The Beast Revelation

[michae1]

The Beast Revelation

This letter is dedicated to all Christians.

The following letter is a summary of Revelation 13. Its purpose is to show the method used in finding the conclusions which have been stated. Nothing new has been added from my previous letters. It is more of a compilation of them all. This writing is the same material in different words. The Bible uses this same method of explanation. There are four Gospels. In each you see a different view of the same material. This can be beneficial because the meaning becomes more exact. Although, if this is a first time reader, then this will all be news to you. With that in mind, here we go.

The first thing that should be addressed when doing any study of Bible prophecy is what questions do I intend to answer. Some of these questions can seem a little simplistic, but their answers are much more complicated. In my studies there were only a few questions that I saw as needing an answer. My questions were very simple. First, who is this individual who is identified by the number 666? Second, who is the false prophet and how does he make the whole world worship the beast whose number is 666. Another question has to do with these same individuals. Could these two individuals be the same person, or for that matter Satan himself? Where is Satan during all this? That last question is very important. It actually goes straight to the answer of all the questions. Finally, when would someone expect to see these individuals on the Earth? Literally, what time frame should I see them? Those are the questions. The answers are much more involved.

This narrative will attempt to show how the answers are figured out. These answers can be seen from events that happen in the nightly news. This leads me to a key, which most of us know, but most of us forget. The Bible is a history book. Some events have happened, while some are waiting to happen. It is the ones that have not happened that we are most concerned with. Here is another key. By the way, these keys I speak of are keys to understanding. The Lord spoke in parables. The reason he gave was that it was for some to know the mysteries of God, while it was for some to know not. In hearing, they do not hear. In seeing, they do not see. I compare it to telling the truth, while hiding it at the same time. Many of the parables that the Lord spoke he immediately gave an answer to. He showed how he used certain symbols and words to describe subjects and then gave their meanings. Now for the punch line. The Lord also spoke in parables that he did not identify. These parables go straight to the hidden meaning of these end times. Another key is word substitution. An example of this is a pretty well-known item from Revelation. This word substitution deals with Revelation 13:1. The beast has seven heads and ten horns. In Revelation 17 those heads and horns are defined. The heads are identified as mountains, while the horns are identified as kings. This changes the whole picture of what the beast is symbolically to what it is literally. Now Rev.13:1 can be read as follows with just the items discussed thus far. And I saw a beast rise up out of the sea having seven mountains and ten kings. That is a simple and easy word substitution. Know that this will happen many times throughout the Bible.

Now, getting back to the questions. The question is, where is Satan? If this question can be answered, you can eliminate some others. Some prophecy teachers believe that Satan is the beast, or that Satan is the false prophet. This interpretation is misleading, and it also creates a stumbling block in the path to a proper interpretation. I almost always get this question. How can you know who the beast is when he cannot be revealed? 2nd Thess. Chapter 2 states that he cannot be revealed, until something is removed first. Most scholars have this part right. That is a picture of the Rapture. What they have wrong is that Satan and the beast are not the same individual. Satan cannot be revealed until after the rapture, but he is not the beast. Therefore, I can identify the beast and his false prophet. People say prove it. So I did. I told them how to understand using the keys that I have mentioned. Revelation 13 is a parable, but God is not giving the definition, or the explanation. This one is for us to figure out. Ok, so where is Satan? In the book of Job, we get a view of Satan's abilities. In one scene, he is discussing with God about Job. Question, where is God? He is in heaven. Also, in his conversation with God Satan is talking as if he knows and has seen Job. God declares that he can do whatever he wants to Job, but he was not allowed to kill him. Now we know something else about Satan. He also has access to the Earth, and can affect peoples lives. So, it appears that Satan can be everywhere he wants to be, on Earth or in heaven. We know Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12. This would further the idea that he is now in heaven. We also see Satan one other time, when he tempted Christ during his time on Earth. It says that he was taken to the wilderness to be tempted of Satan? Most people, and rightly so, have thought the wilderness to be a place on Earth, but this is a parable I believe. The Lord was in the wilderness and was tempted by Satan, but the wilderness is in heaven. This parable is read in Isaiah 35. It is the wilderness and the solitary place where the redeemed of the Lord walk. So, this last item being the most hard to prove, suffice it to say, that when Rev.12 says Satan will be cast out, he must be there in heaven to be cast out. Alright, now we can answer a couple questions. One, Satan is himself, and he is in heaven. Therefore, he is not the beast or the false prophet. These three work together, but each has his own identity.

Now to dissect Revelation 13. As I have already stated, Revelation 13 is a word substitution parable. The seven heads are seven mountains and the ten horns are ten kings. Ok, we know from this description that the beast as described is a group of possibly ten countries. This brings me to another point. There are three definitions for the beast in Revelation 13. The first is a group of countries rising up out of the sea. The second is in Rev.13:11 and is a beast with two horns (kings). Remember horns are kings as per Rev. 17. Finally, there is a beast who is identified by the number 666. It is this last beast that causes all to receive a mark and that no man can buy and sell save he who has the mark, his number, or his name. There are three items here. Nowhere does it say that the mark is the number 666. This might have been a good guess 20 yrs. ago , but it is pretty hard to believe. Imagine people running around with a mark of 666 on their right hands. It sounds like a cartoon, but this is what the prophecy teachers want you to believe. Ok, another problem that sounds like a cartoon is the interpretation of the word "all." They want you to believe that no man could buy or sell if they did not worship the beast and take his mark. Interpreting the word "all" to mean everyone in the world. This is not the case. For one, we know that the beast is made up of only possibly ten countries. Everyone in this world lives in roughly 190 countries. I don't think we could possibly mean everyone. How about, all of those people concerned with the mark. Also, how do you cause all people concerned to receive a mark, and why? The most obvious way to mark everyone is at the voting booth. All people, rich and poor, small and great, or free and bond are potential voters. So, Mahmoud Abbas was elected president of the Palestinian Authority, and in the process all voters received an indelible ink mark on their right hands. This mark was to prevent double voting and corruption in the election. Ok, we have a mark. It is not 666. At this point he fits the part, but not completely. Still, there is no ready identification of 666 concerning him. This election was in January 2005.

Back to Rev.13. We have seven mountains and ten kings. Prophecy teachers want us to believe that a city with seven mountains is the seat of the antichrist and he rules with ten nations. Their logical conclusion was the Europe Union and the Vatican. This started the revived Roman empire theory. This theory has been around since the reformation. It is hard to believe this charade has gone on so long. Teachers are still preaching the Revived Roman Empire. This theory had some validity before the twentieth century and now has to be eliminated. None of these teachers could have predicted the fall of the Ottoman Empire and its division into so many separate sovereign nations. Back to our word substitution. There is an interesting item here concerning the word mountains in scripture. The word mountains can have two meanings. It can be either a mountain range, or a nation. This is the hardest part of this whole exercise, trying to figure out what mountains are describing. Teachers will have you believe it is a city with seven mountains. In actual fact, mountains here are referring to nations. This also pertains to the head wound. The wound was not a literal head wound at all, but was a nation that was wounded. The beast's head or nation was wounded and was healed. This is the Palestinian Authority after the beginning of the Oslo Accords. The land that Israel possessed was now being given back to the Palestinians and the beast's nation is being healed. Ok, so now I have seven nations and ten kings, Rev.13:1. Why do I have three more kings than nations? It seems I have a king for each nation, but three left over. In Daniel in says the beast subdued three kings. These three kings don't necessarily have to be from different countries. It seems so, but is not expressly mentioned. It is another parable. The three kings who were subdued by the beast were Israeli Prime Ministers. These three Prime Ministers all served during the seven years of the Oslo Accords and were voted out of office because of terror perpetrated during Yasser Arafat's rule. Now, I am down to seven nations. These seven nations will wage war. I can easily see seven nations that will wage war here very soon; Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Iran and the Palestinian Authority or Iraq, and there opponent Israel. This is exactly the same beast that is presented in Rev.17:10, just in a slightly different appearance. There are seven kings, five are fallen. This means five kings were defeated in war. Israel is referred to the "one that is," and the one that came later is the Palestinian Authority. This is a description of Israel's war for Independence. Literally, this was the beast being born. The war in 1967 is the beast rising up out of the sea in Rev.13:1. It was the unresolved issues of this conflict that resulted in the Oslo Accords of 1993. This seven year peace treaty was confirmed by Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat.

Now, there is another beast in Rev.13:11. This beast has two horns or kings. This is a picture of the Palestinian Authority after the elections of January 2006. This is when Hamas ran in the elections and won a majority in parliament. Now the P.A. was a country with two kings. Abbas was the President and Ismail Haniyeh was the Prime Minister. Here is where the problem with money came about. Western Nations did not want to donate money to a known terrorist organization so looked for a way they could still fund Abbas's P.A., but not let any money get to Hamas. This is when the number 666 identified an individual. The temporary international mechanism was adopted on June 16, 2006. This program allowed Western Nations to donate funds directly to Abbas, while bypassing Hamas. If you were a member of Fatah, or on Abbas's payroll you got paid. This is how the people were allowed to buy and sell. They received salaries, whereas before the mechanism, they had no way of getting paid from the Government. Hamas did not receive salaries. Also, Hamas did not receive the mark of the beast. They boycotted the elections for President in Jan. 2005.

It is more obvious who is being talked about the closer you get to the end.

In conclusion, to my three beast definitions. Mahmoud Abbas fits all three definitions. He was a member of the P.A. when it was formed. He took over from Yasser Arafat after his death. He was one of the two kings of the second beast in Rev.13:11. Lastly, he is the one identified by the number 666, which could have been Arafat had he lived.

Now, concerning the the false prophet. The following four verses below all refer to the false prophet, Ismail Haniyeh.

Rev.13:11- and I beheld another beast coming up out of the Earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Rev.13:12- And he exercises all the power of the first beast before him, and causes the earth and them which dwell therein, to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Rev.13:13- "And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the Earth in the sight of men".

Rev.13:15- And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast, should be killed.

Hamas exercised all the power of the first beast (Abbas's P.A.) because they were now an equal partner in the Government. Also, the leader of Hamas caused them to worship or honor the first beast because Hamas would not honor the first beast. The first beast was the PA without Hamas as a member. The image of the beast is what the Government of Mahmoud Abbas represented. Verse 12 does not mention the image yet, we are just informed that the false prophet caused them to worship the first beast. Verse 14 and 15 gives the details of how that worshipping or honor was to commence. An image was created of the first beast that he (the false prophet) caused to be honored. This image of the beast is three items; the recognition of Israel, the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements, and a renunciation of terror.

The last question I think that needs addressed is how do you know the timing is right? Meaning, there have been so many translations, how do you know that this one is correct? This is a question I always get asked. The answer, in my mind, is sort of a mix between two different prophecies. The first is the seven day prophecy as recorded in Genesis. It is a similtude between this and the amount of recorded time that has already happened on Earth. In the book of Peter, God says one day to him is as a thousand years. If that idea is applied to the Genesis creation, everyday that God created something one thousand years passed. Finally, on the last day he rested from his work, and his rest was one thousand years or one of God's days. This was one full week or 7000 years. After God's rest he started his work again, and he created Adam. Starting with Adam, it was approximately 4000 years to the time of Christ. Also, we know that Christ was here roughly 2000 years ago. If God was to be consistant with his one week schedule, then we could expect his day of rest to fall somewhere after the year two thousand. 4000 plus 2000 is six days and on the seventh he rested for one thousand years. This is not an exact estimate, but it can put you in the right ballpark when searching for the correct timing of Revelation. This is the estimate. The next item is more exact. Daniel 9:27 says that he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. Many in Hebrew is Rab. This was a covenant confirmed with Yitzhak Rabin. It was the beginning of land for peace, or the Oslo Accords. When you see this agreement happen you should be aware that this prophecy will last seven years. There is only one problem with this item. Prior to it happening, everyone thought that the end of the seventh year of the agreement God would return and begin his rest. Well, that did not happen. The reason was a logical misinterpretation. It just mentions that this agreement must occur along with the prophecies mentioned, not that they would all happen and end on the last day of the seventh year. This has thrown everyone watching off-course for a time. Although, this was not such a terrible mistake if the watcher could see the right answer and get his, or her perspective back. When you have these two items coinciding at the expected time, then you know Revelation can be interpreted with accuracy. The events should start happening, as they have, as I have recorded in this letter.

May God bless all who read this letter.

Michae1

[Stan]

Please post in the Theology Section.

Is this your own work or is it copy and paste?

[michae1]

Does anyone agree with my interpretations?

[Ted Oplinger]

Does anyone agree with my interpretations?

Many prefer to allow the Bible to be its own interpreter of prophetic symbol. Trying to fit the Bible around a current events model fails every time it is tried.

You didn't answer Stan's question - is that your own work, or is that a cut-'n-paste of another's work? If it is your work, then, are you looking for intelligent discussion on the point, or mere affirmation of being right?

Food for thought there...

[michae1]

Originally Posted By: michae1

Does anyone agree with my interpretations?

Many prefer to allow the Bible to be its own interpreter of prophetic symbol. Trying to fit the Bible around a current events model fails every time it is tried.

You didn't answer Stan's question - is that your own work, or is that a cut-'n-paste of another's work? If it is your work, then, are you looking for intelligent discussion on the point, or mere affirmation of being right?

Food for thought there...

I only post my own work. If I had posted someone else's work, I would have given them the credit. I hate this question, which is why I didn't answer it. It feels as if I'm being accused of plagiarism.

[Bird's Eye View]

I only post my own work. If I had posted someone else's work, I would have given them the credit. I hate this question, which is why I didn't answer it. It feels as if I'm being accused of plagiarism.

Hey Michael,...maybe take it as a form of compliment,...that it was so well-written they just wanted to see who the professional writer was behind the words!

[michae1]

Originally Posted By: michae1

I only post my own work. If I had posted someone else's work, I would have given them the credit. I hate this question, which is why I didn't answer it. It feels as if I'm being accused of plagiarism.

Hey Michael,...maybe take it as a form of compliment,...that it was so well-written they just wanted to see who the professional writer was behind the words!

That's one way of taking the edge off of it. I will accept your premise.

[ClubV12]

Pretty words,,, that lead no where. I don't agree at all with the conclusions reached.

As Ted has stated, it is ridiculous to use current events and headlines to interpret prophecy. People did that when WW1 broke out, WW2, when JFK was elected, with Obama today. It's all an exercise in futility.

Israel has no substantial roll in prophecy anymore.

Nothing new with this 1,000 year a day interpretation for creation, it is false, a cunningly devised fable. Six days, literal days, resting on the seventh, done. He is the creator and He made the Sabbath for man, not for Himself.

[Samie]

Who is the beast of Revelation 13?

Here's a hint:

The beast of Revelation 13 is the beast whose image is the fulfillment of what the Lord Jesus Christ, our Master Teacher, referred to as the "abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet", the setting up of which follows the preaching of the pure gospel into all the world, just before the Savior comes again (Matt 24:14, 15).

In the book of Daniel, the word "abomination" (Dan 9:27; 11:31; 12:11) is from the Hebrew word "shiqquts", which refers to images or idols worshipped by pagans: Ashtoreth, Milcom, Chemosh(see 2 Kings 23:13), etc. This "shiqquts" will cause the desolation (Hebrew "shamem") of the end-time people of God.

There is only one such image in the Bible that will desolate God's chosen people in the last days: the image of the beast (Rev 13:15).

Following the hint, it is not difficult to show from Scriptures that the beast of Rev 13 = the little horn of Dan 7 = the king of fierce countenance of Dan 8 whose power is not his own = the prince who will be instrumental in taking away the daily in Dan 8, 9 & 12 = the king who shall make a league with Israel and whose exploits extends up to the 2nd Coming (Dan 11 & 12) = the man of sin of 2 Thess 2 whose appearance is a must before Christ returns.

Since the brand of gospel being preached into all the world is not the pure gospel, the true identity of the beast as the future world leader who will devastate God's people before Christ returns, cannot be accurately determined yet. The pure gospel must first be preached.

Believe the Master Teacher. You can never go wrong.

In Christ,

Samie

[ClubV12]

The beast is the Roman Catholic power that persecuted the Saints for 1260 years, the Catholic Church, the Pope!

But of more concern to me is, "the daughters of the beast". The Sunday keeping Christian Churches that will rise up and demand that we "take this country back to God". They will change times and laws forcing Americans to acknowledge Sunday as the "Lords day". "Blue laws", as they are commonly called are STILL on the books of 49 states (Alaska being the only exception). They will once again be enforced by the authorities. You will be arrested for mowing your lawn on Sunday! Sunday IS the image to the beast. Those who choose to keep this man made law, Sunday, over Gods law, Saturday, will receive a mark. The angels will know who has the mark and who doesn't, they will protect the Saints and leave those with the mark to perish.

We most certainly know who the beast is! Daniel and Revelation both testify to this power, headed by a man, speaking blasphemie against the Most High, changing His commandments!

The United States will be the first to enforce a National Sunday law, the whole world will follow the beast after that. A universal, world wide Sunday law, enforce on pain of death for those who ignore it.

[Bird's Eye View]

There's probably no group of people who would believe this less than Adventists, but when it comes to persecuting Christians, I would look no further than the Noahide Laws.

I won't post a link, but a simple search "Noahide Laws + Beheading Christians" will give you plenty to consider.

You can say it can't be true, but please don't do so until you've weighed the evidence.

But you might like to know, these laws won't allow for Gentiles to keep the Sabbath, so in a way, it is a form of the "Sunday Laws".

I know this would challenge everything you have been taught, and I'm not asking anyone to take my word for it, but do the search before ruling it out is all I ask.

[Samie]

When supposed fulfillment of prophecy is bereft of Scriptural basis other than what religious leaders so taught, then it becomes suspect.

[Gibs]

The seven heads are the religious systems of the world and the ten horns of Rev. are ten kings. In chapter 13 the crowns are on the horns and not the heads as in chapter 12.

That means Satan has changed who is in power since 1798 as that is when the wound was inflicted to the one and sixth head of the beast, the Papacy, the fallen one from the true Church, John saw "as one is".

The first beast of the chapter 13: is Satan's NWO, "new world order" beast, his "image" beast, also having seven heads and ten horns as himself.

The second beast is Satan Himself. EGW, didn't see it as U Smith did, she states,

" In Revelation we read concerning Satan: "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name" (Revelation 13:13-17). . . . {3SM 393.1}

Satan gives to his first image beast, note underline,

Re 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: "and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority".

Now note it was but one head of the beast system is wounded to death and the world wonders after the beast system and not the wounded head!

Re 13:3 And I saw ONE of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: AND ALL THE WORLD WONDERED AFTER THE BEAST.

The whole world as of yet is still wondering after this "image beast of himself system!"

In due time Satan must come forth and will personating Christ, Rev. reads so in verses, Re 13:11-18.

He will do this when God lets him and not before. It will be Satan who finally takes over and tries to make the "ten toes stick to gather" as in Dan's prophecy.

Now read an EGW comment,

"I saw that the two-horned beast had a dragon's mouth, and that his power was in his head, and that the decree would go out of his mouth. Then I saw the Mother of Harlots; that the mother was not the daughters, but separate and distinct from them. She has had her day, and it is past, and her daughters, the Protestant sects, were the next to come on the stage and act out the same mind that the mother had when she persecuted the saints. I saw that as the mother has been declining in power, the daughters had been growing, and soon they will exercise the power once exercised by the mother. {SpM 1.4}

I saw the nominal church and nominal Adventists, like Judas, would betray us to the Catholics to obtain their influence to come against the truth. The saints then will be an obscure people, little known to the Catholics; but the churches and nominal Adventists who know of our faith and customs (for they hated us on account of the Sabbath, for they could not refute it) will betray the saints and report them to the Catholics as those who disregard the institutions of the people; that is, that they keep the Sabbath and disregard Sunday. {SpM 1.5}

And she states, show the house their sins! Being done? No!

"This is our work. The light that we have upon the third angel’s message is the true light. The mark of the beast is exactly what it has been proclaimed to be. All in regard to this matter is not yet understood, and will not be understood until the unrolling of the scroll, but a most solemn work is to be accomplished in our world. The Lord’s command to His servants is “Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.” {CTr 350.4}

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[ClubV12]

"...world wonders after the beast system..."

The system that God abandoned in 1844, the Sunday keeping churches, the "daughters of the beast". While being led by Satan and under him the Pope, those actually doing the work required to push through civil law will be comprised of Sunday keeping Christians. Who THINK they are doing Gods work and will by "taking us back to the bible, for God and country". This will be a significant "grass roots" movement. We see a small example of how this will emerge with the present day Tea Party. That small group of people can make or break a politicians election. We see that politicians, highly aware of this as they carefully consider their position. Lest they come under threat from the Tea Party. They are willing to sacrafice principle in order to stay in office.

I'm not worried about WHO is in office, Obama or not, it won't matter. I'm not worried about the Tea Party, they won't matter. At some point, only God knows when and who, this "grass roots" movement will come to power. Personally I believe it will be brought about by a series of "natural disasters" and near "economic collapse" so frustrating the country and causing such pain to the people, it will drive the political scene to an uprising like we have never seen before.

THIS is HOW the Sunday law, which is a violation of the Constitution, will be changed. Politicians, afraid for their job, will follow the "will, the demands" of the people. Even though they KNOW such a law is against the Constitution, they will push it through regardless. It's the "daughters of the beast", that will make the first important move. Which will result in the beast system gaining the power it needs, civily, militarily, to enforce it's mandates.

No question, most Adventists will join with them.

[Gibs]

It certainly appears Satan is the one to really put "TEETH" into what his cohorts of men have not been able to get all to abide and since most of the world will believe he is Jesus Christ or the great Messiah finally come, we can know this is the time soon that our Redeemer will act.

"" I saw that the two-horned beast had a dragon's mouth, and that his power was in his head, and that the decree would go out of his mouth. Then I saw the Mother of Harlots; that the mother was not the daughters, but separate and distinct from them. She has had her day, and it is past, and her daughters, the Protestant sects, were the next to come on the stage and act out the same mind that the mother had when she persecuted the saints. I saw that as the mother has been declining in power, the daughters had been growing, and soon they will exercise the power once exercised by the mother. {SpM 1.4}

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[ClubV12]

Samie, my opinion is that you have such a knack of misinterpreting scripture and applying it in a way completely inconsistent with Adventist views, it would be pointless to enter into a discussion with you. So I won't. Like many others on this web site you keep the Sabbath, you even quote Ellen White, you have the appearance of "Adventist". But your theology is not at all what Adventist believe or teach. One has to be very careful to separate fact from fiction around here...

[Bird's Eye View]

I think there's a very strong case for the Mother of Harlots being Israel, not the Catholic church.

http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/babylonthegreatisrael.htm http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/babylonthegreatisrael.htm

"From Moses through the prophets, Israel is repeatedly characterized as an imperious whore. In more than 80 instances, she is specifically denounced as a harlot or lewd woman. Isaiah and the other pre-exilic prophets aimed their wrath at Jerusalem: “How the faithful city has become a harlot!" (Isaiah 1:21) Isaiah denounced apostate Jews as “sons of a sorceress, offspring of an adulterer and a prostitute” (Isaiah 57:3)...."

... Modern Judaism is Babylonian

There is more depth to the metaphor. Judaism literally is Babylonian, more than nearly any other religion or culture. Most of its religious laws and traditions, including the Babylonian Talmud and Zohar (Kabbalah), come from nearly 1,600 years Jews spent on the fertile plains of Shinar. Few religions have a deeper tradition of occult. Revelation describes Babylon the Great deceiving the world through her “sorceries” and the Jewish encyclopedias tell us it was Judaism which carried Babylon’s black arts, demonology and astrology to the West.

[Bird's Eye View]

Furthermore, we know Masonry, as any secret group, is expressly spoken against for obvious reasons, here is a couple of quotes that make ya think!

"Freemasonry is a Jewish establishment, whose history, grades, official appointments, passwords, and explanations are Jewish from beginning to end."----Rabbi Isaac Wise

The Jewish Tribune newspaper, in 1927, in an editorial, stated: "Freemasonry is based on Judaism. Eliminate the teachings of Judaism from the Masonic ritual and what is left?"

“The true philosophy, known and practiced by Solomon, is the basis on which Masonry is founded.” – Morals & Dogma, p. 785

This is a delicate subject, I realize, but does raise some serious issues, in my opinion.

[ClubV12]

The beast has several characteristics. One is he is referred to as a "man" (Daniel 7:8), which means essentially "leader". The Pope fits this description. The number of his name is 666, which also fits the title of the Pope. This Roman power is consistent with Daniel 7:25 in that the Catholic Church persecuted the Saints for a "time, times and half a time", as Revelation says it, 42 months. In prophetic time, that is 1260 years, ending in 1798 when that power was broken. He speaks blasphemy against God by disregarding the ten commandments and introducing his own. Replacing the Sabbath with Sunday worship (changes times and laws). Catholics claim as their "mark" of authority this change of the day of worship. They then point to ALL the Sunday keeping Churches as proof of their power to make law even over the bible!

The image to the beast IS Sunday worship! But there is a small group who won't follow that, they KEEP the commandments of God, including the fourth one.

The mother of harlots spawned every Sunday keeping Church on this planet! Daughters of the harlot, daughters of the beast.

Israel is a distraction, nothing more. They were removed as major players in prophecy when they cursed themselves with a curse. His blood be on us and our children, God heard and answered that prayer and it will never be lifted.

[Bird's Eye View]

The first mention anywhere in the Bible of 666 has to do with Solomon.

The Golden Rule?,...He who has the gold, rules!

[Bird's Eye View]

There are two different classes of Jews, some who are the salt of the earth, but...there are also the ones Jesus denounced as being of "the synagogue of Satan", who practiced the Oral Traditions, later written down in the Talmud, etc,...(where Jesus is described as a bastard son, boiling in excrement).

“In retrospect, the six-pointed star was an Egyptian occult symbol which KING SOLOMON adopted when he went into idolatry and witchcraft and built an altar for Ashteroth (star). It was seen in Arab associations with Jews (and these were obviously cabalists) till the 16th century and the influence of the Cabalist Isaac Luria to the 17th century when Mayer Amschel Bauer used it on his door. Then he changed his family name to Rothschild…incorporating it into his family’s coat of arms. Finally, it became the insignia for ZIONISM.” (Graham: 24-5, 29, 32, 51-2)

"The Jewish religion as it is today traces its descent, without break, through all the centuries, from the Pharisees ...The Talmud is the largest and most important single member of that literature ...and the study of it is essential for any real understanding of Phariseeism (Universal Jewish Encyclopedia under Pharisees)."

[Samie]

Samie, my opinion is that you have such a knack of misinterpreting scripture and applying it in a way completely inconsistent with Adventist views, ...

[ClubV12]

jackson I see your point with the terms image/mark.

Samie, it's real simple, your either a member of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, or your not. Those who are not, and yet, leave the impression they are, are of concern to myself. I would that they be completely clear on their position.

I'm a member of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. I support and teach the doctrine of that Church. No if's, and's or but's, pure and simple.

[Samie]

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The image of the beast is when apostate Protestantism in the land of the 2 horned beast (America) uses the secular/governmental authorities to make a law regarding religious worship. This is what the Papacy , the beast, has done and wants to do again. When this same technique is used by religious authorities in America, it will be a copy or image of the beast.

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[Samie]

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Samie, it's real simple, your either a member of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, or your not. Those who are not, and yet, leave the impression they are, are of concern to myself. I would that they be completely clear on their position.

I'm a member of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. I support and teach the doctrine of that Church. No if's, and's or but's, pure and simple.