If you post here please check in here.

[Stan]

Wondering how many of the regular posters in the Theology section are attending the Adventist Church and are supportive if the 28 as well of the GC and local conferences.

Please let us know your status.

All are welcome of course. This remains an adventist forum, and when people are looking, there should be a reasonable amount of members of the Church. If one is not supportive, then it would be reasonable to ask NOT to give responses to people who are asking about Adventist Teachings..

Is that reasonable?

Please check in all who post regularly here.

THANKS

[M. T. Cross]

I post in this section regularly.

I do not support the 28, the GC and local conferences as I am not an Adventist.

I try to make that as clear as possible partially so no browsers looking for the SDA message will take anything I say as being a part of the SDA message. If my posting in this section is problematic because of that I will refrain.

[phkrause]

Wondering how many of the regular posters in the Theology section are attending the Adventist Church and are supportive if the 28 as well of the GC and local conferences.

I'm a SDA and do attend a SDA church.

As far as the 28 are concerned there is nothing there that goes against my beliefs. The GC, I can take them or leave them. To political for me.

[Woody]

I am SDA. But it seems to me that if one is not an SDA then they should not be posting in the "What SDAs Believe" forum. This forum here is about the Bible and Theology etc. So, if a nonSDA wants to post - this forum is more appropriate than the "What SDAs Believe" forum - in my humble opinion.

[Kevin H]

Seventh-day Adventist, attend and speak in church, Only remember the 27 which I am with in the guidelines of, Except for hearing about a 28th, I know nothing about it. Not too exicted about the politics but support our leaders. However I have to admit I still lament the 1923 General Conference, and believe that we are getting a bit too close and cozy with the government which will be a hard web to get out of as we change from the 6th to 7th head.

[M. T. Cross]

I am SDA. But it seems to me that if one is not an SDA then they should not be posting in the "What SDAs Believe" forum. This forum here is about the Bible and Theology etc. So, if a nonSDA wants to post - this forum is more appropriate than the "What SDAs Believe" forum - in my humble opinion.

That was my understanding as well, which is why I mostly post in this section and never in the "What SDA's Believe" one..

Of course I may have misunderstood - it certainly would not be the first time

But I am willing to go with whichever way Stan wants it.

[SivartM]

I'm a Seventh-day Adventist member, and believe in a lot of the Fundamental Beliefs but have some big disagreements such as evolution and biblical literalism (as well as Ellen White literalism). As far as church organization goes, it's all fine other than being stuck in the 19th century in many ways.

I don't claim to represent Adventism, of course, so I'll usually stay out of 28-only areas.

[Woody]

Originally Posted By: Woody

I am SDA. But it seems to me that if one is not an SDA then they should not be posting in the "What SDAs Believe" forum. This forum here is about the Bible and Theology etc. So, if a nonSDA wants to post - this forum is more appropriate than the "What SDAs Believe" forum - in my humble opinion.

That was my understanding as well, which is why I mostly post in this section and never in the "What SDA's Believe" one..

Of course I may have misunderstood - it certainly would not be the first time

But I am willing to go with whichever way Stan wants it.

Shoot - I didn't mean YOU EmptyCross. We've adopted you as an honorary member. Please feel free to post. (Coming from one whom has no authority whatsoever.)

[Naomi]

Wondering how many of the regular posters in the Theology section are attending the Adventist Church and are supportive if the 28 as well of the GC and local conferences.

Please let us know your status.

All are welcome of course. This remains and adventist forum, and when people are looking, there should be a reasonable amount of members of the Church. If one is not supportive, then it would be reasonable to ask NOT to give responses to people who are asking about Adventist Teachings..

Is that reasonable?

Please check in all who post regularly here.

THANKS

Does not sound like an unreasonable request to me.

[Naomi]

Originally Posted By: Stan

Wondering how many of the regular posters in the Theology section are attending the Adventist Church and are supportive if the 28 as well of the GC and local conferences.

I'm a SDA and do attend a SDA church.

As far as the 28 are concerned there is nothing there that goes against my beliefs. The GC, I can take them or leave them. To political for me.

[Overaged]

Wondering how many of the regular posters in the Theology section are attending the Adventist Church and are supportive if the 28 as well of the GC and local conferences.

Please let us know your status.

All are welcome of course. This remains and adventist forum, and when people are looking, there should be a reasonable amount of members of the Church. If one is not supportive, then it would be reasonable to ask NOT to give responses to people who are asking about Adventist Teachings..

Is that reasonable?

Please check in all who post regularly here.

THANKS

Stan; may I ask if you are just referring to Theological Townhall, or other forums as well? And are you able to tell us what brought about this request of your's? have others asked you to do this, or is it your own idea?

To be honest; I think all should be able to post here...and it doesn't seem worth the effort it would take to enforce, should you decide to make it "Adventist only." posting rights. Some things just don't need to be changed, or fixed, specially if they are not broken.

[Overaged]

I would also add that the forum description for this forum reads:

Quote:

"Serious discussion here, sometimes not serious. Let others explore your ideas while you explore theirs.... "

and this seems to imply that no Adventist leanings are needed, just a desire to discuss theology. The What Adventists Believe forums seem much more appropriate for this kind of request, as you have outlined in the OP here.

[Woody]

Quote:

And are you able to tell us what brought about this request of your's? have others asked you to do this, or is it your own idea?

This is an old idea Overaged. It's been around for a long time. It's just that it has never been pushed by Stan before.

[Stan]

This came under my own steam...

Reason being, is this, when people come here, and Adventist Forum, not afflicted with the GC etc, and ask questions they should see adventisty answers. Not response from those who impersonate the Adventist Church or those offshoots, and semi-offshoots etc etc.

There is little problem with those who do not claim to be adventist and make that clear, like empty cross and a few others,

Much would be better posted on our sister forum, www.theologyreview.com

We need some more to check in...

[Neil D]

Checking in....on occasion I post in here.....not to say that I will on a regualar basis...but I do support the Adventist church....

[M. T. Cross]

I really hope some good solution can be found Stan. I enjoy this forum more than most the others and if you need to change it to SDA only then it would have to be across the board to be fair. I have grown to truly enjoy and admire some of the people that post here, and have my own beliefs and ideas challenged by others. To not post here would really leave a blank spot for me.

That said, I would also understand as even I wonder at some of the things I see self proclaiming SDA's say here. I know enough of the doctrine that I am sometimes in disbelief. Not that I always disagree, but to present it as Adventism is just not right.

[Lysimachus]

Let's see...how do I put his.

I'm a 4th generation Seventh-Day Adventist, and I would consider myself for the most part to be sufficiently qualified enough to answer for our 28 fundamental beliefs, albeit if it were up to me, I would prefer a couple of them be reworded more like the 1854-1889 statement of beliefs. Nonetheless, I stand solidly on the platform and foundations of our Adventist faith. I am supportive of Adventism as a movement, and admire a number of our General Conference professors and their work, but I am not one to get excited about the General Conference hierarchical system and its political procedures. I lean toward a promotion of good ol' Adventism as a Biblical ideology, and a settling of the truth into the minds of believers rather than putting so much emphasis on denominational borders and earthly church books. I think this would still qualify me enough to answer for the Adventist Church. After all, I'll be the first one to stand up and defend Seventh-Day Adventism. :)

[Dr. Rich]

Wondering how many of the regular posters in the Theology section are attending the Adventist Church and are supportive if the 28 as well of the GC and local conferences.

Please let us know your status.

All are welcome of course. This remains an adventist forum, and when people are looking, there should be a reasonable amount of members of the Church. If one is not supportive, then it would be reasonable to ask NOT to give responses to people who are asking about Adventist Teachings..

Is that reasonable?

Please check in all who post regularly here.

THANKS

It IS unreasonable. Next you will have people taking a test. And anyway, how can we trust anyone to answer correctly? Isn't "by their fruits you will know them" sufficient?

having said that, as I have posted before, I am a true follower of Jesus, as such I am a member of the Kingdom of Heaven (Adventists) on this earth TODAY, as they are represented in Matthew 25:1-13. As one of the 'few' (Rev. 3:4), I do NOT believe like the majority do and for good reason because I do/did not build my house on sand (words of others), but only on the true Rock being the words of Jesus.

I LOVE my 'church' and those who also attend. As such, I truely would love for them to seek the real truth and become one of the '5 virgins' because MANY have been deceived and have no clue to the real truth because their foundation was built on sandy soil (the words of others). But I am a realest too, meaning that when it was prophesied only a FEW would overcome, then sadly, that prophecy will come true.

[Lysimachus]

I think it is very reasonable Dr. Rich.

I have counted too many times when inquirers trying to learn of the Adventist faith get bamboozled, not by answers to their questions regarding the Adventist faith, but by critics and skeptics against Seventh-Day Adventism, Ellen White, Paul, the Investigative Judgment, etc. etc. This is very unfair to those who are already confused and looking for answers. And when off-shoot people come into these threads and butt in, they accomplish nothing but add a bitter flavor in the stomach to everyone involved.

This forum should be flooded by Adventists who are established in the fundamentals of our Adventist faith and heritage. Instead, skeptics and critics like to take advantage, and hijack it, and flood it to death. It's called the famous "monkey-wrench" syndrome, and those who are famous for throwing monkey-wrenches are off-shoots who are intelligent enough to see the errors of the evangelicals, but have gone off into extreme views that branch off our Adventist positions. Thus, they end up going off into their own little "private interpretive worlds", and lash out at not only the Evangelicals, but also the Adventists as well, and flaunt themselves around as though they are the only right ones who can understand how to properly interpret the Bible. It's very childish if you ask me.

The evangelical Christians then end up lumping us with these folks, which is sad. And they get totally turned off by the confusion among our ranks.

I say...it's time to shape up, or ship out.

[Dr. Rich]

Then ship out my friend. Get that log jam out of your eyes before attempting to get the speck out from others here. There are Adventists all over the world who believe totally differently than you or I do as I have visited them, being an Adventist all of my 67 years. There is a world of difference between an Adventist in England verses one here in Loma Linda California.

It is unreasonable to become a POLICEMAN here because that is just what Satan would LOVE.

[Lysimachus]

Then ship out my friend. Get that log jam out of your eyes before attempting to get the speck out from others here. There are Adventists all over the world who believe totally differently than you or I do as I have visited them, being an Adventist all of my 67 years. There is a world of difference between an Adventist in England verses one here in Loma Linda California.

It is unreasonable to become a POLICEMAN here because that is just what Satan would LOVE.

I'm not telling anyone specifically to shape up our ship out. I'm applying this to all of us. Everyone of us. Including myself. We all need to shape up. Wouldn't you agree?

[Overaged]

This came under my own steam...

Reason being, is this, when people come here, and Adventist Forum, not afflicted with the GC etc, and ask questions they should see adventisty answers. Not response from those who impersonate the Adventist Church or those offshoots, and semi-offshoots etc etc.

There is little problem with those who do not claim to be adventist and make that clear, like empty cross and a few others,

Much would be better posted on our sister forum, www.theologyreview.com

We need some more to check in...

I am having a hard time understanding why this kind of public test/declaration/inquisition process is suddenly so necessary. I don't think it's right to put people in that position. Some people live with very sensitive issues ongoing, and to make them declare their "status" in this kind of way is akin to making people wear the star of David to show everyone they are a Jew. I have seen much more prejudice and BA towards people here when it comes out what they really are, how they really believe, how they really live; as soon as it comes out that someone is not a certain way; they are suddenly treated differently, and it's not, in most cases, a very pleasant difference.

I mean who gets to determine if someone is "supportive" and what do we mean SPECIFICALLY when we say "supportive?" There are so many questions and potential problems with this kind of development, and asking people to do this, sorry I would love to support it, but I cannot in good conscience do so. There are many reasons why people would be afraid to say publicly exactly how they really think or feel about the Church, to force them to do so here, or anywhere on the forum is not right..

And I don't understand why this Theology Forum has to be run this way all of a sudden. As I posted above, why not leave this for "theology" just like the title says. It doesn't say "Adventist Theology" only. Why cannot the forum " What Adventists Believe be the one where we ensure somehow that dedicated Adventists only, provide the answers for questions that new-comers may ask?

I just don't get what the big "problem" is that has happened here from non-Adventists posting their take on official Adventist views. Do you actually have a way to tell how many people here have truly been adversely affected by non-Adventists posting here in this forum?

I don't know - I just don't get this one at all.

[jasd]

Am not Xtian. Am thinking it presumptuous of me to attach the name Messiah/Christ to myself – when it would shame rather than glorify Gd. I can proclaim Jesus Christ without the congruent 'Xtian'.

Am not a .Orgist either; that is, scattering instead of gathering – but rather endeavour to be Biblical – more worthy than the vanity of peculiarity. [/jhames]

[OzarkWoman]

I have counted too many times when inquirers trying to learn of the Adventist faith get bamboozled, not by answers to their questions regarding the Adventist faith, but by critics and skeptics against Seventh-Day Adventism, Ellen White, Paul, the Investigative Judgment, etc. etc. This is very unfair to those who are already confused and looking for answers. And when off-shoot people come into these threads and butt in, they accomplish nothing but add a bitter flavor in the stomach to everyone involved.

I have to agree about the critics of the SDA church. I, myself, came to the internet to get answers before I made the decision to actually join and get baptized into the SDA church. I was agast at all of the websites out there who truly seem to hate the SDA church. I did read many of them, but ultimitely I banked my feelings and answers on my pastor because he has never failed to give me answers that are always rooted from the Bible and he is able to prove everything to me with scripture in the Bible. Also, I have always had this ability to discern people and know if they are liars or flim-flam artists or whatever. My gut has never let me down before and I don't believe it has this time either.

I have not been baptized yet, as I am still going through the baptismal classes. I hope to be able to continue to come here and ask questions and to read the threads. I really can't say that I understand what is happening within this thread, but I am thinking it means that they want this forum to be for SDA people only. That would have shut me out way back when I did join.

[Lysimachus]

If you read Stan's post carefully, he makes it very clear that all are welcome to post. The only thing he is asking is that those of the SDA faith be the ones to answer for SDA doctrines to those inquiring. If I understand him correctly. There is danger of this going too far, of course, and shutting people out who may have good things to say. It's a fine line to walk no doubt.