How Protestant and Catholic Churches Will Form Union

[ClubV12]

The gospel is preached to everyone. We are a witness to everyone, leaders, members, community alike. We know only a handfull will believe and accept, but we don't know who they are or what impact on our local church and beyond we might have. Ours is to do,,, and die if necessary,,, the results are up to Him, I will not abandon my post.

[Gibs]

Club12,

And others, here is a series I was introduced to on another forum and you may be enlightened by it, it has many parts, take a few at a time and go back and pick up where you left off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&list=PL70118C8DEDCEB4F0&v=HDDGl79x4Pc

The take over by the NWO and this includes Christianity, it is deeply into it, you decide if it is too deep for any to stop.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[ClubV12]

And if we don't "stop it"? What then? The church as a result of this, in combination with other doctrines some folks may not like, will for them make it appear as though the church is about to fall. Some will conclude it HAS fallen, others will take that position in due time over some issue (the shaking will be part of this), but it will appear to fall to ALL OF US before this is over!! That much we know for sure, what the mechanism(s) will be remain a mystery to some, while clear and convincing to others. If not now, in the future certainly!

So,,, what are we to do when we see this happening (the apparent fall of the church)?

[Gibs]

ClubV12,

That union is now being formed and in most cases is fairly completed, it goes by the Name "Emerging Church" and it looks like it is more than Catholics and Protestants. But if a so called Protestant falls in with it are they really protestant? For me I think not. Personally I find the shaking almost over.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[ClubV12]

Gibs says,

"Personally I find the shaking almost over."

Oh I think we haven't seen nothing yet as it regards the shaking. It will get considerably more intense. This is just the warmup exercises. If your shaken out already, you won't have a chance when it really comes home to roost.

[John317]

Personally I find the shaking almost over.

On the contrary, Gibs, the shaking is only just beginning. We haven't seen anything yet. Millions will yet be shaken out and millions shaken in.

[Gibs]

ClubV12,

You must remember I was doing battle 35 years ago and now those within are cozy with certain set theologies that are not even recognized as coming in back yonder and the big one is whether one can be an overcomer which is not the teaching today.

Being overcomers is not theory, theology, but a plain thus saith the lord. Stand up for that with scripture and many EGW statements and you meet with ire. I know.

I love this following verse as it actually tells it all.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[ClubV12]

Stand up for Ellen White? Indeed!!! I find it rather disturbing that you choose to ignore her counsel and then appear to support her at the same time.

She confirms the year for a day principle, and yet you reject that. She says the church will not fall, and yet you call the church Babylon and say it fell in the early 1900's.

She confirms the 2,300 year prophecy as being in the past, fulfilled in 1844. And yet you say she made a mistake on those calculations and completely misunderstood Revelation in regards to the 1,260 year period.

You can't have it both ways, she is an inspired messenger or she is not. Which is it?

[John317]

[Gibs]

ClubV12,

You don't seem to know all prophecy isn't year for a day and now the literal time prophecy is fulfilling and you cannot see it, open your eyes, the Chap Rev 13: is after 1798 and the prophecies there are not yr. for a day, run with it if you want but you are running blind. Actually most of it has happened except we are now gettin very, very close now to those last 3'1/2 years which is all the time the beast is given to continue.

Now for all who think that period has been fulfilled, how do you explain the beast continuing after all these years. What does it take to get you awake. Here it is, it is plain,

Re 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Re 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

The Beast is given but 42 mos. more of literal time to continue and it done, over.

Really one of the pioneers saw that and U. Smith went balistic and I wonder if any know who it was, well he is right and U.Smith. is wrong.

If I could talk to you verbally I wouldn't mind discussing prophecy with you but it takes too much for me to type these explanations out and try to get you over the hurdles you have to get over so sometime I may copy and past in my essay of the prophecy or Rev. 13: but it is so late I think you might as well see it play out. If I do I will answer no comments, you just can watch and see.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[ClubV12]

What does it take to get ME awake? I AM awake!

From some of your earlier comments I take it you left the Adventist church some 30 years ago? Being in darkness so long does not bode well for your recovery Gibs. Very sad, you are fighting against the church and the prophet. I don't know what to say, if anything can be said, to help you see the errors of your theology.

[Gibs]

ClubV12,

I got a couple scenes here for you and others who wonder about prophetic things.

Check out these two and fit them into your assessment of prophecy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_of_the_South

http://www.360cities.net/image/angel-of-the-north#0.00,-25.00,80.0

You may have to copy and paste that second one in your browser.

You will find them interesting I am sure.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Bert]

Gibs wrote: "Re 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Re 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

The Beast is given but 42 mos. more of literal time to continue and it done, over."

This period of 42 months parallels the 1260 day prophecy as well as the time, times and a half time...and all three point to the ascension of power of the papacy, which is followed by the papacy and its persecution of those who remained loyal to the true apostolic teachings, and which terminated at the end of the 1260 day/years. In reading the verses above, it is apparent in context that it is referring to the beast of Revelation as well as the fourth beast of Daniel and its 'little horn'.