A Question

[Woody]

Is there anyone we should not share the Truth with?

Or should the Gospel go to all corners of the earth?

I am interested in either or both of EGW or scripture.

[phkrause]

I believe Jesus said to take the gospel to all the earth? So I would say there is no place, no where, or no one that the gospel should not go to.

[Woody]

[Gerr]

ESV | Mt 7:6 “Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.

[ClubV12]

...and don't forget to shake the dust off your feet when you leave the town of those who reject the message.

[miz3]

To all,

You may not like what my position is:

1. It depends on what the Holy Spirit wants you to do according to the Father's plan for you.

2. God may have commissioned the Early Corporate Church, however, each individual had different gifts and different roles to play. Not everyone was to confront the heathen and give then a "formal" Bible study. So it is today.

3. When Jesus was on earth why didn't he heal everyone at the Pool which would have releaved so much more suffering? Instead Jesus healed only one cripelled man. The others got nothing. He healed only one because that was the Will of the Father.

4. In many ways, not all, the SDA Church wants everyone to just blanket the earth and "witness" in a manner likened to taking a handful of seeds and just throwing it everywhere and hoping to get something back into the church. Is this really following the Matthew 28 Great Commission. My view is no (generally speaking).

Maybe more will come later but that is at least a start from me.

Oh, great topic Woody!

[Musicman1228]

I believe Jesus said to take the gospel to all the earth? So I would say there is no place, no where, or no one that the gospel should not go to.

Which gospel? There are several to choose from, all but one of which are not the right one.

[Haldog]

Which gospel? There are several to choose from, all but one of which are not the right one.

I hadn't heard there was more than one, what are they?

[John317]

Originally Posted By: pkrause

I believe Jesus said to take the gospel to all the earth? So I would say there is no place, no where, or no one that the gospel should not go to.

Which gospel? There are several to choose from, all but one of which are not the right one.

I'm pretty sure you're referring to the gospel that Paul preached, as well as to that contained in the rest of the books of the NT that you reject. It is the same as Christ's gospel-- believe it or not.

But there are also many false gospels, such as the one that says Acts 2 describes the work of Satan instead of the work of the Holy Spirit. It's a dangeerous thing to attribute to the Devil the work of the Holy Spirit. What can God do for people who can't see the difference between God's work and the Devil's?

There's a difference between the false views people get from reading the Bible and the Bible's message itself. It seems to me that you are not rejecting Paul's message but rather the message that you believe Paul preached.

That gospel is false, for instance, which teaches that faith releases the believer from obediecne to the law of God. But yet it is a popular view. There are others who believe Jesus' sermon on the mount is not for Gentiles but only for those under the law. So any true gospel can be misinterpretated and perverted. It's not the fault of the gospel. The fault lies with the people who choose to twist it.

[Haldog]

looks like there is confusion about what the Good News really is, lol.

I Cor 15:1-4

"Now I make known to you brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.  For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures..."

[John317]

Yes, sadly there is lots of confusion about the Good News. Much of it is because people reject some portion of the Scriptrue or else don't take some part of the Bible into consideration. If they reject the evidence that contradicts them, and then say there's no evidence that contradicts them, they're only playing games with the evidence. Of course there's no evidence showing they are wrong because they purposely rejected it. People do that with both the Bible and the Spirit of prophecy. I think it's important to be willing to accept everything the Bible teaches, including the epistles of Paul, Jude, James, and Peter. I can't understand why anyone would want to get rid of them. Same with Ellen White's writings-- except if people want to live contary to what God revealed through them.

[Haldog]

Yep, there is still massive confusion. The Spirit of Prophecy is Jesus Christ, not ellen.

[Gerr]

Yep, there is still massive confusion. The Spirit of Prophecy is Jesus Christ, not ellen.

ESV Rev 19:10 .....For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

[miz3]

Yep! Haldog is right.

Jesus' testimony and Jesus are one and the same. Revelation 19:10 as quoted previously states the testimony of Jesus and the Spirit of Prophecy are congruent.

Thus,

Jesus Christ = Testimony of Jesus = Spirit of Prophecy

This does not mean that God did not call Ellen White for a special work. He did.

When humans proclaim the same Word as Jesus Christ they are indeed citing the Testimony of Jesus and also the Spirit of Prophecy. That does not make the human entity the Spirit of Prophecy it just means they are speaking the Spirit of Prophecy by the Holy Spirit. This is what Ellen White did.

It is also what many other servants of God have done throughout history.

As human entities speaking by Inspiration from the Holy Spirit it does not mean that the human entity is in the "ON POSITION" of Inspiration 24/7. Unfortunately in this regard SDA are close (maybe even razor thin) to the mistake that Mormons and Christian Scientist make with their prophets.

The fact that a prophet is not in the ON POSITION 24/7 means that these human entities had personal views on other things which would NOT BE INSPIRED. These same ones would have views on Doctrines or Scripture that were their own views also. Some of these "own views" were right and some were wrong.

On the "common plane" as opposed to the "ON POSITION plane" the Holy Spirit worked in these humans the same as He does in you and me. Thus, their writings and their speakings must be separated from the "common plane" and the "ON POSITION plane".

With Ellen White it appears that SDA are unwilling to accept anything about her except that she was in the ON POSITION 24/7. This puts Ellen White in an unfair position. Moses came about as close as anyone could in terms of time in the ON POSITION but even he was not ON POSITION 24/7.

It might seem that I stray from the discussion of the Gospel but this would be wrong. By doing what they have done SDA have strayed from the Gospel, a thing Ellen White herself did not do.

Scripture makes the Gospel about Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, SDA have slipped into the position where the gospel is about them. SDA believe we are to tell the World that SDA are the last day church and as such if you do not join them then you are part of Babylon. (I have seen this done time and time again in their evangelistic outreaches--first hand). To demonstrate that they are the last day church they have created the "Sanctuary" Doctrine, with its attendant subdoctrine "The Investigative Judgment".

Thus instead of making the Gospel about Jesus Christ and how He is so great....SDA make the gospel about them and how great they are because they are the "Last Day Church".

[phkrause]

Yes, sadly there is lots of confusion about the Good News. Much of it is because people reject some portion of the Scriptrue or else don't take some part of the Bible into consideration. If they reject the evidence that contradicts them, and then say there's no evidence that contradicts them, they're only playing games with the evidence. Of course there's no evidence showing they are wrong because they purposely rejected it. People do that with both the Bible and the Spirit of prophecy. I think it's important to be willing to accept everything the Bible teaches, including the epistles of Paul, Jude, James, and Peter. I can't understand why anyone would want to get rid of them. Same with Ellen White's writings-- except if people want to live contary to what God revealed through them.

[Woody]

Originally Posted By: Haldog

Yep, there is still massive confusion. The Spirit of Prophecy is Jesus Christ, not ellen.

ESV Rev 19:10 .....For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

"Silas, Paul's companion in labor, was a tried worker, gifted with the spirit of prophecy" AA 203

"The spirit of prophecy was upon this man of God [simeon], and while Joseph and Mary stood by, wondering at his words, he blessed them, and said unto Mary, "Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; (yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed." DG 75

"Through holy angels God revealed to Enoch His purpose to destroy the world by a flood, and He also opened more fully to him the plan of redemption. By the spirit of prophecy He carried him down through the generations that should live after the Flood, and showed him the great events connected with the second coming of Christ and the end of the world." PP 85 "Enoch faithfully rehearsed to the people all that God had revealed to him by the spirit of prophecy." 1SP 62

"But God, by the spirit of prophecy, elevated the mind of Jacob above his natural feelings. In his last hours, angels were all around him, and the power of the grace of God shone upon him. His paternal feelings would have led him to utter, in his dying testimony, only expressions of love and tenderness. But under the influence of inspiration he uttered truth, although painful." 1SP 156

[Ron Amnsn]

Is there anyone we should not share the Truth with?

Or should the Gospel go to all corners of the earth?

Act 16:6 "And they went through the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia."

[Woody]

Originally Posted By: Woody

Is there anyone we should not share the Truth with?

Or should the Gospel go to all corners of the earth?

Act 16:6 "And they went through the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia."

Don't we have churches in Asia? Maybe we should pull out.

[ClubV12]

Looks like a case of time and place Woody, for whatever reason, that was not the time or the place for them to speak, in Asia.

[Woody]

When did he authorize a return?

[Dr. Rich]

And Ron, if you believe all of the stuff found in Acts, it being written by Luke who never saw Jesus and was not even a Hebrew, then how easy it has become to deceive those who fail to study the words of Jesus! Remember Ron, it was the people of Asia who put Paul and Luke to a test and found them to be false apostles. (Rev. 2:2, Acts 21:27-29 and 2Tim. 1:15 & 18.)

[ClubV12]

Dr. Rich, I'm just curious. Is there anybody else, besides Ellen White, Luke and Paul, you reject as the Lord's messengers?

Thats a pretty deep hole your digging... :)

[Dr. Rich]

Ron, Jesus prayed to His Father for unity for those who follow after the truth. The ONLY way we can have this same unity as Jesus did with His Father is through the ONE leader and teacher and that alone is Jesus Christ as found in Matthew 23:10.

Jesus said that there will ONLY be one flock with ONE shepherd (Jn. 10:16). Yet Paul's lie as found in Eph. 4:11 has Jesus being the one who authorized apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers. No where will you find that Jesus did this other than the 12 disciples and the ONE "Elijah" as found in Matthew 24:45. And this ONE will only be teaching exactly what Jesus taught which has been given to us by ONLY His eyewitnesses as found in John 14:26 and 17:17-20.

Now read 1Cor. 15:3-8 and you will hear a story that is full of lies. Paul never received his gospel from the disciiples. And Jesus did not die for the sins of anyone, but He did pay the penalty for the sin of Adam because if Adam had paid this penalty then you and I would not be here today. Yes, He did die to purchase people to belong to His kingdom, those who overcome sin and become righteous.

Paul has Jesus first appearing to Peter and this is proof that Paul taught Luke. And as for appearing to more than 500 'brethren', where did Paul get this? And where did Paul get the idea that Jesus ever appeard to James? Yes, James (the brother of Jesus and NOT a disciple) did say that he had received a 'revelation' from Jesus, just as did Paul. But this was NOT the same as when Jesus was here on this earth. Jesus NEVER visited James and He NEVER visited Saul/Paul! By the way, Saul/Paul was alive at the same time that Jesus was here on this earth, so why didn't Jesus choose him then?

[ClubV12]

"...Jesus said that there will ONLY be one flock with ONE shepherd..."

I'm not sure I follow the logic but it sounds like outside of Jesus Himself, the 12 specific chosen and Elijah, everyone else is suspect or dismissed (Moses, Daniel, etc.)? Or, is it only the New Testament authors that are suspect and the Old Testament authors are OK?

[Dr. Rich]

Jesus ratified or verified that the "Law and the Prophets" (the only thing known as scripture at that time) by teaching from them. Therefore, we can know that the Law and Prophets are correct.

If you are having trouble with the NT, then do some research on who it was and why they chose what went into the NT. You will find that the original NT contained many 'books' written by others that were later taken out of the NT by those who did not believe those books should be there.

Since this happened, why don't you get upset with THOSE who did that? Why get upset with me when I believe that the words of Jesus given to us by His eyewitnesses are what we are to test everthing else by?