Paul Admits 'Some Responsibility' for Racist Newsletters

[phkrause]

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/paul-...omo_code=DD30-1

[lazarus]

I don't know what the fuss is about. Many GOPer's have said bad things about black people. I actually think is part of proving your bone fides as a republican. Even Hermain Cain did that.

[Dr. Shane]

I don't think there are any more racists in the Republican Party than there are in the Democrat Party. Racism is still alive and well and it is found everywhere from the banks on Wall Street to the barrio in Chicago and even churches in East LA. It is not confined to any race, religious background, economic class or sexual identity.

[bonnie]

I don't know what the fuss is about. Many GOPer's have said bad things about black people. I actually think is part of proving your bone fides as a republican. Even Hermain Cain did that.

Have you checked the background of the Klu-Klux clan,those who fought for and against civil rights?

Have you listened to Obama,his grandmother"Just a typical white woman"?

The issue isn't whether Paul assumes"some responsibility"

It is is denial of knowing anything about it while there are specific statements on record being said by Paul.

Stand behind what you say instead of blaming others

[Woody]

I know it is popular to call out the 'race' card. But personally I don't witness racism. Of course I live in Cowboy country. I live on a ranch. But, I believe that racism is mostly dead. What I see much more of is reverse racism. Being black or any other race than white - is a huge advantage in this country. One that I personally don't qualify.

[Bravus]

The racism is not the issue bonnie is raising here, it's the dishonesty.

As ever, it's not the offence that gets you, it's the cover-up.

[Dr. Shane]

I believe that racism is mostly dead.

Racism is alive and well. There are a lot of people that hate others if they have a different skin color and talk funny. My point is simply that racism is not limited to any one race.

[Woody]

Originally Posted By: Woody

I believe that racism is mostly dead.

Racism is alive and well. There are a lot of people that hate others if they have a different skin color and talk funny. My point is simply that racism is not limited to any one race.

Well that's a good point I guess. I know there is hate all over the world. But I personally don't see hate based on the color of ones skin. The hate is there because hate is there. But I don't see it as racism.

Is it "racism" to hate gay marriage?

You see those that want to hate will find ANY excuse. If you have red hair they will hate that. If you have a crooked nose - they will use that as an excuse to demonstrate hate.

[Dr. Shane]

I personally don't see hate based on the color of ones skin.

What color are you?

[Woody]

Originally Posted By: Woody

I personally don't see hate based on the color of ones skin.

What color are you?

That does not matter. What I see is people who hate and they will use anything as an excuse for their biases.

Yes. I do see some who abuse me because I am not like them in my color or whatever else they deem different. But I see through their selfishness. I just don't view it as racism because they use ANYthing as an excuse.

[Dr. Shane]

Originally Posted By: Shane

What color are you?

That does not matter.

Of course it does. Are you going to avoid the question?

[Woody]

Quote:

Of course it does. Are you going to avoid the question?

To say that there are some races that are exempt from hate - is simply ignorance. So, I see no value in disclosing my race. My race is no different in this regard than any other.

[Dr. Shane]

When someone makes a bold statement like "I personally don't see hate based on the color of ones skin." then their skin color and place where they live becomes very relevant.

A white person living in a middle-class community and surrounded by mostly Christian friends and family is not likely to see much racism. A white person living in East LA and working a criminal detention facility or drug rehab center probably wouldn't make such a bold statement.

[lazarus]

I don't think there are any more racists in the Republican Party than there are in the Democrat Party.

In American politics, the Southern strategy refers to the Republican Party strategy of winning elections in Southern states by exploiting anti-African American racism and fears of lawlessness among Southern white voters and appealing to fears of growing federal power in social and economic matters (generally lumped under the concept of states rights). Though the "Solid South" had been a longtime Democratic Party stronghold due to the Democratic Party's defense of slavery prior to the American Civil War and segregation for a century thereafter, many white Southern Democrats stopped supporting the party following the civil rights plank of the Democratic campaign in 1948 (triggering the Dixicrats), the African-American Civil Rights Movement, the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965, and desegregation.

The GOP built much of the its late 20th Century strategy in the South on racism.

[lazarus]

Have you checked the background of the Klu-Klux clan,those who fought for and against civil rights?

Sure. They crossed over to your party Bonnie.

Many white Southern Democrats stopped supporting the party following the civil rights plank of the Democratic campaign in 1948 (triggering the Dixicrats), the African-American Civil Rights Movement, the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965, and desegregation.

[lazarus]

Is it "racism" to hate gay marriage?

Questions sometimes reveal as much as answers.

[lazarus]

My point is simply that racism is not limited to any one race.

I'm not even saying its limited to one party I'm just saying that I'm not surprised that a GOP would have had these racist comments in his background. The GOP is growing out of its racism but it will take time. Gingrich and Santorium have growing pains even now.

[Dr. Shane]

The problem with that theory is that there was not a massive shift from Democrats to Republicans in the South until the 1990s during the Clinton Administration. Which is the same time Rick Perry switched from being Democrat to Republican. There may have been some shift back in the '50s and 60's but remember it was the national Republican Party that got LBJ's civil right's reforms passed and Richard Nixon built on top of LBJ's reforms so the GOP would not have been some safe haven for white, racist Democrats to flee to. The shift in the '90s was so significant that US Senate seats and governorships actually went to the GOP. At that time Bob Dole stated in his prime-time speech at the GOP convention that if there were any racists in the room they needed to find the door.

The fact is racism is all over. There are black people that hate white people. They are racists. There are black people that hate Hispanics. They are racists. There are Asians that hate blacks. They are racists. There are Hispanics that hate Asians. They are racists.

I live in an area that is about 90% Hispanic. I have applied to jobs in the public sector and had people far less qualified than me get hired for them. The only explanation is that my skin is the wrong color. One position was for a public school district and the position's requirements stated that it required a college degree. Not only do I have a college degree, I have the degree that prepares a person for the job I was applying for. I was interviewed by a committee of three people. All of them were Hispanics. The interview went great. I clearly demonstrated my knowledge of the job and ability to do it. They didn't hire me. They hired someone who never went to college and did not even have the work background the job required. He was Hispanic. It is very likely that all three of the people that interviewed me are Democrats. So don't try and tell me that racists live in the Republican Party. There are racists in both political parties and all walks of life.

[lazarus]

Are you saying that there was no such thing as a "southern strategy"?

[Bravus]

It's worth making the point again, I think (though the discussion of race is interesting and worthwhile and I'm learning a lot), that the real problem for Paul on this issue is one of honesty as much as race. As bonnie's post showed, he defended what he wrote in the 90s, then denied he wrote it in the 00s. Honesty is a prime requisite for president.

[bonnie]

It's worth making the point again, I think (though the discussion of race is interesting and worthwhile and I'm learning a lot), that the real problem for Paul on this issue is one of honesty as much as race. As bonnie's post showed, he defended what he wrote in the 90s, then denied he wrote it in the 00s. Honesty is a prime requisite for president.

There's also the little problem of who he accepts money from.

When you have verbal and financial support from David Duke,Aryan groups and others like that doesn't it make anyone wonder?

Do these groups support him because he reflects their views or are they supporting him because he is opposed to them?

[phkrause]

There's also the little problem of who he accepts money from.

When you have verbal and financial support from David Duke,Aryan groups and others like that doesn't it make anyone wonder?

Do these groups support him because he reflects their views or are they supporting him because he is opposed to them?

I didn't know this, thanks for the info. I've always considered him a viable candidate, even though I do have other problems with him.

[bonnie]

Originally Posted By: bonnie

There's also the little problem of who he accepts money from.

When you have verbal and financial support from David Duke,Aryan groups and others like that doesn't it make anyone wonder?

Do these groups support him because he reflects their views or are they supporting him because he is opposed to them?

I didn't know this, thanks for the info. I've always considered him a viable candidate, even though I do have other problems with him.

He says he disavows what these groups stand for.But I guess my question is accepting money and refusing to return what comes from these groups.He is not responsible for checks coming in but he is responsible for what he is willing to accept.

Does Ron Paul reflect their views or???

I know he has been supported by the Montana militia.The head of that used to be a neighbor and related to our extended family.

As a neighbor went he didn't do any harm but knowing him he is not going to support unless there is very common ground with his very extreme views

[bonnie]

Supports Ron Paul

Founded:February 1994

Location: Noxon, Montana

Leaders: John Trochmann, David Trochmann, Randy Trochmann

Publications: Taking Aim newsletter, MOM product catalog

Associations: Aryan Nations, Freemen, Liberty Lobby

Militia of Montana is one of the best known of the paramilitary "patriot" militias that formed in the mid-to-late 1990s. John Trochmann, along with his brother David and nephew Randy, formed the group in January 1994 in Noxon, Montana. All three have been involved with the Idaho-based Aryan Nations -- John as a featured speaker at the 1990 Aryan Nations Congress. AN founder Richard Butler has said that John helped write AN's code of conduct; he has also been interviewed by The Spotlight, the conspiratorially anti-government and anti-Semitic journal, and was a featured guest at the Liberty Lobby's 40th anniversary celebration.

[phkrause]

It does make you wonder why a group would donate money to him?