Occupy Wall Street Protesters Call For Totalitarian Government

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Occupy Wall Street Protesters Call For Totalitarian Government, Re-Election Of Obama

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Paul Joseph Watson

Infowars.com

Sunday, October 2, 2011

Despite their honest intentions, many of the Occupy Wall Street protesters are being suckered into a trap and calling for the very “solutions” that are part of the financial elite’s agenda to torpedo the American middle class – higher taxes and more big government.

Watch the clip below in which journalist Adam Kokesh talks to Occupy Wall Street protesters.

The ignorance displayed in these interviews knows no bounds. The protesters just don’t get it. They are calling for the government to use force to impose their ideas, all in the name of bringing down corporations who they don’t realize have completely bought off government regulators. Corporations and government enjoy a mutually beneficial relationship – getting one to regulate the other is asinine and only hurts smaller businesses who are legitimately trying to compete in a free market economy that barely exists.

The zeal for totalitarian government amongst some of the “protesters” is shocking. One sign being carried around read, “A government is an entity which holds the monopolistic right to initiate force,” which seems a little ironic when protesters complain about being physically assaulted by police in the same breath.

One woman interviewed by Kokesh also announces her intention to help Obama to capture a second term. How can a self-proclaimed Occupy Wall Street protester simultaneously support the man whose 2008 campaign was bankrolled by Wall Street, whose 2012 campaign is reliant on Wall Street to an even greater extent, and whose cabinet was filled with Wall Street operatives?

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The usual suspects, mega-rich foundations and elitists, behind the young radicals have also started to emerge – George Soros, The Ruckus Society, the Tides Foundation and the Ford Foundation.

“The belated crusade against Wall Street is even more pathetic as it is coordinated by groups who wouldn’t exist without men like Soros, who made their money from deals that make the Street look sparkling clean. It’s class warfare as a cynical jab at the populist center, the people who mutter to themselves that the Street is full of crooks and so is Congress,” writes Daniel Greenfield.

The thousands of Americans currently expressing their disgust at Wall Street and the bankers who have ruined the economy to the detriment of the poor and middle class should be commended for getting off their hind ends and doing something, unlike the millions who will continue to watch American Idol, drink beer and laugh in ignorance as the country is flushed down the toilet. It should also be added that there is a sprinkling of “End the Fed” demonstrators who truly understand the root cause of the problem.

However, the fact that the majority of the Occupy Wall Street demonstrators are advocating “solutions” which the very elite they claim to be protesting against also want should set alarm bells ringing.

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The official Occupy Wall Street website vehemently supports Obama’s tax agenda, again in the deluded belief that Obama, the ultimate Wall Street puppet, genuinely wants to go after big corporations who use loopholes to avoid paying income tax.

In calling for higher taxes on the middle class, the protesters are mimicking the likes of billionaire Warren Buffet. The top corporations pay virtually zero income tax because of loopholes that they have crafted in league with bought off government regulators. Obama’s tax hikes will only impact genuine middle class businesses and middle class Americans earning over $200,000 – with the rate of inflation as it is this can hardly be described as the “super rich”.

As Anthony Wile writes, the protesters are being completely misdirected by their socialist/communist leaders. The real center of financial control is the Federal Reserve and the city of London, and yet ideologue Michael Moore said earlier this week that “ending capitalism” was more important than dealing with the Fed.

Wiles notes that the protesters seem obsessed with those who conduct financial transactions, not those who actually run global central banks, the real string pullers.

“To get at the root of the problem, one should be protesting, say, in London’s City where central banking originated. Or protesting in front of the Federal Reserve in Washington DC. These are real seats of power. But the shadowy and excessively powerful and wealthy individuals who have created the modern economic system are quite satisfied no doubt to have Wall Street take the blame. It suits their purposes,” writes Wiles.

“It is too bad that the Occupy Wall Street movement seems to be obscuring the larger issues by apparently blaming the private (transactional) sector in entirety for what has occurred in the past few years.”

[Guest]

The zeal for totalitarian government amongst some of the “protesters” is shocking. One sign being carried around read, “A government is an entity which holds the monopolistic right to initiate force,” which seems a little ironic when protesters complain about being physically assaulted by police in the same breath.

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LOL

[lazarus]

LOL

It is funny. It's just like the ignorance that some Tea people display.

That being said I'm hoping to get down there some time this week. It time to shut down wall street!

[Dr. Shane]

How is shutting down Wall Street going to help put people back to work?

[lazarus]

How is shutting down Wall Street going to help put people back to work?

The 2008 crisis showed how corrupt and weak the banking system is. Shutting down wall street will cause the policy makers to pay attention and address the roots of the world's economic woes.

[phkrause]

The 2008 crisis showed how corrupt and weak the banking system is. Shutting down wall street will cause the policy makers to pay attention and address the roots of the world's economic woes.

Agreed and not only that it gets rid of having to give them bonus money, cough, cough, no bayling(sp) them out once again so they can give out bonuses for doing such a great job.

[Dr. Shane]

The 2008 crisis showed how corrupt and weak the banking system is. Shutting down wall street will cause the policy makers to pay attention and address the roots of the world's economic woes.

That really sounds like a wasted effort. I think everyone knows how corrupt the banking system is. Your efforts would be better spent volunteering at a homeless shelter where you really will make a difference.

[lazarus]

That really sounds like a wasted effort. I think everyone knows how corrupt the banking system is. Your efforts would be better spent volunteering at a homeless shelter where you really will make a difference.

That kind of sentiment probably was expressed in Egypt, Yemen, syria, Libya, Greece etc.

[Dr. Shane]

I am not sure what you are saying. Are you hoping the outcome of the protests on Wall Street will be like those in these other countries?

I don't think the protests will accomplish anything. Nothing at all. They will probably not even be mentioned in history textbooks. Yet with the same amount of time and dedication, a Christian believer could accomplish something with eternal consequences.

[lazarus]

I am not sure what you are saying.

I'm not sure why?

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Are you hoping the outcome of the protests on Wall Street will be like those in these other countries?

Of course! I am hoping for reform and change.

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. Yet with the same amount of time and dedication, a Christian believer could accomplish something with eternal consequences.

The activities are not mutually exclusive.

[Dr. Shane]

You must have more time on your hands than I do. I have to turn down opportunities for community service all the time. I wish I could do more than I do.

[lazarus]

You must have more time on your hands than I do. I have to turn down opportunities for community service all the time. I wish I could do more than I do.

I guess there were folks who told MLK to go and give a Bible study rather than go to Selma. Both were community service.

[Dr. Shane]

MLK made a difference. A bunch of liberals protesting on Wall Street will make no difference and soon be forgotten. Ministering to the downtrodden will have eternal consequences.

[lazarus]

MLK made a difference.

That's 20/20 hindsight. Many Christians criticized him heavily at the time. They said he was making things worse. He was making the wrong kind of difference. Remember the Letter from a Birmingham jail?

[phkrause]

That's 20/20 hindsight. Many Christians criticized him heavily at the time. They said he was making things worse. He was making the wrong kind of difference. Remember the Letter from a Birmingham jail?

Absolutely Lazarus, even those in his own group thought he was to mild. Malcolm X being one of them, also Bobby Brown. This is also why the Black Panthers got together.

[Dr. Shane]

OK. Instead of saving a soul for the kingdom. Go down and protest Wall Street. A year from now, we will see if any difference has been made.

[lazarus]

OK. Instead of saving a soul for the kingdom. Go down and protest Wall Street. A year from now, we will see if any difference has been made.

Why are you making it a choice between the two? I'm not going to be cancelling any of my Bible studies. Why should I?

[Dr. Shane]

I am speaking from my experience. You may have a lot more time on your hands. I have been invited to many political events. I write a political commentary for a local newspaper. I write it under a pen name but the editor knows every politician in the four-county area. I get invited to political activities all the time from both ends of the political spectrum. But I can't do that stuff without sacrificing something else. I have two kids 8 and 10 years old. I work with people in alcohol and drug addiction programs. I also do missionary work in Mexico. I value all those things above political activities. I feel like I have a higher calling. I write the political column because it gives me very cheap advertising that I use to promote local church activities.

[lazarus]

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I am speaking from my experience. You may have a lot more time on your hands.

I Pastor a church, do prayer meetings, chair administrative meetings, preach most weeks. I conduct bible studies. Sit on the conference executive and subcommittees. I am currently counseling 4 couples. I am in graduate school. I'm married. I have a toddler and two school age children. I have one cat. I work out three times a week.

If I chose to take a day and go to New York to occupy Wall street I do it becasue i think its important.

I'm not sure who has more spare time. You write your column, I choose to get onto the street. It could be argued that to write your column is a waste of time. You're the one who sees value in it. How many souls has your political column saved?

[Dr. Shane]

How many souls has your political column saved?

The editor gives me super cheap rates on advertising and I get 2"x2" ads. I advertise free Bible studies, Christian satellite TV service, evangelistic meetings and other church outreach programs. I don't know how many I reach - maybe none. I'll find out someday. I think it is a deal for the editor as I have quite a following and advertisers like their ads to surround my articles. He received a letter from one of our state representatives regarding my commentary.

[lazarus]

The editor gives me super cheap rates on advertising and I get 2"x2" ads. I advertise free Bible studies, Christian satellite TV service, evangelistic meetings and other church outreach programs. I don't know how many I reach - maybe none. I'll find out someday. I think it is a deal for the editor as I have quite a following and advertisers like their ads to surround my articles. He received a letter from one of our state representatives regarding my commentary.

People can advertise without writing a column. You choose to do both. That's exactly my point.

[Dr. Shane]

You really missed the point on that one. Money, like time, also has opportunity costs. People can advertising without writing a column, that is true, but it costs money. Money spent on advertising could be spent subsidizing a low-income student's church school tuition, donated to the church budget or many other places. By writing the column, I get an rate that is about 75% less than what other advertisers are charged.

Politics is like shoveling snow or mowing the grass. Somebody has to do it but rarely will the things done have a lasting effect. Sure, we can look at people like MLK and the great political achievements that one person made politically. And those are admirable. But the truth is that millions of other people have wasted precious time and energy in causes much less admirable. Should we live our lives by the "rule" or the exception to the "rule"?

The whole idea of this Wall Street protest is that attention be brought to the corruption of the financial sector. What is completely ridiculous is the idea that something needs to be done to draw attention to it. Why not have a protest to draw attention to the fact the sky is blue or the moon orbits the Earth? Somethings are so blatantly obvious that no protest is needed. We have been in a recession for the last three years because of the corruption in the financial sector. Those that are not aware of it have their heads buried in the sand and a protest on Wall Street is not going to get their attention.

A minister of the gospel and a medical doctor are the two highest callings God has for man. God does call some to run for political office but it is a lower calling than that of being a gospel minister. I am one that does not believe God calls the same individual to be both a minister and a politician. I respect Adventists like Shelia Jackson Lee, Roscoe Barlett and John Street that have went into politics. I have no such respect for Jesse Jackson, James Dobson and Al Sharpton that can't figure out the difference between being called to the ministry and called to politics.

[lazarus]

Politics is like shoveling snow or mowing the grass. Somebody has to do it but rarely will the things done have a lasting effect.

The history of the world (that's a lot of evidence) shows that not to be true. Politics/politicians have been an incredible force for good and evil in the world.

Remember George Washington or perhaps Hitler.

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Sure, we can look at people like MLK and the great political achievements that one person made politically

MLK did do that on his own. He marched and protested with thousands of Christian people. their time and their blood was well spent. Many ministers including SDA's were involved. Quakers protested slavery hundreds of years ago. I don't think that was a waste of time. There are many Christian people who were willing to do more get out of the pew and make the truth of God and about God known.

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We have been in a recession for the last three years because of the corruption in the financial sector.

Which of the current GOP candidates would agree with that statement or have expressed that sentiment. The refrain that we hear is to blame Sub prime borrowers or that there is too much government.

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A minister of the gospel and a medical doctor are the two highest callings God has for man. God does call some to run for political office but it is a lower calling than that of being a gospel minister. I am one that does not believe God calls the same individual to be both a minister and a politician. I respect Adventists like Shelia Jackson Lee, Roscoe Barlett and John Street that have went into politics. I have no such respect for Jesse Jackson, James Dobson and Al Sharpton that can't figure out the difference between being called to the ministry and called to politics.

Ok...... so you are going off topic. Why are you talking about ministers running for political office?

It's a good thing that we have the Bible as a guide and not your beliefs. Obviously, you'd have problem with MLK's activities if we were having this discussion in 1960.

I'm glad these three Pastors understood their calling.

[Dr. Shane]

Politics is very alluring and often results in causing Christians to take their eyes off from the ball. Everything in this world is temporary. Anything we do politically will not have lasting effects. Only the winning of souls has an enduring impact.

There is nothing wrong with getting involved in politics however it should be kept in perspective. Politics is not religion. A devoted believer may get involved politically to get a new school built in the community or to get the speed limit changed and that is fine. But let's keep it in perspective. It is like mowing the grass or shoveling snow. Jesus is going to come and destroy everything on this Earth and every political achievement we ever made will be forgotten.

Did MLK do a good thing? Sure he did. But all those black folks in the South that gained their civil rights didn't gain salvation as a result. Did they? Certainly Lincoln freeing the slaves was a greater thing as many slave masters did not allow their slaves to even learn about Jesus.

Many of us Seventh-day Adventist Christians feel a longing to do God's will in our lives. So it is quite relevant to keep politics in perspective. While many of our Catholic and evangelical brothers and sisters feel a divine calling to become politically active, the Adventist church does not teach that. Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world, if it were, then would My servants fight." We have no divine command to become politically active in this world. The command is to go into all nations preaching the good news.