Woody Posted April 4, 2011 Posted April 4, 2011 Quote: Mal.3:8 "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings." Can those who are robbing God of tithes and offerings "inherit the kingdom of God" OR ... is it okay to be a thief if you are just robbing from God rather than from man? Quote: 1 Cor. 6:9-10 "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." Here are some thoughts: Our prophet says that Tithe is the "Test of heavenly fellowship" See EV 251 She also states that Faithfulness in tithe paying is a condition to answered prayers. See COL144 Dishonesty in tithing "is registered in the books of heaven as robbery toward Him." CS 77 In the Church Manual p. 135 Tithe paying is described as a "spiritual exercise in which we should all have a part of. It can't be separated from the message of salvation". Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators Gerr Posted April 5, 2011 Moderators Posted April 5, 2011 If thieves are admitted into heaven, so should idolaters and adulterers, and murderers, etc. etc. Quote
Woody Posted April 5, 2011 Author Posted April 5, 2011 If thieves are admitted into heaven, so should idolaters and adulterers, and murderers, etc. etc. Praise God Gerry. Yes, we do know that there will be idolaters and adulterers, and/or murderers in Heaven. In fact there already is. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Woody Posted April 5, 2011 Author Posted April 5, 2011 Ex? Or present? I doubt there are any present murders in heaven. But there are murderers. However ... once we get to heaven we will be transformed so we don't murder anymore. Praise God. For I would not want to go to heaven and experience what we have on Earth. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Musicman1228 Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 Do any of you know the purpose for tithe as designed by God in the Old Testament? Today the church (SDA and otherwise) uses the concept of 'tithe' to extort money from the masses of believers as a means of command and control, and as a means of wielding power. No one goes beyond the texts cited above because they support this extortion, when they do not mean what it is said they mean. If you do even a little research on this you will discover that the real purpose of tithe was to celebrate before the Lord. Secondary to that was taking care of the needy and supplying the priesthood with what they needed to work in the Temple. As with other things Jesus put an end to tithing when He died on the cross. Quote
Moderators Gerr Posted April 7, 2011 Moderators Posted April 7, 2011 Pray tell, how are those spreading the gospel supposed to live? No one is twisting my arm to return the tithe. Quote
Woody Posted April 8, 2011 Author Posted April 8, 2011 Quote: Today the church (SDA and otherwise) uses the concept of 'tithe' to extort money from the masses of believers If someone doesn't want to show their ownership to God and that God is the owner of all we have ... then I would have to question their relationship. The symbolism is out of this world. No extortion needed. Just a love for God. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Dr. Rich Posted April 8, 2011 Posted April 8, 2011 Ya Gerry, pray tell how William Miller and his group ever got the time and money to spread the news and get a group together as found in 1844? Huh? Wasn't it Uriah Smith who said that when 'we' have to pay people to study and hear the truth of the gospel, then that is when it will become a business and will cease to become what God wishes as every man and woman are the priests. Jesus NEVER came to set up any church and establish a paid position as a pastor. Each of the disciples were to teach others and pass along this message of the Kingdom of Heaven. As such, they still needed their jobs as fishermen. Are not we to trust in God and not in man? Quote
Sonny Posted April 8, 2011 Posted April 8, 2011 Mal.3:8 "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings." Read the rest! "you are cursed with a curse". That's old covenant. Compare Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them." Tithing is not a condition of heaven. If it is heaven is for sale and so is salvation. Having said that, it makes since to support the church you attend. Quote
Woody Posted April 8, 2011 Author Posted April 8, 2011 Originally Posted By: Woody Mal.3:8 "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings." Read the rest! "you are cursed with a curse". That's old covenant. Compare Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them." Tithing is not a condition of heaven. If it is heaven is for sale and so is salvation. Having said that, it makes since to support the church you attend. Nothing's for sale. Believe me ... more people will be saved who DON'T pay tithe compared to those that DO. (At least according to Woody's prognistication.) Paying Tithe does not get you closer to heaven in any way. But those going to heaven ... often times do pay tithe. And for good reason. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators Gerr Posted April 8, 2011 Moderators Posted April 8, 2011 Ya Gerry, pray tell how William Miller and his group ever got the time and money to spread the news and get a group together as found in 1844? Huh? And how were the priests supported in OT times? ESV | Ac 6:2 And the twelve summoned the full number of the disciples and said, “It is not right that we should give up preaching the word of God to serve tables. ESV | Dt 25:4 “You shall not muzzle an ox when it is treading out the grain. Quote
Moderators Gerr Posted April 8, 2011 Moderators Posted April 8, 2011 Originally Posted By: Woody Mal.3:8 "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings." Read the rest! "you are cursed with a curse". That's old covenant. Compare Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them." Tithing is not a condition of heaven. If it is heaven is for sale and so is salvation. Having said that, it makes since to support the church you attend. Tithing does not save, but stealing will certainly keep the thief out of heaven. The practice of tithing came loooonnnnnggg before the Law. "With their lips they show much love, but their pocketbooks are far from me." Paraphrase. Quote
Woody Posted April 8, 2011 Author Posted April 8, 2011 Quote: The practice of tithing came loooonnnnnggg before the Law. I was not aware that the angels paid tithe. But then I haven't read that they did't. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Members phkrause Posted April 8, 2011 Members Posted April 8, 2011 I was not aware that the angels paid tithe. But then I haven't read that they did't. LOL Woody, but I believe he's talking about the time of Abraham! Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Woody Posted April 8, 2011 Author Posted April 8, 2011 Originally Posted By: Woody I was not aware that the angels paid tithe. But then I haven't read that they did't. LOL Woody, but I believe he's talking about the time of Abraham! Yes. But the law of God was before Abraham. It was in heaven first. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Members phkrause Posted April 8, 2011 Members Posted April 8, 2011 Yes. But the law of God was before Abraham. It was in heaven first. Not sure what Gerry meant about the law. I meant that Abraham after rescuing Lot, I believe, he paid a tithe to the high priest of Salem. Not sure if that was the first time tithe had been paid or not? But that's what I was thinking. Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Moderators Gerr Posted April 8, 2011 Moderators Posted April 8, 2011 The law given at Sinai. The Covenant that became "Old Covenant" was also given at that time. Quote
Woody Posted April 8, 2011 Author Posted April 8, 2011 The angels had the law prior to Sinai. So did humans. It was just because of the stupidity of the peoples that God had to give it in written form. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Overaged Posted April 8, 2011 Posted April 8, 2011 As with other things Jesus put an end to tithing when He died on the cross. Jesus did not put an end to "tithe" when He died on the cross. Show one Bible text that supports that please! Maybe if we take your idea all the way; we could just give testimony to the world that we tithe so we can afford to buy more of these: Quote "People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)"I cannot know why suddenly the stormshould rage so fiercely round me in it's wrathBut this I know: God watches all my pathAnd I can trust""God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - OveragedFaith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ
Woody Posted April 8, 2011 Author Posted April 8, 2011 Yum Yum Overaged. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Tallmark Posted April 9, 2011 Posted April 9, 2011 We get to heaven by believing in Jesus (John 3:16) not by tithe paying, Sabbath keeping, vegetarianism or any other "act" or self-works. Quote
Woody Posted April 9, 2011 Author Posted April 9, 2011 We get to heaven by believing in Jesus (John 3:16) not by tithe paying, Sabbath keeping, vegetarianism or any other "act" or self-works. Amen Tallmark. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
LifeHiscost Posted April 9, 2011 Posted April 9, 2011 Originally Posted By: Gerry Cabalo Ex? Or present? I doubt there are any present murders in heaven. But there are murderers. However ... once we get to heaven we will be transformed so we don't murder anymore. Praise God. For I would not want to go to heaven and experience what we have on Earth. Can one enter heaven without tithing? Hmmmm That's something like asking can we stay married without providing food for our spouse? Perhaps possible but very problematic. "For I am jealous for you with the jealousy of God himself. I promised you as a pure bride to one husband—Christ. "2 Corinthians 11:2 NLT As to are there murderers or adulterers in heaven? Decidedly not, if one accepts God's Word as reliable. And to tell you the truth, whether you believe His Word or not. "Therefore if any person is [ingrafted] in Christ (the Messiah) he is a new creation (a new creature altogether); the old [previous moral and spiritual condition] has passed away. Behold, the fresh and new has come!" 2 Corinthians 5:17 AMP brackets parenthesis their's LHC There will be no "old man of sin" to contend with, in heaven or the earth made new! God blesses! Quote Lift Jesus up!!
LifeHiscost Posted April 9, 2011 Posted April 9, 2011 The symbolism is out of this world. No extortion needed. Just a love for God. Good show, Woody. It's one of those principles of the Kingdom revealed by the Holy Spirit only to those who work for God out of a love for Him. "Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give."Matthew 10:8 NKJV God blesses! Quote Lift Jesus up!!
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