The Beast Revelation

[Gibs]

It is pretty clear that the second beast of Re Chap. 13:11-18 is Satan. You cannot separate the text from verse 11 through 18. Satan is the "man" who is and gets the 666 and that is who he is,

The second beast is Satan Himself. EGW, didn't see it as U Smith did, she states,

" In Revelation we read concerning Satan: "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name" (Revelation 13:13-17). . . . {3SM 393.1}

Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Eze 28:9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

Is the Papacy the first beast of the Chap. Re 13:? No! She is one of the heads, the head that had the wound. Note the following verse!,

Re 13:3 And I saw "ONE" of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: AND ALL THE WORLD WONDERED AFTER THE BEAST.

We see that but ONE head of the seven was wounded and then healed.. But now notice, THE WHOLE WORLD WONDERED AFTER THE BEAST! Not that ONE head.

We seem to have forgotten the Beast has seven heads plus 10 horns, now in Re 13: who have power as kings, crowned!

This scroll of prophecy should be unrolled to people, but most have not studied it to learn the truth and investigate what the scripture states.

The first beast of the Chapter Re 13 is none but Satan's NWO order system, his old world order was before 1798 when the heads had the crowns, king power.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

The whole world don't wonder after the wounded head

[Samie]

It is pretty clear that the second beast of Re Chap. 13:11-18 is Satan. You cannot separate the text from verse 11 through 18. Satan is the "man" who is and gets the 666 and that is who he is,

The second beast is Satan Himself. ...

[ClubV12]

IBird's Eye View, see what I mean? You can't tell the players (plural, as in more than one pretending to be something they are not) from the players around here. :)

[Bird's Eye View]

I guess so, Club. It makes no difference to me, either way.

Just to keep it clear though for anyone wondering, I am of no denomination whatsoever. Never have been.

I had the feeling all were welcome here. Is that correct?

[ClubV12]

Of course! Well,,, unless your really undercover for the Jesuits and reporting to the NSA, the CIA, the FBI or those guys that wear black suits, whoever they are.

...not that I'm paranoid! :)

[Gibs]

Ah, Samie, please read up,

Re 13:11 ¶ And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Re 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Then note this verse,

Re 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

That should cinch who it is I would prefer to think!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Bird's Eye View]

Of course! Well,,, unless your really undercover for the Jesuits and reporting to the NSA, the CIA, the FBI or those guys that wear black suits, whoever they are.

...not that I'm paranoid!

Nope, couldn't be me! I'm honest to a fault! But speaking of spies-

“The following information is going to be a ‘shock’ to all Roman Catholics. In 1491 San Ignacio De Loyola was born in the Basque province of Guipuzcoa, Spain. His parents were Marranos and at the time of his birth the family was very wealthy. As a young man he became a member of the Jewish Illuminati Order in Spain. As a cover for his crypto Jewish activities, he became very active as a Roman Catholic. On May 20, 1521 Ignatius (as he was now called) was wounded in a battle, and became a semi-cripple. Unable to succeed in the military and political arena, he started a quest for holiness and eventually ended up in Paris where he studied for the priesthood. In 1539 he had moved to Rome where he founded the ‘Jesuit Order,’ which was to become the most vile, bloody and persecuting order in the Roman Catholic Church. In 1540, the current Pope Paul III approved the order. At Loyola’s death in 1556 there were more than 1000 members in the Jesuit order, located in a number of nations.

“Setting up the Jesuit order, Ignatius Loyola devised an elaborate spy system, so that no one in the order was safe. If there was any opposition, death would come swiftly. The Jesuit order not only became a destructive arm of the Roman Catholic Church; it also developed into a secret intelligence service.” (How the World Government Rules the Nations)

http://watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon-3.html http://watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon-3.html

[Samie]

So Bro Gibs, if the dragon (who is Satan) gave the first beast his power, his seat and great authority, and the 2nd beast merely exercised the power given by Satan to the first beast, how in the world did you come to the conclusion the 2nd beast = Satan? You are saying it was the 2nd beast who gave the first beast his power? Aren't you confused?

Also, if the 2nd beast = satan, then why does the Bible say the 2nd beast was thrown into the lake of fire (Rev 19:21) a thousand years ahead of Satan (Rev 20:7, 10)? You are saying the Bible tells us satan was thrown into the lake of fire ahead of himself by 1000 years? Is this sane thinking?

You really have to think again, brother.

[Gibs]

Samie, read, Satan is the beast of Re 13:11-18

Re 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Re 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Re 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

EGW, states, "It is the lying wonders of the devil that will take the world captive, and he will cause fire to come down from heaven in the sight of men. He is to work miracles, and this wonderful, miracle-working power is to sweep in the whole world.--2SM 51 (1890). {LDE 167.3}

Satan will come in to deceive if possible the very elect. He claims to be Christ, and he is coming in, pretending to be the great medical missionary. He will cause fire to come down from heaven in the sight of men to prove that he is God.--MM 87, 88 (1903). {LDE 167.4}

Now note the verses she quoted, Re 13:13-17

In Revelation we read concerning Satan: "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name" (Revelation 13:13-17). . . . {3SM 393.1}

Re 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Re 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Re 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Re 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Don't you comprehend and see the first beast of the chapter is Satan's image beast, a stamp of himself to rule until he can come on the scene personating Jesus Christ.

[Bird's Eye View]

Naturally it is confusing. Why else would there be so many different interpretations floating around throughout the different religions?

That's why, after going down a few of those routes, I decided it was best just to try and find out what was going on behind the scenes and by whom,...the labels don't mean so much anymore.

We can judge a tree by it's fruit, can we not?

[Gibs]

Ah! come on, we know it is as clear as mud when we can't see but is clear as crystal when He opens our eyes and ears to see and understand!

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into ALL truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Bird's Eye View]

Gibs, no one outside of the all-omnipotent one has "ALL' truth.

I find that scripture can often be used by people in support of their own understanding of the Bible, much the way NLP is used.

I'm thinking...Corinthians 10:12..(.while it may be about temptation, it is also tempting to think we "know all things")

"Wherefore, let him that thinketh he standeth, take heed lest he fall."

Humility cushions many a fall!

(I say this to myself as much as anyone else.)

[Gibs]

Well BEV, whether we will allow His Spirit of truth to guide us into ALL truth depends on our full and unconditional surrender to Him.

Will we or will we not is the question. Whose are we anyway? Are we are own? No we are not, emphatically not.

We are His Creatures first by creation and then lost in sin and so again and second by redemption!

He alone is the Truth and the Way and when He tells us He will guide one into ALL truth, for me there is no alternative but know so and believe Him.

For to surrender absolutely all is very hard for these old humans that we are fallen and perverted in many ways to do. He will clear out the rubbish if we will surrender all, and it must be ALL!

Yes He positively will guide us into ALL truth, but yes it will take more than a day or two! He will be pulling many "weeds."

To know that we know not much is a good place to start. He is our strength and stay and quickening to sort truth from error.

Our safe guide whose Word is truth for all else to be tried by.

I particularly like the part in the verse above where He tells me, "and will show you things to come."

Oh yes it is by His Wonderful Spirit of truth? Oh! how else? By none else is possible!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Bird's Eye View]

My point is, a lot of people are going around claiming to have His Spirit guiding them, but obviously all are not correct. We like to think we know so much, but then something can come along and change our idea of what we thought was truth...no matter how long we have believed a certain way, there's always more to learn.

It is a process, you're right, and the sooner we are humbled by realizing how much we don't know of, the better. (in my opinion.) It has helped me to guard against being conceited, because that is something I may have been guilty of in the past, but thank God I got knocked down a few rungs!

Beware when preachers say to you ..."only the wise shall understand"...I see that one used the most in conjunction with some very sketchy doctrine! And who better than Satan to twist scripture, yes?

[ClubV12]

I don't see John 16:13 as being "all truth" in a literal sense because there will always be more truth to study, through out eternity. The learning will never end.

I see all truth in the context John is using it to mean sufficient truth, enough light, enough understanding, for you to know whats right, whats wrong, your obligations toward Him, His toward you, the plan of salvation. Which is of itself and inexhaustible treasure of knowledge that will never be fully understood.

Sufficient (all) the truth you need to receive to be without excuse for sin in the day of judgment! There is NO excuse for sin, ever. When you loose your temper because your sick? No excuse, you still lost your temper. Jesus was "sick" on the cross, He did not loose His temper. There is NEVER, EVER an excuse for sin and that includes your inability to find "all truth" when you have access to His book. The excuse, "Well, I'm not sure I believe everything in that book". Well, you don't really trust HIM then, and that is sin! He WILL guide you into "all truth" if you will let Him.

At some point, when you have sufficient truth to understand keeping the law as Jesus kept it is nigh on to impossible. There is truth that covers that, HIS righteousness. Righteousness by faith, while you strive toward the goal, ever leaning on Him to finish the work He has started in you. And He will and you will be accounted perfect, through His righteousness.

[Gibs]

"Only the wise shall understand."

Da 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Ah! but who are the wise that shall understand.

Here is one answer and scripture has more,

Pr 2:1 ¶ My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee;

Pr 2:2 So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;

Pr 2:3 Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;

Pr 2:4 If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;

Pr 2:5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.

Pr 2:6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.

Pr 2:7 He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteous: he is a buckler to them that walk uprightly.

Pr 2:8 He keepeth the paths of judgment, and preserveth the way of his saints.

Again and again it all points to our giving of self over to Him fully and unconditionally.

The wisdom of the world is not the jewel we have need of. We must get it from Him of which Wisdom is one of His names.

"Christ is the Alpha and the Omega. He is the Rock that is higher than we are. He is our Sun and Shield. He is wisdom to all who desire to be wise. It is through His might that we conquer. Everything is to be shaken that can be shaken, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. {21MR 427.5}

A few Bible verses,

1Ki 10:8 Happy are thy men, happy are these thy servants, which stand continually before thee, and that hear thy wisdom.

Ps 136:5 To him that by wisdom made the heavens: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Pr 2:6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.

Pr 8:12 ¶ I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.

Pr 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

And finally from Paul,

Col 2:2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;

Col 2:3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Samie]

Bro Gibs;

You may have noticed that you cannot prove your point based on the Bible ALONE. There's no reason for me to prolong your agony.

Relative to what you posted from Sister White's writings, why is it that you don't take her word to just make the Bible the ONLY basis for doctrine?

In Christ,

Samie

[ClubV12]

Why should the Children of Israel pay any attention the writings of Moses instead of just makeing the ten commandments and the ten commandments alone as the basis for their doctrine?

BECAUSE they could not grasp the depth of the ten commandments, they could not understand what they meant. So they needed a lesser light, leading to the greater light. This is the same roll Ellen White performs. Detailed and plainly written counsel that sheds light on the word, a lessor light, leading to that greater light.

ALL Seventh-day Adventist doctrine is bible based and is supported by the bible alone. It's rather obvious, Samie, that many are unable to grasp the true significance, depth and clear understanding of the principles of the bible. This is why we have well over a 1,000 different denominations, each with their own interpretation of scripture, their own unique twist on doctrinal points.

You yourself, Samie, are an example of how easily one can misunderstand, misapply, the scriptures. Not only scripture but also Ellen White herself. Just as she said men would do!!! Prophecy has been fulfilled on this very thread. You have formed your own doctrine, it is not consistent with what Sister White believes or teaches, it is not consistent with what Seventh-day Adventists believe or teach. Yet you insist, as do the Mormons, the Baptists, the Catholics and a host of others, that you have the correct version of doctrine!

Your just another voice, among many, professing yet another doctrine. Unique unto yourself, you niether support Adventist doctrine, or Baptist doctrine. I have no idea WHAT you call your doctrine or how you came up with it. It clearly is not Seventh-day Adventist doctrine, though you claim it is. Please don't make a fool of me in thinking I could possibly believe you, I know Seventh-day Adventist doctrine and this is not what you teach!

[Gibs]

Bro Gibs;

You may have noticed that you cannot prove your point based on the Bible ALONE. There's no reason for me to prolong your agony.

Relative to what you posted from Sister White's writings, why is it that you don't take her word to just make the Bible the ONLY basis for doctrine?

In Christ,

Samie

I only attempted to give you the truth Samie, in laying out the scripture and what Sister White saw and I see she saw it from scripture same as I.

So I only leave it to you to receive it or leave it.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Samie]

Originally Posted By: Samie

Bro Gibs;

You may have noticed that you cannot prove your point based on the Bible ALONE. There's no reason for me to prolong your agony.

Relative to what you posted from Sister White's writings, why is it that you don't take her word to just make the Bible the ONLY basis for doctrine?

In Christ,

Samie

I only attempted to give you the truth Samie, in laying out the scripture and what Sister White saw and I see she saw it from scripture same as I.

So I only leave it to you to receive it or leave it.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

What you are giving is not TRUTH but LIE, brother. The verses I provided proved the LIE you want to sow. That explains why you refrain from addressing those verses. Again, if Satan is the 2nd beast, are you saying the Scriptures tell us that satan will be thrown into the lake of fire (Rev 19:20) 1000 years ahead of himself (Rev 20:7, 9)?

[Samie]

Bro Club;

Why is the current theme of the General Conference focused on Revival & Reformation? I still believe the SDA Church is God's channel of truth for these last days, this is why I am sharing the truth, Bible Truth, to those whom I know are able to defend through Scriptures alone the current doctrines of the Church. If they are unable to, then that proves we really need to have doctrinal reformation.

I am just doing my job, brother. I am just a small spark that could perhaps start a forest fire of doctrinal reformation.

In Christ,

Samie

[ClubV12]

Men have come and gone for over a hundred years saying they have "new light" for the Adventist Church. The G.C. does not automatically dismiss everyone without at least some due consideration to their claims. As you well know Samie, since you have been battling the Church with your false doctrine for some time now. They have seen it, as I have, and rejected it, as I have.

It is not hard to see that you cannot be taken seriously as it concerns your doctrinal views. You have nothing "new" to offer. What you do offer is in direct violation of Ellen Whites counsel that not pillar of our foundation is to be moved. One of the pillars you are trying to move is the doctrine of the sanctuary. Divinely affirmed as accurate through the visions of Ellen White. The Church got this one right! Many a man has attempted through the years to change it, it still stands.

Chief among them was Dr. Ford. Widely considered a genius with a photographic memory. A leader in the Church, well thought off and respected. His false doctrine on the sanctuary resulted in about 150 Adventist Ministers leaving the faith. But here we are, still the doctrine remains, the dissenters gone, the pillar stands firm.

It will still be here long after your gone Samie. At best, you will take a few with you in your false doctrine preached under the Adventist name. But truth will stand the test of time. This to shall pass, just another voice among many to be found in Babylon.

[Samie]

Men have come and gone for over a hundred years saying they have "new light" for the Adventist Church. The G.C. does not automatically dismiss everyone without at least some due consideration to their claims. As you well know Samie, since you have been battling the Church with your false doctrine for some time now. They have seen it, as I have, and rejected it, as I have.