The Adventist perspective on the Godhead (or Trinity)

[Brother Peter]

When the truth is accepted it cuts deeper than a knife or sword so that the soul can see the light that is shining on their path way and be free from sin , but when darkness is accepted for truth it cuts a way the truth that is within and takes away the life giving truth. Darkness came when the trinity came in the church, very few were able to escape but the majority is still stumbling in darkness today.

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Bro. Peter

[miz3]

I see, you have the "light"?

[Israfel]

Proverbs 8:35

"For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD"

John 14:6

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

John 10:10

"The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly."

Matthew 11:27

"All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him."

Jesus (Yahshua) is the LIGHT and calls in whomever He desires and it is not by predestination but by the believer's choice, as He is requested and accepted.

May God our Father bless you as you seek for Him.

[Jody]

Proverbs 8:35

"For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD"

John 14:6

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

John 10:10

"The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly."

Matthew 11:27

"All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him."

Jesus (Yahshua) is the LIGHT and calls in whomever He desires and it is not by predestination but by the believer's choice, as He is requested and accepted.

May God our Father bless you as you seek for Him.

Amen!

[miz3]

That is correct Jesus Christ is the Light.

NOT THE CSDA CHURCH AND NOT PASTORCHICK!

Yet that is what pastorchick teaches is that the CSDA has the Light and that pastorchick has the Light and that pastorchick receives his messages of light DIRECT FROM GOD!

Straight out of the "cult" handbook!

[Gustave]

Gustave,

Are you so "drunk with the wine of Babylon" that you are using Scripture to nullify Scripture? I have difficulty with your reasoning.

[Pastor_Chick]

That is correct Jesus Christ is the Light.

NOT THE CSDA CHURCH AND NOT PASTORCHICK!

Yet that is what pastorchick teaches is that the CSDA has the Light and that pastorchick has the Light and that pastorchick receives his messages of light DIRECT FROM GOD!

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[Israfel]

Malachi 4:5

"Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:"

John 1:

"And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No."

Matthew 17:10-13.

"After John was martyred, the disciples asked Jesus, "Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?" Jesus answered, "Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say unto you, that Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist."

We see here an example dual fulfillment of prophecy, something predicted and that happens at least twice just as Jesus explained to his disciples in that last passage. There are quite a lot of dual fulfillment prophecy.

See section 5 of this essay:

http://www.csda.kr/CSDAChurch/Binary/essays/eReview01.html

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[miz3]

pastorchick,

When Jesus said that we are the Light of the world He was not just talking to you.

Yet that is how you are applying it.

Such interpretations in which the cult sees themselves as the only application of Scripture is quite typical.

Once again, pastorchick, you give us evidence that you are cult and cult leader in which Truth does not abide.

The more you talk on this website the more we see how foolish and cultish you and yours are.

Keep it up, please keep it up!

[Light Fox]

Gus,

That's an interesting take on those verses. I don't believe I've ever encountered the idea that Jerusalem is Babylon the Whore before.

I'd be interested in discussing that further with you, but I imagine at this point, it has almost as little to do with the topic of this thread as Miz's usual fare. Would you be open to starting another thread, or myself doing so, to discuss that issue further? There's a number of verses that come to mind about it, but I'd like to get your agreement on moving to another venue lest it seem I'm opening up a thread specifically to "bash" you or your ideas.

[Israfel]

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Well now after this Miz, I want to ask, of all the Christian groups that you know or have heard about, has anyone from them testified of being the Elijah that was to come before the Great Day of judgment?

If you have not, and someone here comes in this forum and mention it to you that they are the one, why not give them the benefit of the doubt at least and look into their sayings.

It is true that we are living in troublesome time. But did Jesus say that Elias would come at a time of peace. Since from He came He said that he has come to put enmity between good and evil. (Matthew 10:34) So it is in a time of war, both spiritual and literal war that Elijah would come.

And that spiritual war is between the GC SDA and the Church that dare call out their sins and plead for their repentance.

When David sinned what happened? Did God bore patiently with him and never brought the consequences upon him. Did he use anybody? Praise God that David was a man after his (God)own heart and he repented.

But the adulterous spouse will not repent and forsake her lovers so, Yahweh had to repudiate her and if the dear individual souls will not humble themselves and repent, He promised to come and remove their candlestick and they be left in total darkness. Surely they will all perish like the Jews of old with their leaders and all and I tell you this time is near at hand.

"Save yourself from this untoward generation" Miz3, lest you be left desolate as well.

[Gustave]

Gus,

That's an interesting take on those verses. I don't believe I've ever encountered the idea that Jerusalem is Babylon the Whore before.

I'd be interested in discussing that further with you, but I imagine at this point, it has almost as little to do with the topic of this thread as Miz's usual fare. Would you be open to starting another thread, or myself doing so, to discuss that issue further? There's a number of verses that come to mind about it, but I'd like to get your agreement on moving to another venue lest it seem I'm opening up a thread specifically to "bash" you or your ideas.

I'm pretty much shot otherwise I would do it tonight....

...I'll start a new thread about this when I get the chance.

...Don't worry, I can take a beating and appreciate having my faith "tested".

[miz3]

Israfel,

The Bible tells us to test the "spirits" NOT TO GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT!

That is what I have done. I asked pastorchick questions and he clammed up because my questioning, while highly legitimate, was exposing pastorchick as a fake. Does the real "Elijah" clam up when asked legitimate questions? NO!

I have pointed out to you and others on this website the legitimate reasons why pastorchick is not only NOT ELIJAH, but is also NOT A PROPHET.

I have given you sign after sign of his cultish spirit and attributes. Yet you are so brainwashed that you refuse to see the Truth.

Rather then test pastorchicks premises you accept them.

Pastorchick is a very clever person. He first sucks you in by pointing the great faults of the SDA Church. And it is true that SDA Church has many faults and evils within her midst.

Once you are hooked on that bait about the SDA Church then pastorchick comes by with smooth words of how the true entities should operate and how he operates on a different spirit.

In addition to reinforce his point pastorchick purposefully picks a name "Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church", knowing full well that he wants a David and Goliath fight. This is also meant to elicit your sympathy and your support.

He claims to have DIRECT CONTACT WITH GOD! WHY? So you will be afraid to challenge him to closely. This is a common trick of all smoothies who form cults. Have you tested pastorchick's Visions to make sure they are genuine?

If pastorchick were the genuine article he would not be brushing me off but he would encourage me to challenge him more and more closely. This is obviously not the case. Pastorchick constantly hides from me and my inquiries.

I have seen many a pastorchick like entity come down the pike before and he is nothing new.

You have so accepted each and every premise, like a door to door salesman, and you have done so without real critical and studious checking to see if he is genuine. Again, he is very clever because he throws huge numbers of texts and Ellen White passages at you in rapid fire that makes you head spin. He spins so complicated a web that it is difficult to follow unless pastorchick translates it for you.

The SDA Church is indeed filled with many sins but I assure you, you and all those associated with pastorchick will live to regret it if you continue to accept his very clever con job.

Setting the SDA Church on the correct path is not through pastorchick and the CSDA!

[Pastor_Chick]

pastorchick,

When Jesus said that we are the Light of the world He was not just talking to you.

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In fact, He was talking to YOU, but your behavior indicates that you do not believe Him. What you are displaying is not "the light of the world."

[miz3]

I can only shed light as to the phoniness that comes from you and your cultish movement.

[ClubV12]

"...he clammed up because my questioning, while highly legitimate,.."

Now that right there is funny!

Highly legitmate questions? Rubber hoses, bright lights and water boarding would be more like it!

[Pastor_Chick]

Gustave has made the case and defended it well -- Ellen White was NOT a Trinitarian.

If the SDA Church is to claim otherwise, they MUST throw out nearly all of her statements about the Godhead.

Here are a few examples that would be assigned to the trash, since the person-hood of the Holy Spirit is not present.

God informed Satan that to his Son alone he would reveal his secret purposes, and he required all the family in Heaven, even Satan, to yield him implicit, unquestioned obedience; (1SP 22)

I saw a throne, and on it sat the Father and the Son. I gazed onJesus’ countenance and admired His lovely person. The Father’s person I could not behold, for a cloud of glorious light covered Him. I asked Jesus if His Father had a form like Himself. He said He had, but I could not behold it, for said He, “If you should once behold the glory of His person, you would cease to exist.” (EW 54)

Many of Satan’s sympathizers were inclined to heed the counsel of the loyal angels, and repent of their dissatisfaction, and be again received to the confidence of the Father and his dear Son. (1SP 20)

The loyal angels hasten speedily to the Son of God, and acquaint him with what is taking place among the angels. They find the Father in conference with his beloved Son, to determine the means by which, for the best good of the loyal angels, the assumed authority of Satan could be forever down. (1SP 21)

[Israfel]

Miz3,

I thought you were an intelligent person, sorry I must leave you alone to the buffetings of Satan whom you have chosen to follow rather than the LIGHT from Heaven.

Very sad that this is your condition!

[miz3]

Israfel,

Are my judge that you can damn me to hell? Now I know that is not Biblical. I don't even need to cite the texts because I know that you know them when they say "not to judge" (meaning not judge others as saved or lost)! Yet that is precisely what you have done.

You are the one in danger my friend. You disobey Scripture openly and blatantly. Like Qinael, you have just committed known sin. I guess you both will have start over again because it is clear you do not have the Spirit of Christ fully operating in your heart.

I know my life is hid in Jesus Christ and I depend on Him for my Salvation. Unfortunately you depend on you self righteousness to overcome all known sin and then you exalt in your attainments instead of being humble and letting God have the glory. Stop shoving "your perfection" down everyone's throat as if you are superior to other humans.

Superiority complex (sinless perfection on your part) another attribute of cults and cultish entities.

[cheddar]

Here's a good picture of Satan's real character.

Socalled Christian's who shove the ten commandments down everyone's throat.

There probably couldn't be a worse witness for the truth and Christ than someone who is so legalistic that they can't even function in normal society.

Jones and Waggoner tried to repair all the damage that Ellen White and her law keeping doctrine inflicted on countless people but it was too much even for those powerful men of God.

[miz3]

Well said cheddar!

[cheddar]

Thanks miz, I always wondered if you watched wrestling because the one guy has that name.

[doug yowell]

Israfel,

Are my judge that you can damn me to hell? Now I know that is not Biblical. I don't even need to cite the texts because I know that you know them when they say "not to judge" (meaning not judge others as saved or lost)! Yet that is precisely what you have done.

You are the one in danger my friend. You disobey Scripture openly and blatantly. Like Qinael, you have just committed known sin. I guess you both will have start over again because it is clear you do not have the Spirit of Christ fully operating in your heart.

I know my life is hid in Jesus Christ and I depend on Him for my Salvation. Unfortunately you depend on you self righteousness to overcome all known sin and then you exalt in your attainments instead of being humble and letting God have the glory. Stop shoving "your perfection" down everyone's throat as if you are superior to other humans.

Superiority complex (sinless perfection on your part) another attribute of cults and cultish entities.

Israfel as judge, bad? miz3 as judge, good? What gives here?

[ClubV12]

Jones and Waggoner sustained what Ellen White had been preaching and writing about for decades! There was ZERO conflict between what they preached and what she preached, which has always been and remains, Righteouness by Faith.

[doug yowell]

Here's a good picture of Satan's real character.

Socalled Christian's who shove the ten commandments down everyone's throat.

There probably couldn't be a worse witness for the truth and Christ than someone who is so legalistic that they can't even function in normal society.

Jones and Waggoner tried to repair all the damage that Ellen White and her law keeping doctrine inflicted on countless people but it was too much even for those powerful men of God.

That's a rather narrow field vying for the worse witness award, cheddar. Shouldn't you,at least,be including Christian pastors that preach righteousness by faith alone and then leave their wives for the church secretary?