Stan Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 What does it mean to love God with all our heart, mind, and with all our strength? Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Igakusei Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 It means placing every aspect of your life in orbit around someone else's fiction. Quote I believe in life before death
Stan Posted September 18, 2011 Author Posted September 18, 2011 never met anyone who said they did not love God.... Yet actions do not seem to match words.. Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Igakusei Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 What? Quote I believe in life before death
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted September 18, 2011 Administrators Posted September 18, 2011 What does it mean to love one another? Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
Igakusei Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 What does it mean to love one another? It means understanding that none of us are perfect, nor will we ever be. It means acknowledging and accepting each other with our humanity still intact. It means loving gays and lesbians for who they are, and not in spite of who they are because you think you can guilt them into changing their behavior. It means not receiving disdainful stares from SDAs at the community pool because you have a harmless tattoo. Quote I believe in life before death
Neil D Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 What does it mean to love God with all our heart, mind, and with all our strength? It means that when you are starving, and are given a sandwich to eat, you give half of it away....You continue to live but slowly die a slow death in order that others live longer.... It means that when you want to enter into a forbidden relationship, no matter if you feel that this is your soulmate, THE one and only, you continue to live by the promises that you have made to another... It means that when the oppertunity comes to take a LOT of money, with no real repercussions if you do not tell anyone, you still do the right thing and return it to the rightful owner... It means when the rules are violated, and the rewards are great, you still hold by the rules... It means being fair for everyone when you could have it all... It means a lifestyle that honors all, and sacrifices to edify others.... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
Igakusei Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 Originally Posted By: Stan Jensen What does it mean to love God with all our heart, mind, and with all our strength? It means that when you are starving, and are given a sandwich to eat, you give half of it away....You continue to live but slowly die a slow death in order that others live longer.... It means that when you want to enter into a forbidden relationship, no matter if you feel that this is your soulmate, THE one and only, you continue to live by the promises that you have made to another... It means that when the oppertunity comes to take a LOT of money, with no real repercussions if you do not tell anyone, you still do the right thing and return it to the rightful owner... It means when the rules are violated, and the rewards are great, you still hold by the rules... It means being fair for everyone when you could have it all... It means a lifestyle that honors all, and sacrifices to edify others.... I agree with all of those, but my reasons have nothing to do with any gods. Quote I believe in life before death
Neil D Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 I agree with all of those, but my reasons have nothing to do with any gods. Then you may be more of a Christian than many religionists who claim God as thier savior and live to themselves.... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
Igakusei Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 Originally Posted By: Igakusei I agree with all of those, but my reasons have nothing to do with any gods. Then you may be more of a Christian than many religionists who claim God as thier savior and live to themselves.... Christians don't have a monopoly on love for humanity, you know. Quote I believe in life before death
Neil D Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 Christians don't have a monopoly on love for humanity, you know. True....but they do have the option of being guided and applying it to more people who can respond ...with a better purpose.... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
Igakusei Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 Originally Posted By: Igakusei Christians don't have a monopoly on love for humanity, you know. True....but they do have the option of being guided and applying it to more people who can respond ...with a better purpose.... My position is that the only guidance you're getting is from human beings that lived thousands of years ago. I prefer to apply morality that has a few thousand more thousand years of philosophical discourse behind it. Quote I believe in life before death
Neil D Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 My position is that the only guidance you're getting is from human beings that lived thousands of years ago. I prefer to apply morality that has a few thousand more thousand years of philosophical discourse behind it. Heheheh....yeah, I understand...And you can believe that....I have a better inside track as to what is going on in the human mind....I have 1] a history in thinking as an evolutionist but have changed to creationist proprositions 2] a male who thinks like yourself 3] empathy as to what you are thinking 4] Trust in a Higher power 5] prayer- communication to that Person Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
Igakusei Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 Are you the young-Earth variety or the discovery institute variety? If it's the former, I'd love to hear what convinced you. Edit: Regarding trust in a higher power, here's a good story. Quote I believe in life before death
skyblue888 Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 It means to become one with God through the divinity of Christ by hanging our helpless souls upon the merits of the infinite sacrifice that was made upon Calvary's cross. Those who are one with God through the divinity of Christ will not love one another as Christ has loved them? Quote "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Stan Posted September 18, 2011 Author Posted September 18, 2011 So how does that solve the problem of a child who dies every 28 seconds due to lack of food? Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
skyblue888 Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 Are we to think that in the days of Christ there were no famine at all in many countries of the world? Quote "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Igakusei Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 If I were an omnipotent deity, my creations would have food. Even if they didn't love me. Quote I believe in life before death
Stan Posted September 18, 2011 Author Posted September 18, 2011 so it is not enough of an issue to even attempt to do something about it? Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
ClubV12 Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 King David said it best: "Oh how I love thy law." The character and attributes of God are displayed in the law. Keeping the law, knowing the law, is meaningless, it's a LOVE for that law that brings the full joy, peace, happiness into one's life. To love God is to love His law. Legalism is a counterfit love, it brings nothing to this life but confusion. Quote
Neil D Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 Well, based upon that story, I have come to some rather troubling conclusions about you..... You believe that Christians, at least those here, are of the pentecostal variety. You believe that we think that we not thinking people, that we don't understand a reward system, that we have to continually be in the good state of faith regardless of the evil that is dealt us... I conclude- You have a low opinion of the Christian faith....Please, correct me, if I am wrong on that assumption. I would propose that based upon the arguements that you are getting from others on this board, who are equally learned in various areas of science, that you are getting a run for your money in the tit-for-tat arguements.....Personally, I don't like going in that direction...I don't argue scientific fact point by point. I find it endless, and useless...and it goes nowhere. As for the story, there are a lot of assumptions about God in the story that was not true....and evil was not a concept considered in this story....Such a thing makes God responsible for all things that happen in this world...Which makes no sense at all...after all, why should God kill babys? Why does God, who is Love, torture people for all eternity for 70 years of rejecting him? How can the character of God be rectified to all the suffering going on in this world? There is no sense to that unless you have active rebellion that needs to be played out in the universe. Why "played out"? so that all can see forever what active rebellion against God can does do...And evil has not it's hands tied, whereas God does... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
Igakusei Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 I understand that it's not 100% applicable to SDAs. What I have a low opinion of is people who make stuff up (theologians) to reconcile their beliefs with the realities of the world around them and then use those made-up beliefs to coerce people through guilt and fear into behavior that is unhealthy and destructive. Quote I believe in life before death
Neil D Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 I understand that it's not 100% applicable to SDAs. What I have a low opinion of is people who make stuff up (theologians) to reconcile their beliefs with the realities of the world around them and then use those made-up beliefs to coerce people through guilt and fear into behavior that is unhealthy and destructive. I agree...it's dysfunctional..destructive...and simply wrong... You will not get an arguement from me over this... But I also need to point out..... ....that assumptioms, specifically wrong assumptions, can lead to wrong conclusions.... BUT just like linear geometry is based upon the assumption that the shortest distance between two points in a straight line, different perspectives can give just a valid and workable conclusions...IE geometry- the shortest distance between two points is a curved line. Used for global caluculations for saving gas in airlines/airplanes... So, as Stan says, What does it mean to love God? Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
Stan Posted September 18, 2011 Author Posted September 18, 2011 So, what does it mean to LOVE GOD? Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Neil D Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 So, what does it mean to LOVE GOD? [thank you for the gentile guiding hand to bring us back to this disscussion....appreciated that more than the more often used 2x4] Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
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