Are women created in the image of God?

[Alchemy]

Are women created in the image of God?

Gen. 1: 26-28; " Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” (NKJV)

We can clearly see man is created in the image of God. But, did God created woman in His image?

[Tom Wetmore]

The verse includes both male and female as being created in His image... Rather plainly, in fact.

"So God created man[kind] in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them."

[M. T. Cross]

Whatever motivated his creation of them its a pretty good image.......

[Alchemy]

The verse includes both male and female as being created in His image... Rather plainly, in fact.

"So God created man[kind] in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them."

I disagree completely. Scripture says God created man in His own image, then says God created both male and female. I can't find any Scripture that says God created females, or women, in the image of God. This Bible verse above says God only created man in His image.

Your adding of "[kind]" in the verse Mr. Wetmore was quite distasteful. It should not be there as it changes the meaning of the Bible verse.

[SivartM]

Your adding of "[kind]" in the verse Mr. Wetmore was quite distasteful. It should not be there as it changes the meaning of the Bible verse.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H120&t=KJV

The word "man" is "adam" in Hebrew, which means not only the name but also "mankind". Tom didn't add mankind to the verse, every educated translator in history did. Because that's what it means.

Edit: That's not to say that the KJV translators weren't educated, but "man" and "mankind" are synonymous, so the meaning of the verse is understood.

[Tom Wetmore]

Read the interlinear translation of verse 27 here - http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/gen1.pdf

You will see that the traditional English translation really does add pronouns and punctuation to it implying the distinction you are relying on. The Hebrew is quite clear that God created humans, male and female, in His image.

And if you keep reading, God placed them both, male and female, in charge of all creation.

[Kevin H]

Originally Posted By: Tom Wetmore

The verse includes both male and female as being created in His image... Rather plainly, in fact.

"So God created man[kind] in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them."

I disagree completely. Scripture says God created man in His own image, then says God created both male and female. I can't find any Scripture that says God created females, or women, in the image of God. This Bible verse above says God only created man in His image.

Your adding of "[kind]" in the verse Mr. Wetmore was quite distasteful. It should not be there as it changes the meaning of the Bible verse.

Sorry Alchemy, but if you study it out, Tom is right. The text says that the image of God is humanity, male and female and according to linguists it is the oneness of men and women that is the image of God. Either alone is half of the image of God. One of the problems with the Pagan gods is that they were either male or female, gods and goddess, and often needing to pair them up while the Biblical God so transcends this that the Bible writers were too afraid that just using one sex it describe God would lead to idolatry, and according to linguists, while our translations tend to translate as far as possible God in either the male or neuter sense. But according to those to translate the text that in the actual languages when it talks about God the authors consistently have it 50% male sense and 50% female sense.

Although we believe in the priesthood of all believers, we need to use in our tool box the studies of linguists, the words, the poetic and other literary structures, archaeologists, historians, studies in the culture and geography theologians etc. Yes evaluate the evidence they give and thus agree or dissagree with their conclusions, but they present the information that we need to make a healthy decision. And in college and graduate school and studying the evidence is very strong for what Tom pointed out.

[Dr. Rich]

Originally Posted By: Tom Wetmore

The verse includes both male and female as being created in His image... Rather plainly, in fact.

"So God created man[kind] in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them."

I disagree completely. Scripture says God created man in His own image, then says God created both male and female. I can't find any Scripture that says God created females, or women, in the image of God. This Bible verse above says God only created man in His image.

Your adding of "[kind]" in the verse Mr. Wetmore was quite distasteful. It should not be there as it changes the meaning of the Bible verse.

You can disagree all you want but it does not change anything as the "Man" meant "Mankind"--BOTH male and female. Read the Septuagent for a clear understanding. Remember, Both Adam and Eve were created at the same time--only at a later time were they seperated.

[skyblue888]

We may behold the image of God, not only on Adam and Eve but on everything upon the earth:

The following statements give us a hint as to why:

"The only key to the mysteries that surround us is to acknowledge in them all the presence and power of God." Desire of Ages,606.

"To those who thus acquaint themselves with Christ, the earth will nevermore be a lonely and desolate place. It will be their Father's house filled with the presence of Him that once dwelt among men." Education,120.

The earth is filled with the presence of Christ who is the image of God.

"The divine Spirit that the world's Redeemer promised to send is the presence and power of God." Signs of the Times, Nov.23, 1891.

Here is the key statement:

"As the dwellers of Eden learned from nature's pages, as Moses discerned God's handwriting on the Arabian plains and mountains, and che child Jesus on the hillsides of Nazareth, so the children of today may learn of Him. The unseen is illustrated by the seen. On everything upon the earth, from the lofty tree of the forest to the lichen that clings to the rock, from the boundless ocean to the tiniest shell on the shore, they may behold the image and superscription of God." Education,100.

sky

[Guest]

Remember, Both Adam and Eve were created at the same time--only at a later time were they seperated.

Where is that in the Bible?

You can't just say something crazy like that, and then not offer anything at all to back it up!

Text please!!!

[phkrause]

Are women created in the image of God?

Gen. 1: 26-28; " Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” (NKJV)

We can clearly see man is created in the image of God. But, did God created woman in His image?

Here's the CJBs translation of those verse's: Gen. 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make humankind in our image, in the likeness of ourselves; and let them rule over the fish in the sea, the birds in the air, the animals, and over all the earth, and over every crawling creature that crawls on the earth." 27 So God created humankind in his own image; in the image of God he created him: male and female he created them. 28 God blessed them: God said to them, "Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea, the birds in the air and every living creature that crawls on the earth."

And to answer your question, yes women is created in the image of man.

[Alchemy]

I understand humankind is one of the possible translations for "man" in Genesis chapter one. But, just Adam himself is also one such possibility as well.

How do you get mankind out of Genesis 1:27? I still say Tom is wrong to include the [kind] to Scripture! I would also say anyone else adding that is wrong as well.

[Alchemy]

Read the interlinear translation of verse 27 here - http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/gen1.pdf

You will see that the traditional English translation really does add pronouns and punctuation to it implying the distinction you are relying on. The Hebrew is quite clear that God created humans, male and female, in His image.

And if you keep reading, God placed them both, male and female, in charge of all creation.

Again, I can't garner your position from Scripture. Adam was clearly in charge since it was his sin that mattered most.

Also, in 1 Cor. 11, Paul writes; "7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man is not from woman, but woman from man. 9 Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man. 10 For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord. 12 For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman; but all things are from God."

Woman gets her glory from man and woman is made for man. How is woman created in the image of God if she gets her glory from man? Now, in the Greek, this word for "man" is most notably used to describe a male!

So, I don't agree with your understanding of the Hebrew or Scripture in general on these points.

[miz3]

The verse includes both male and female as being created in His image... Rather plainly, in fact.

"So God created man[kind] in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them."

I agree that the word "kind" does not follow the word "man" in the text.

However the text and also the context of the passage makes it clear that God made women in His Image as well as males in His Image.

I know that the thrust of this thread is to show that women are less than males but this concept is definitely not Biblical and this has already been shown before on Club Adventist.

[Dr. Rich]

So much for the words of Paul again--as much as many here don't want to hear it, those words have caused many problems--here in the SDA church too as women have been deemed as second class because of those words.

[Alchemy]

So much for the words of Paul again--as much as many here don't want to hear it, those words have caused many problems--here in the SDA church too as women have been deemed as second class because of those words.

Well, I am not aware of anyone on Club Adventist trying to make women "second class", including me. But, I am trying to get to the bottom of what the Bible teaches.

Gen. 1:27; "So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them."

The Bible is very precise to ensure we understand He is talking about males only. The Hebrew word for "him" I put in bold letters predominantly means male or man in both humans and animals. The Bible also says God created both male and female, it only says man was created in the image of God.

I find it interesting the phrase, I understand it to be a phrase at this point, would read "he him, male" in the KJV translation. He him and male all mean male. I find it interesting also the "He" would be talking about God!

[Lysimachus]

So much for the words of Paul again--as much as many here don't want to hear it, those words have caused many problems--here in the SDA church too as women have been deemed as second class because of those words.

The words of Paul do not mean what you think they mean. Scriptures say only unstable people think Paul means something else.

[Dr. Rich]

Then please help my unstable mind and the millions of other christians who firmly believe that the man is the head of the woman.

[Kevin H]

Then please help my unstable mind and the millions of other christians who firmly believe that the man is the head of the woman.

It has been pointed out that there are two ways to interpet "Head" one is like a boss or a leader, the other is order of creation like a lake being the head of a river. And that while tradition has people thinking Paul means the one definition, of being a leader or boss etc. linguists have pointed out that Paul's context is the order of creation not that one was higher than another.

[skyblue888]

Not sure if this is pertinent to the discussion:

"God Himself gave Adam a companion. He provided 'an help meet for him,'--a helper corresponding to him--one who was fitted to be his companion, and who could be one with him in love and sympathy. Eve was created from a rib taken from the side of Adam, signifying that she was not to control him as the head, nor to be trampled under his feet as an inferior, but to stand by his side as an equal, to be loved and protected by him. A part of man, bone of his bone, and flesh of his flesh, she was his second self, showing the close union and the affectionate attachment that should exist in this relation." P.P.46.

This relation changed after the fall.

sky

[jasd]

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Sub-topic::

Umm, software problem? It may that it was accidentally deleted; however, I suspect (though perhaps wrongly) by the unusual circumventions of the censor's thinking that my post to this thread was deleted for purposes beyond understanding. Should that be the case,

censor, please have the courtesy to explain why. What, specifically (examp: is it proved wrong upon any point or lacked a civil tone...), was offending?—that I should glimpse the whirligigs of the sort of thinking – that causes such parochial(?) and strangely compelled action.

This is proffered courteously - without aggressiveness or belligerence - and I expect that the same social grace effect a like response.

[phkrause]

jasd, just repost and if it disappears again than you will know for sure. Usually if they delete posts, they state that. So give it another shot and see what happens!

[phkrause]

Not sure if this is pertinent to the discussion:

"God Himself gave Adam a companion. He provided 'an help meet for him,'--a helper corresponding to him--one who was fitted to be his companion, and who could be one with him in love and sympathy. Eve was created from a rib taken from the side of Adam, signifying that she was not to control him as the head, nor to be trampled under his feet as an inferior, but to stand by his side as an equal, to be loved and protected by him. A part of man, bone of his bone, and flesh of his flesh, she was his second self, showing the close union and the affectionate attachment that should exist in this relation." P.P.46.

This relation changed after the fall.

sky

I very much agree sky.

[Tom Wetmore]

Checking into it. I don't think anyone deleted your post. I remember seeing the one I think you are referring to. The forum was down yesterday and it does appear when it was restored some posts were lost. I also lost at least one post that I noticed.

[skyblue888]

Originally Posted By: skyblue888

Not sure if this is pertinent to the discussion:

"God Himself gave Adam a companion. He provided 'an help meet for him,'--a helper corresponding to him--one who was fitted to be his companion, and who could be one with him in love and sympathy. Eve was created from a rib taken from the side of Adam, signifying that she was not to control him as the head, nor to be trampled under his feet as an inferior, but to stand by his side as an equal, to be loved and protected by him. A part of man, bone of his bone, and flesh of his flesh, she was his second self, showing the close union and the affectionate attachment that should exist in this relation." P.P.46.

This relation changed after the fall.

sky

I very much agree sky.

Thanks pk.

Lets see if anyone will second that.

sky