SDA doctrine compared to Catholic Doctrine

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted By: BobRyan

It appears that the "new trick " for the RCC is to not only embrace evolutionism - but also to embrace the "aliens from space" story telling.

in Christ,

Bob

Vewy twickey.Wait...you mean my wife is not really from Venus??

According to RCC - if she is from Venus you are free to evangelize her.

In Christ,

Bob

[BobRyan]

Another major difference between the SDA church and Roman Catholicism is that the latter accept church tradition as an equal authority with the Bible. The Roman Catholic Church also accepts the Apocrypha.

Perhaps you already mentioned these things. If so, I apologize for posting them again.

Indeed you are correct.

The RCC places Tradition ahead of the Bible because tradition is used to interpret the Bible - the Bible is not used to validate or test tradition.

Which is the opposite of Mark 7.

in Christ,

Bob

[John317]

Here is what I found on the Comprehensive Research Edition CD-ROM of Ellen G. White Writings:

Quote:

MR No. 1148 - Ellen G. White and the Apocrypha

[A STATEMENT PREPARED BY ARTHUR L. WHITE IN 1969 AND NOW REQUESTED FOR CLASSROOM USE BY RON JOLLIFF, RELIGION TEACHER AT SOUTHWESTERN ADVENTIST COLLEGE. THE PARAGRAPH FROM MANUSCRIPT 4, 1850, HAS NOT HERETOFORE BEEN RELEASED.--R. W. OLSON.] {15MR 65.1}

WHILE ELLEN G. WHITE IS NOT KNOWN TO HAVE QUOTED FROM THE APOCRYPHA THERE IS SOME DOCUMENTATION OF THE EARLY YEARS WHICH MAY BE OF INTEREST IN CONNECTION WITH A STUDY OF HER RELATIONSHIP TO IT. JAMES WHITE, IN HIS PAMPHLET, A WORD TO THE LITTLE FLOCK, IN HIS FIRST ARTICLE ENTITLED "THE SEVEN LAST PLAGUES" INCLUDES TWO REFERENCES TO THE APOCRYPHA. {15MR 65.2}

PAGE 2: "THE SEED IS ROTTEN UNDER THEIR CLODS, THE GARNERS ARE

LAID DESOLATE, THE BARNS ARE BROKEN DOWN, FOR THE CORN IS

WITHERED."--SEE JOEL 1:15-18; JEREMIAH 30:23, 24; DANIEL 12:1; HABAKKUK 3:12, 13; ZEPHANIAH 1:17, 18; 2:10-13. {15MR 65.3}

PAGE 3: "I WILL BRING THEM (THE SAINTS) WITH A MIGHTY HAND AND A

STRETCHED-OUT ARM, AND SMITE EGYPT WITH PLAGUES AS BEFORE," ETC.

--2 ESDRAS 15:11. {15MR 65.4}

AS HE FURNISHED SCRIPTURE REFERENCES TO TWO ELLEN G. WHITE VISIONS, INCORPORATED IN A WORD TO THE LITTLE FLOCK, HE ALSO INCORPORATED SOME REFERENCES TO THE APOCRYPHA. HIS EXPLANATION WHICH PRECEDES THE PUBLICATION OF THE FIRST VISION STATES: {15MR 65.5}

"THE FOLLOWING VISION WAS PUBLISHED IN THE DAY STAR,

MORE THAN A YEAR AGO. BY THE REQUEST OF FRIENDS, IT IS RE-PUBLISHED

IN THIS LITTLE WORK, WITH SCRIPTURE REFERENCES, FOR THE BENEFIT

OF THE LITTLE FLOCK."--A WORD TO THE

LITTLE FLOCK, P. 13 {15MR 65.6}

AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGES 15 AND 17 THERE ARE REFERENCES KEYED TO THE E. G. WHITE TEXT, ONE REFERENCE TO 2 ESDRAS 2:43, (P. 15) AND THE OTHER TO 2 ESDRAS 2:19, (P. 17).

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IT IS CLEAR THAT JAMES WHITE SAW SOME SIMILARITIES BETWEEN WHAT ELLEN WHITE WROTE AND SOME THINGS HE HAD READ IN ESDRAS, AND SO USED THESE REFERENCES AS HE DID SCRIPTURE REFERENCES WHICH HE SAYS HE SUPPLIED. {15MR 66.1}

THE HIDDEN BOOK

IN A REPORT SIGNED BY THREE EARLY BELIEVERS REFERENCE IS MADE TO THE HIDDEN BOOK AS ELLEN WHITE UTTERED CERTAIN WORDS IN VISION. HERE IS THE ACCOUNT: {15MR 66.2}

"AT ANOTHER TIME AT A MEETING HELD AT BROTHER CURTIS'

IN TOPSHAM, MAINE, SHE WAS TAKEN OFF IN VISION, AND AROSE TO

HER FEET, TOOK THE LARGE FAMILY BIBLE FROM THE TABLE, AND HELD

IT ON HER HAND SOME TIME AT AN ANGLE OF FORTY-FIVE DEGREES, AND

SAID THE HIDDEN BOOK WAS NOT THERE. WHEN SOME ONE ASKED IF THE

APOCRYPHA WAS NOT IN THE BIBLE, BROTHER CURTIS REMARKED IT WAS

NOT. SHE TALKED SOMETIME ABOUT THE HIDDEN BOOK. NO ONE KNEW

BUT BRO. CURTIS FAMILY THAT THE APOCRAPHA [APOCRYPHA] WAS NOT THERE.

MRS. S. HOWLAND

REBECCA HOWLAND WINSLOW

FRANCES HOWLAND LUNT" {15MR 66.3}

IN THE REPORT OF A VISION GIVEN TO ELLEN WHITE AT OSWEGO, NEW YORK ON JANUARY 11, 1850, AND CARRYING A COPYING DATE OF JANUARY 28, 1850, ELLEN WHITE MAKES A REFERENCE TO THE HIDDEN BOOK. HER DESCRIPTION OF WHAT WAS SHOWN TO HER IN THE VISION CONTAINS MANY ITEMS AND AS ON FILE COMPRISES FOUR AND A QUARTER TYPE-WRITTEN PAGES. NEAR THE CLOSE OF HER STATEMENT WE FIND THESE WORDS: {15MR 66.4}

"All, all who keep the commandments of God, will enter in

through the gates into the city and have right to the tree of

life and ever be in the presence of that lovely Jesus whose

countenance shines brighter than the sun at noon day. I then

saw the word of God pure and unadulterated, and that we must

answer for the way we received the truth proclaimed from that

word. I saw that it had been a hammer to break the flinty

heart in pieces, and a fire to consume the dross and tin, that

the heart might be pure and holy. I saw that the Apocrypha was

the hidden book, and that the wise of these last days should

understand it. I saw that the Bible was the standard book, that

will judge us at the last day. I saw that heaven would be cheap

enough, and that nothing was too dear to sacrifice for Jesus,

and that we must give all to enter the kingdom."--Manuscript 4,

1850, (A copy of E. G. White's Vision which she had at Oswego, N.Y.)

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ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS REFERENCE IS MADE TO THE APOCRYPHA IN ARTICLES IN THE REVIEW AND HERALD. THESE ARE OF INTEREST, AND COPY OF THE MATERIALS IS ATTACHED. {15MR 66.5}

THE FULL MEANING AND SIGNIFICANCE OF THE E. G. WHITE STATEMENT OF 1850 IS NOT CLEARLY SEEN. IT SHOULD BE OBSERVED THAT ELLEN WHITE MAKES NO REFERENCE TO THE APOCRYPHA AT ANY TIME IN HER WRITINGS IN THE SUBSEQUENT 65 YEARS. IF WHAT WE HAVE IS A CORRECT COPY OF WHAT SHE WROTE, AND AT TIMES THERE IS SOME UNCERTAINTY AS TO THE ACCURACY OF SOME OF THE STATEMENTS BEARING THESE EARLY DATES, AT NO TIME SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, DID SHE HAVE OCCASION TO CALL THE ATTENTION OF THE CHURCH TO THE APOCRYPHA TO URGE ITS READING OR TO EXPLAIN ITS SIGNIFICANCE. THIS BEING THE CASE, OUR COUNSEL WOULD BE TO GIVE THE MATTER A MINIMUM OF ATTENTION. SURELY THE SILENCES IN HER PUBLISHED WRITINGS ON THIS SUBJECT CARRY SIGNIFICANCE.

ARTHUR L. WHITE

Ellen G. White Estate Washington, D. C. Release Date June 6, 1985 {15MR 67.1}