SivartM Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 Oh, the irony... Don't you realize that if you are guaranteeing a quality of life for those who don't try, and those to do try and fail, that you are guaranteeing everyone for there is no one left other than those who do succeed? This incentivizes those who are lazy to do nothing for they are guaranteed their needs. It's pure lunacy to encourage lazy people to not work. Quote "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde�Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." - Jesus
Overaged Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 Thats quite true; but it looks like joeb was just speaking for himself and giving his own experience as an example. He didn't say every non christian was like that... Quote "People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)"I cannot know why suddenly the stormshould rage so fiercely round me in it's wrathBut this I know: God watches all my pathAnd I can trust""God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - OveragedFaith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ
fccool Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 Quote: Oh, the irony... Don't you realize that if you are guaranteeing a quality of life for those who don't try, and those to do try and fail, that you are guaranteeing everyone for there is no one left other than those who do succeed? This incentivizes those who are lazy to do nothing for they are guaranteed their needs. It's pure lunacy to encourage lazy people to not work. There's a far stretch from helping people who don't have work, and encouraging people to not work. It's like saying that helping people to exercise would only encourage them to eat more. Or that saving people from drowning would only encourage them not to learn how to swim on their own. It's silly. There are people who genuinely can't get work, because they are ugly, uneducated, sick, and etc... and this system leaves them out on the streets. I don't think that helping those people would constitute discouraging them from being better. Quote
Overaged Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 It's silly. There are people who genuinely can't get work, because they are ugly, uneducated, sick, and etc... and this system leaves them out on the streets. I don't think that helping those people would constitute discouraging them from being better. You are so right here. I worked with those homeless in the alleys and the overpasses of a large Canadian city for two years. They would all back you on this statement. Quote "People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)"I cannot know why suddenly the stormshould rage so fiercely round me in it's wrathBut this I know: God watches all my pathAnd I can trust""God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - OveragedFaith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ
Neil D Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 Oh, the irony... Don't you realize that if you are guaranteeing a quality of life for those who don't try, and those to do try and fail, that you are guaranteeing everyone for there is no one left other than those who do succeed? This incentivizes those who are lazy to do nothing for they are guaranteed their needs. It's pure lunacy to encourage lazy people to not work. Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
Overaged Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 Quote: I've worked in hospitals... that is when I rail against what you say, Joeb. It's stupid, it's judgemental, and it's truely anti-Christian. It's with holding help when help is available. It's a refusial to help those who desire help and it's making judgements about people that we have no business making.... [/quote'] Joeb was not saying what you say he did. I wonder who is really being so judgmental here? All joeb said was that it is "lunacy" to encourage lazy people to NOT work; and you are so judgmental that you call him antichristian, stupid, etc, just for that?? Wow. You and another poster here seem quite bent on smearing joeb's character, just because you can't stop twisting what he says...You need to get a grip on reality and remember it is the mark of the beast to lie and slander like this. Quote "People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)"I cannot know why suddenly the stormshould rage so fiercely round me in it's wrathBut this I know: God watches all my pathAnd I can trust""God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - OveragedFaith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ
joeb Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 Originally Posted By: Igakusei /yawn Great reply. I knew you had it in you.... Igaksuei, I've been thinking about what I said/did right here and I was wrong to do this. I was out of line and not representing my Savior well at all. I'm sorry, and hope you will accept my apologies. Quote Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.Alexis de Tocqueville
Overaged Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 quote=joeb]quote=Igakusei]/yawn /quote] Great reply. I knew you had it in you.... /quote] Igaksuei, I've been thinking about what I said/did right here and I was wrong to do this. I was out of line and not representing my Savior well at all. I'm sorry, and hope you will accept my apologies. Ya; you have a good point...maybe I shouldn't have "liked" your comment as much as i did. I apologize too Igaksuei... Quote "People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)"I cannot know why suddenly the stormshould rage so fiercely round me in it's wrathBut this I know: God watches all my pathAnd I can trust""God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - OveragedFaith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ
ClubV12 Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 This thread is like an out of control car. First one side of the road in the ditch, then wildly crossing the road to the other ditch. ...narrowly missing the chicken who has no idea why he is even crossing the road. Quote
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted October 16, 2011 Author Administrators Posted October 16, 2011 That happens every time someone hijacks a topic to spout off about their pet partisan propaganda... Thanks joeb... Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted October 16, 2011 Author Administrators Posted October 16, 2011 That happens every time someone hijacks a topic to spout off about their pet partisan propaganda... Thanks joeb... Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
Overaged Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 That happens every time someone hijacks a topic to spout off about their pet partisan propaganda... Thanks joeb... Well you are no different in this topic Quote "People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)"I cannot know why suddenly the stormshould rage so fiercely round me in it's wrathBut this I know: God watches all my pathAnd I can trust""God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - OveragedFaith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ
CoAspen Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 This thread is like an out of control car. First one side of the road in the ditch, then wildly crossing the road to the other ditch. ...narrowly missing the chicken who has no idea why he is even crossing the road. Am in total agreement!! Quote
Overaged Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 LOL, STOP PICKING ON THE CHICKEN PEOPLE Quote "People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)"I cannot know why suddenly the stormshould rage so fiercely round me in it's wrathBut this I know: God watches all my pathAnd I can trust""God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - OveragedFaith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ
SivartM Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 LOL, STOP PICKING ON THE CHICKEN PEOPLE Seriously! Birds have feelings too, you know. Quote "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde�Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." - Jesus
Overaged Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 Good to "see" you on the forum again SivartM! Quote "People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)"I cannot know why suddenly the stormshould rage so fiercely round me in it's wrathBut this I know: God watches all my pathAnd I can trust""God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - OveragedFaith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ
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