favorite Books ...

I would really appreciate if you could give me a good example of "hate speech" that would lead this man to kill so many.

Is it the same rationale that led bloomberg to include the tea party as part of the blame for the Times Square attempt.

Or the guessing of the nutcase Dr that went on a shooting rampage?

I am sure you would not place blame or insinutae blame without good solid proof,Would You?

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[Woody]

Originally Posted By: Woody

If he was set off by the tea party ... why did he kill a nine year old girl who was not a member of any party. No. The guy was just crazy. He was mentally ill just lookin' for an excuse to do crazy things.

What is wrong with America is when we jump to wild conclusions and fear of conspiracy theories. Shameful.

Innocent bystander. Collateral damage.

After he shot his intended victim ... there were 19 bystanders? Come on. The guys was just nuts. Any doctor could tell you that. There's no wave of tea partyers going out and just killing whomever they can find. This will all die down. And some will be eating crow.

[Jeannieb43]

Keith Olbermann is right. We should SHUN all who advocate violence in any form against political opponents.

[bonnie]

Keith Olbermann is right. We should SHUN all who advocate violence in any form against political opponents.

Who has advocated violence

[Woody]

Originally Posted By: Jeannieb43

Keith Olbermann is right. We should SHUN all who advocate violence in any form against political opponents.

Who has advocated violence

I agree with you Bonnie. I'm just shaking my head. I listen to the news every day and I have yet to hear anyone advocate violence except for a few right to lifers. Actually this is just the fear mongering tactics of the left. They are the ones that want to divide our nation with fear.

[Dr. Shane]

Keith Olbermann is a far left-wing commentator. He is to the left what Rush Limbaugh is to the right. They are both part of the problem in America today. Keith Olbermann telling people not to "target" their political enemies is like the pot calling the kettle black.