ClubV12 Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 Oh this is getting out of control and beyond ridiculous. MIZ3, "These same ones will use this statement (I have seen you use this statement ClubV12 many times)." Put up or shut up with your false allegations and accusations. Show me ONE post where I have said "devil says it's unfair for Gods people to enter heaven." Not that I disagree with that FACT, which is obvious, but show me ONE post where I have said that. I really don't understand WHAT the point of this thread or this question even is!!!! What a complete waste of time....
miz3 Posted June 29, 2011 Author Posted June 29, 2011 Show me ONE post where I have said "devil says it's unfair for Gods people to enter heaven." Not that I disagree with that FACT, which is obvious, The raised type is your ONE post proof!
miz3 Posted June 29, 2011 Author Posted June 29, 2011 It is important to know exactly what the Bible says. It is less important to know what others think they believe the Bible is saying. EXCELLENT! You are exactly correct!
ClubV12 Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 Stop with the bully tactics MIZ3, you accused me of making a particular statement many times. Your lieing, moderator take note, I am in fact making a direct and serious allegation. Miz3 is lieing about my character and posts. Put up, shut up or apologize miz3, but DO NOT bully me anymore!
miz3 Posted June 29, 2011 Author Posted June 29, 2011 Goes without saying.... Sky this was Sonny's response to the question posed! Do you think this a Biblical answer?
Musicman1228 Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, (8) but he was defeated and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. (9) And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. Rev.12:7-9. This 'fight' in Heaven between Michael (God in the form of an archangel) and Satan was not a battle of lasers and light sabers. It was a legal battle in the court of Heaven in which Satan sought to convince the court that God was no longer competent to be 'God' and that Satan needed to take over. No one that was at this court room battle has come to earth to give any of us the inside scoop as to what really occurred, but we can make a reasonable guess based on what we see occurring in the world today, as far as 'good vs. evil' goes. Today most of the world's major religions deal in 'balance', in one form or another. They propose theologies like 'you can't do good without doing evil', and 'there must be balance between good and evil to be fair'. The concept in Star Wars of 'The Force' is a major component of most religions, including Christianity. It is only speculation on my part but I can just hear Satan presenting his case before the court by saying, "God does only good. Therefore, since God does only good we need a god in the universe that does only evil to counterbalance the doing of good. I propose to be the god of evil, and together with the God of good we will rule the universe in a fair and balance manner." Think about the religions of the world and see if you don't understand this to be true. I can also hear Michael in rebuttal before the Heavenly court say, "Satan's premise is based on the doing of both good and evil. While our God does not DO evil He has the KNOWLEDGE of evil. In order to be God you don't have to practice evil you only need the knowledge of evil to counter the knowledge of GOOD. This is something God already does, so we don't need to change from the God we know is righteous to a god we know is unrighteous." By reading the text above we know the outcome of the decision of the court, whether this argument or some other; they threw Satan and his evil angels off of Heaven to the earth, and it is here that Satan has been practicing his good and evil, yin and yang, methodology for centuries. Satan is just as likely to use good to achieve his ends as he is to use evil; as long as he can convince you to believe a lie as if it is the truth he has won you over to his side. When Christians think that Satan doesn't use his knowledge of good to get people to do evil they are leaving themselves wide open to deception. It is now abundantly evident the effect this 'balance' of doing both good and evil has had on the inhabitants of this world. Entropy is in effect, and the world is declining into the abyss. Only those who as does God have the knowledge of evil but only practice good will understand Truth and will not be corrupted by lies that look like truth, and thus be saved. Because of this faith is not enough, because faith can allow you to believe a lie as if it is the truth. The only way to KNOW the truth is to hold to the testimony of Jesus Christ, and Him alone.
miz3 Posted June 29, 2011 Author Posted June 29, 2011 ClubV12, Are you telling everyone that you have never ever on this website used the statement that "Satan says it is unfair for humans to enter heaven"? Tell the truth to everyone on this website!
miz3 Posted June 29, 2011 Author Posted June 29, 2011 Quote: Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, (8) but he was defeated and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. (9) And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. Rev.12:7-9. Musicman1228, There is nothing in this text that says anything in fact or in context or by implication that Satan is stating that God is "unfair to let us humans into heaven". Sorry!
Moderators John317 Posted June 29, 2011 Moderators Posted June 29, 2011 Where IN THE BIBLE does it state that Satan says it is "unfair" for you and I to enter Heaven? Do you see any Bible evidence that Satan is happy to see humans saved in God's eternal kingdom? I do not. He hates humanity and wants all of us to be destroyed along with him. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Moderators John317 Posted June 29, 2011 Moderators Posted June 29, 2011 Stop with the bully tactics MIZ3, you accused me of making a particular statement many times. Your lieing, moderator take note, I am in fact making a direct and serious allegation. Miz3 is lieing about my character and posts. Put up, shut up or apologize miz3, but DO NOT bully me anymore! As moderator: I just saw this and will go through the discussion and edit or delete as needed. Please do not argue with me over the changes I make. If you have a complaint, you may send me a PM. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
ClubV12 Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 "Satan says it is unfair for humans to enter heaven?" I have never seen this statement made by anyone or myself. "Tell the truth to everyone on this website!" Are you suggesting I would lie, or calling me a liar outright? Just WHAT is your problem miz3? Why do you have to make such statements toward me? STOP with the bullying. I DO consider it a personal attack, I am growing tired of your high noise level, your intimidation, your threats and your outright lies concerning what I have or have not said. STOP putting words in my mouth.
miz3 Posted June 29, 2011 Author Posted June 29, 2011 ClubV12, You have already stated that you agree with this statement: ""Satan says it is unfair for humans to enter heaven?"! Now that, that is established you can show me from the Bible where that is stated? NO attacks; NO bullying; NO accusing!
ClubV12 Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 What part of STOP BULLYING ME don't you get miz3? What part of APOLOGIZE for putting words in my mouth and calling me a liar don't you understand, miz3? Your behaviour is disgusting, you continually attack people on this web site. You are relentless in your quest to defame, injure, annoy and interogate others. Stop it miz3, just STOP IT.
Administrators Gail Posted June 30, 2011 Administrators Posted June 30, 2011 I'm ready to give it a rest- I bet you guys are, too. Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
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