jasd Posted April 1, 2012 Posted April 1, 2012 Quote: Quote: Quote:Dr. Rich Isn't there a prophecy in Daniel about ten toes mixed with clay and iron and they NEVER can overcome this peoblem? Hmmm, no wonder there will always be a problem with the mixing of the races as was prophesied. Quote:SivartM Hmmm, you're a racist. I would suggest reevaluating your morally repugnant opinion in the light of "neither Jew nor Greek", but you don't like Paul, so I'm at a loss here at how to explain to you that non-whites are non-scary. Maybe you'd be better off with like-minded people at Stormfront. Dan 2:43 ...they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, Tskity, tskity, tsk, tsk, tsk. Unless you are able to provide a better translation of Daniel 2:43 – the argument lies with the inability of ‘races’, whoever they be, to either “mingle ... with the seed of men”, or to “cleave one to the other”. The text seems to address races in a much larger sense than we are using the term here. Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Yet, there are ineluctable distinctions – except for the fact that ‘they’ are all one in Jesus Christ. To recognize the distinctions and faults one from another does not necessarily translate to racism per se, nor to ‘hatred’. The distinctions and faults are always ‘there’ to be accepted and where possible changed. Wasn’t it Jesus Christ Himself who said that He had not come but to: Matt 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matt 10:35 For I am come to set ... at variance... Of course He speaks spiritually; however, from our perspective spirituality arises as a Phoenix from our very nature. (Stormfront does not accept any but the White Aryan eschewing not only those they refer to as mud people, but also those who are not of a like mind as defined by a very broad table of classifications - quite the isolationists)
Moderators lazarus Posted April 1, 2012 Author Moderators Posted April 1, 2012 I have the greatest respect for Dr. King. However, what turns me off in these discussions is the focus on black/white relations alone as though these are the only races on this planet. The rest are marginalized. I understand your point but the flashpoint in the US has been between black and white. With other ethnic groups the struggle has been less about color than other things. Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Woody Posted April 1, 2012 Posted April 1, 2012 Yes I would agree Laz. It is always turned into a White vs Black thing even if it's a Black vs Hispanic thingy. May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators lazarus Posted April 1, 2012 Author Moderators Posted April 1, 2012 Yes I would agree Laz. It is always turned into a White vs Black thing even if it's a Black vs Hispanic thingy. Nope that's not what I meant. Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
SivartM Posted April 1, 2012 Posted April 1, 2012 To recognize the distinctions and faults one from another does not necessarily translate to racism per se, nor to ‘hatred’. To say that the distinctions between races are anything more than culture and a minuscule portion of DNA is nonfactual. To say that races should not mix is racism. The idea of racial purity is a social illness and has caused nothing but destruction, at least since we left the tribal world. It is racism, and it is evil, no matter what Bible text you can twist to support it. All humans share the same roots, and Isaiah writes that one day all nations will come together again. To want to separate people because of racist ideals can only bring hate. "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde�Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." - Jesus
jasd Posted April 1, 2012 Posted April 1, 2012 Quote: Quote:jasdTo recognize the distinctions and faults one from another does not necessarily translate to racism per se, nor to ‘hatred’. >>To say that the distinctions between races are anything more than culture and a minuscule portion of DNA is nonfactual.<< I did not say that; however, Writ does so explicitly re Noah, and less explicitly in Daniel 2:43. That said, Writ, in Genesis and in Daniel, speaks of ‘racism’ in terms more pregnant than how used by us. >>To say that races should not mix is racism.<< Clinically speaking it may be; however, there are many good and valid reasons why a person would not want to mix the races. My family, from immediate to extended – is mixed. We’re, almost the lot of us, mud people according to Stormfront Aryans. The Aryans forget that they originated in India. Their prejudices are somewhat akin to those of the Japanese – in that Japanese have an abiding dislike for Koreans – but recent DNA tests have shown that the Emperor and his family have their roots in Korean blood. Rotsa ruck, eh? >>The idea of racial purity is a social illness and has caused nothing but destruction, at least since we left the tribal world.<< Gd, in Holy Writ, espoused racial purity. WWGD? Don’t need the concept of racial purity to cause death and destruction. Liberalism does death and destruction by Magnitudes all by its lonesome. It, as presently bruited and fomented, is the most death-dealing and destructive force ever unleashed upon man. >>It is racism, and it is evil, no matter what Bible text you can twist to support it.<< No need to twist Writ – it is plain enough: “they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men:” Dan 2:43 Who are “they” who are singularly different from the seed of men that it bears note in prophecy? Parse the above text of Daniel 2:43 and advise me as to its meaning. Seems Daniel 2 speaks to races other than as we define them. >>All humans share the same roots,<< That would seem so today. >>and Isaiah writes that one day all nations will come together again.<< Of what nations did Isaiah speak? >>To want to separate people because of racist ideals can only bring hate.<< Hate thrives on its own worm. Where racist “ideals” (the sort that always shows up at incidents legitimizing itself by threat of further violence whilst begging constituents for ‘walking around money’) encounter malignant mores – it ought suffice as cause for separation - as it would be both wise and logical to do so to avoid a contagion of said mores. Not saying that this is the condition America finds herself in today; however, a tipping point can arrive upon the slightest provocation and, in the words of Sharpton – Escalate!—which ‘escalation’ may then lead to war between the races here. Not good – for anybody. So, I say, “Quite hyping every ‘incident’ lest it, or cumulatively ‘they’ – become the flash-point presaging the horsemen of an American Apocalypse.”
SivartM Posted April 1, 2012 Posted April 1, 2012 Clinically speaking it may be; however, there are many good and valid reasons why a person would not want to mix the races. "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde�Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." - Jesus
jasd Posted April 1, 2012 Posted April 1, 2012 Sounds like hyperventilation. Read carefully and clean it up. I'll get back to you.
SivartM Posted April 1, 2012 Posted April 1, 2012 Sounds like hyperventilation. Read carefully and clean it up. I'll get back to you. I'm not hyperventilating, I'm angry. Unless the first letter of every sentence spells out "JUST KIDDING" and it's actually a really, really bad joke, I don't need to read your posts any more to know that you believe in racial purity, and you are a racist. I will not humor your blatant racism, sorry. "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde�Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." - Jesus
jasd Posted April 1, 2012 Posted April 1, 2012 >>I don't need to read your posts any more to know that you believe in racial purity, and you are a racist.<< Sheesh, you owe it to your intellectual capability to read carefully. Not to do so leads to sloppy habits... Noah was righteous in his generations. Note the plural - generations. What's that saying to you? Get a lexicon and look it up. It means that Noah was pure in his bloodline. Sheesh. Gd destroyed every living thing that breathed upon the land 'cepting for Noah and his family - for racial purity! Read it. It's in the book. It was Gd who separated the races after the deluge - not jasd. Sheesh. If you'd read carefully - you'd see that you are simply chuffing. I am sufficiently aware of racism and can see and appreciate its better aspects, but I do not act upon them nor do I suggest anyone else act upon racial determinents. They is what they is. They don't disappear 'cause they don't warp and woof to your idea of a pattern. I speak out against its unattractive elements 'cause they's dangerous to the land I love above practically all else. Okay, get angry if you wants. Martin did and got hisself killed. Anger ought to be managed - otherwise, one finds that he can only chuff. Not complimentary to one's self. >>I will not humor your blatant racism, sorry.<< Suit yourself, but think about being more open to other points of view - you'll find that you are much the better man for it. Serious. Not "JUST KIDDING". Too salient a matter. I'll get back to your hurried-up post tomorrow. And oh, the greater part of me is Oriental and AmIndian - with the rest being Irish, English, and German. My immediate family, on my side, hails from Tennessee, Georgia, Mississippi, and Hawaii. My father was a very good-looking man and some what sez - that he had a bit of the Negroid in him. Read and ascertain, carefully. You owe it to yourself. And, above all, don't chuff.
SivartM Posted April 1, 2012 Posted April 1, 2012 Noah was righteous in his generations. Note the plural - generations. What's that saying to you? Get a lexicon and look it up. It means that Noah was pure in his bloodline. Sheesh. Gd destroyed every living thing that breathed upon the land 'cepting for Noah and his family - for racial purity! Read it. It's in the book. "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde�Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." - Jesus
jasd Posted April 2, 2012 Posted April 2, 2012 Oh wow!—SivartM, looks like you’ve shot this thread down. Wonder how? Hmmm... Quote: Quote: Quote:jasdClinically speaking it may be; however, there are many good and valid reasons why a person would not want to mix the races. Quote:SivartM What are they? What are these many good and valid reasons? You’re educated, I presume. Then, need you ask? Sheesh, it’s elementary and obvious in more ways than may be enumerated. Sheesh. Quote: Quote: Quote:jasd My family, from immediate to extended – is mixed. We’re, almost the lot of us, mud people according to Stormfront Aryans. Quote:SivartM So, what, your racism is an expression of self-loathing? And please stop validating white supremacists by calling them "Aryans", because they aren't. Well, mebbe, a bit short on the civil dialogue thingy... and mebbe, you oughta tell Stormfront and everybody who deals with them that they is no Aryan. So, you’re appealing to a modern-so-called definition – as opposed to the classical definition of the origin of Aryanism... What I stated re Aryan and India stands – despite the minuscular. Anciently, the Indus was populated by whites (as were the ancient Brahmins) – who subsequently emigrated. Persia and its language were its first beneficiaries – and thus the emigration began and advanced... Sheesh. Okay? Does relating that factoid make me Stormfront? Sheesh. Quote: Quote: Quote:jasd Gd, in Holy Writ, espoused racial purity. WWGD? Don’t need the concept of racial purity to cause death and destruction. Liberalism does death and destruction by Magnitudes all by its lonesome. It, as presently bruited and fomented, is the most death-dealing and destructive force ever unleashed upon man. Quote:SivartM Racism is fine, liberalism is the real problem? God is racist? No, no, no. You are deluded and/or a very successful troll, but either way your opinion is morally repugnant and deserves no respect. You may not know it, but racism connotes ideation other than as you may wish. You seem to have missed, though I tried to help..., that I and my family are mixed. Try to avoid narrowness of mind – you’ll miss too much. Anyway, ‘racism’ is nature (and not always identified negatively – except where PC intrudes) and liberalism is a philosophic construct, which taken to its penultimate – is communistic – slaughterer of men. Its ultimate is – death and destruction. Of course, we speak of ‘modern’ liberalism, yes?—as opposed to socio-economic liberalism, eh? Yeaahhh... So how did you get to ‘racism’ from the current dialogue regarding objective reality? You’ve taken the dialogue way too far towards your own subjective reality. Respect?—g’waannn, trash mouth conceptualizes respect? G’waannn...! [/kidding, of course] Never fear about my respect – got enough of my own to last, and absolutely don’t have a hungerin’ need to troll for yours or anybody’s. Okay? Quote: Quote: Quote:jasd Not good – for anybody. So, I say, “Quite hyping every ‘incident’ lest it, or cumulatively ‘they’ – become the flash-point presaging the horsemen of an American Apocalypse.” Quote:SivartM I'll quit "hyping" when you stop being an outspoken racist and polluting this forum with your hateful ideas. Sheesh, modern venues of education!—and they use our tax dollar$. Okay then, try to stay with an objective dialogue, rather than subjectivising it. Objectively: Many blacks are embracing Muslimism. Muslims shout it from the minarets that they’re coming to destroy the Great Satan, the infidel. That’s us – me, my wife, my kids, my family, my neighbours, my community... my country – and mebbe, yours. Terrorists acts occur on USA soil and begin to proliferate – whether false flags or Muslim acts of terrorism. Remember, Many, many blacks are embracing Muslimism. How long before there begins occurring more interracial clashes in our streets?—and who’ll be asking, “Muslim? Xtian?” Muslim would be the presumption. What would be the result? The eventual loss of countless lives and everything American. Soonest. Do we really need that sort of clash having its uncontested origins in wildly accusing contagion? Keep it objective. _________________________ Quote: SivartM"Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde “Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." - Jesus Hoo-ah! ...throw it on the Bar-B! [/just yanking your chain] ;-)
jasd Posted April 2, 2012 Posted April 2, 2012 Quote: Quote: Quote:jasdNoah was righteous in his generations. Note the plural - generations. What's that saying to you? Get a lexicon and look it up. It means that Noah was pure in his bloodline. Sheesh. Gd destroyed every living thing that breathed upon the land 'cepting for Noah and his family - for racial purity! Read it. It's in the book. Quote:SivartM Strong's dictionary translates it as "properly a revolution of time, that is, an age or generation; also a dwelling: - age, X evermore, generation, [n-]ever, posterity." God is not a racist, you are projecting. BDB Hebrew Lexicon and Living Strong’s Lexical Map (et al): 1. 3) generation (characterised by quality, condition, class of men) The surrounding passages support the fact that Noah had not contaminated the bloodline of Adam and Eve. Too many people forget that, per Genesis 6:11,12, corruption in the moral sense had already filled the earth with the first family. The corruption spoken of carries the sense of ‘wrong’ and ‘false’. Contamination of a bloodline through which the ‘Unblemished and Unspotted’ Son of Gd was to descend. Morally corrupt?—don’t think so. The only question obtaining would be: what caused the contamination – and could it have been such a thing as pigmentation? Tchah. Quote: Quote: Quote:jasd It was Gd who separated the races after the deluge - not jasd. Sheesh. Quote:SivartM Okay, let me make this clear: Races are cultural constructs. They have no biological reality. You are looking for the word "ethnicity", which describes the very, very small genetic differences between isolated groups of humans. No, SivaartM, am not looking for the word “ethnicity”. Am using the colloquial ‘race(s)’. Are you not following the threads devoted to this issue? The matter of ‘race’ has already come up, dictionary defined usage proffered, and been accepted for colloquial use. You want we should qualify every use of the word race, or rather, utilize ethnicities? Stay with the program. And, we speak of races – whether cultural constructs or – whatever/however else defines their composition. It’s colloquial, SivarM. You’re can’t use the term ‘racist’ re myself and then argue its proper biological use. It is absurdum logicum. You think we should be writing for dissertations here? Quote: Quote: Quote:jasd I am sufficiently aware of racism and can see and appreciate its better aspects, but I do not act upon them nor do I suggest anyone else act upon racial determinants. They is what they is. They don't disappear 'cause they don't warp and woof to your idea of a pattern. Quote:SivartM Racism has "better aspects"? No, there is nothing good about racism. Show me something that is actually good about racism. Well, per the terminology, it takes you off your game: Quote: Quote:SivartM“Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." – Jesus Quote: Quote: Quote:jasd Okay, get angry if you wants. Martin did and got hisself killed. Anger ought to be managed - otherwise, one finds that he can only chuff. Not complimentary to one's self. Quote:SivartM Racism is not complimentary to oneself. I think I'm allowed to get angry at someone who is basically justifying genocide. Stop being so patronizing. I think you missed the subject/antecedent, which is “chuff”. Okay, to punctuate, emphasize, hyperbolize, etc – are justified in dialogue. An obnoxious demeanor is not, but is très gauche. Quote: Quote: Quote:jasd Suit yourself, but think about being more open to other points of view - you'll find that you are much the better man for it. Quote:SivartM No, I am not open to your morally repugnant opinions about race. Why don't you try being open to not being a racist? Where in my quote did you get the suggestion to open your awareness to my points of view? READ c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y. Dare I say that it will make you a better man? Racist? Is that offered in the biologic or as a colloquial? Anyway, can one not speak to racism without first being one?—or if one speaks to the issue it marks him or her a racist? Tchah! Quote: Quote: Quote:jasd Oriental...Negroid Quote:SivartM Maybe get educated on modern terminology, while you're at it. Thank-you, no. I see the direction modern terminology takes you. I think I’ll pass, and as an old horse, the sometime use of classic language suits me, as in this instance. Blessed Sunday to you, and now, would you like to take it back to the pros and cons of the several facts of the matter re Martin and Zimmerman? I know that I make for a much more salacious study; but y’know, the thread, the thread... ;-)
SivartM Posted April 2, 2012 Posted April 2, 2012 You’re educated, I presume. Then, need you ask? Sheesh, it’s elementary and obvious in more ways than may be enumerated. Sheesh. "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde�Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." - Jesus
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted April 2, 2012 Administrators Posted April 2, 2012 Moderator Note: Somewhere back down the track this topic went off the rails. Just add race to the growing list of topics that people on this forum seem unable to discuss calmly and rationally without turning on each other and using inflammatory rhetoric. This topic is now locked for a cooling off period and to give some time to consider possible remedies. "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
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