doug yowell Posted April 28, 2012 Posted April 28, 2012 Originally Posted By: Woody depends upon the 'fresh eye' and how much faith the eye has. More interested in Biblical statements about praying to Jesus.. Your question, Stan, is slanted towards an either/or answer.If the question is does the Bible command us to pray only to the Father then the answer is no. If the question is is it wrong to pray to directly to Jesus the answer is no. If the question is is it permissible to pray to Jesus the answer is yes. As Stephen was being stoned he was "calling on God and saying,Lord Jesus,receive my spirit." Then he knelt down and and cried with a loud voice, Lord, do not charge them with this sin." Paul admits that he often would "thank Christ Jesus our Lord who has enabled me..." And Who was he talking to in II Cor. 12:8,9? Quote
max Posted April 28, 2012 Posted April 28, 2012 I have often wondered why people teach their children to pray to Jesus and not to Our Father. I end my prayers asking in Jesus name. Quote
Aliensanctuary Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 Prayer in this life, I believe, is just a dry run for the telepathic communication system designed for the next life. We won't need an opening or closing, then, just present our request for what we might need. The LORD will then provide us with what is needed, as stated in the Good Book. Quote The Parable of the Lamb and the Pigpen https://www.createspace.com/3401451
skyblue888 Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 "Righteousness is obedience to the law. The law demands righteousness. This the sinner owes to the law but he is incapable of rendering it. The only way he can attain to righteousness is through faith. By faith he can bring to God the merits of Christ." I could have quoted the whole paragraph. But I would like for you to surmise as to what happens when we daily bring to God the merits of Christ? sky Quote "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Moderators LynnDel Posted April 29, 2012 Moderators Posted April 29, 2012 ...I would like for you to surmise as to what happens when we daily bring to God the merits of Christ? sky When we pray to the Father in Jesus' name, are we not bringing to Him the merits of Christ? Quote LD
Stan Posted April 29, 2012 Author Posted April 29, 2012 Seeing a lot of Tradition more than I am seeing evidence.. Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
skyblue888 Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 Originally Posted By: skyblue888 ...I would like for you to surmise as to what happens when we daily bring to God the merits of Christ? sky When we pray to the Father in Jesus' name, are we not bringing to Him the merits of Christ? LynDell, of course there are many who pray to to the Father in the name of Christ, even the Catholics do, and yet they trust more in the merits of the Virgin Mary and of the so-called saints than in the all-sufficient merits of Christ in order to make their peace with God. My experience with our people has been that whenever the subject of the merits of Christ is presented, the questions that are most often asked are: What do you mean by "merits" of Christ? What are the merits of Christ? I know for a fact that they pray to the Father in the name of Christ and yet they seem to have absolutely no idea about the necessity of appropriating His merits to themsevles. Yet we read, "The only faith that will benefit us is that which embraces Him as a personal Saviour: which appropriates His merits to ourselves." D.A.347. "Many have a nominal faith in Christ, but they know nothing of that vital dependence upon Him which appropriates the merits of a crucified and risen Saviour." 1 S.M.389. One can pray to the Father in the name of Christ and still have a nominal faith. So then when we pray to the Father in the name of Christ it should be with the consciousness that His is the only meritorious name by which we can approach God and that all other merits are to be held in abomination. G.C.221. Unless we look to Him and accept His merits which it is our privilege to claim on a daily basis, we cannot be saved. See T.M.93. sky Quote "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Moderators LynnDel Posted April 29, 2012 Moderators Posted April 29, 2012 So if we "really mean it" when we pray in His name, and are not just rushing to the Amen, then we have His merits in mind--His living for us, His dying for us, His interceding for us. He is Salvation for us. We can't use "in the name of Jesus" as a kind of abracadra at the end of our prayers. (Sorry, Stan - I think the answer to your specific question, if you want it stated in the Bible explicitly, has not yet been found.) LD Quote LD
doug yowell Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 Seeing a lot of Tradition more than I am seeing evidence.. You haven't responded to my Biblical evidence post yet.No tradition, only historical statement. Quote
Overaged Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 Seeing a lot of Tradition more than I am seeing evidence.. Quote "People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)"I cannot know why suddenly the stormshould rage so fiercely round me in it's wrathBut this I know: God watches all my pathAnd I can trust""God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - OveragedFaith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ
Gustave Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 2664 There is no other way of Christian prayer than Christ. Whether our prayer is communal or personal, vocal or interior, it has access to the Father only if we pray "in the name" of Jesus. The sacred humanity of Jesus is therefore the way by which the Holy Spirit teaches us to pray to God our Father. Prayer to Jesus 2665 The prayer of the Church, nourished by the Word of God and the celebration of the liturgy, teaches us to pray to the Lord Jesus. Even though her prayer is addressed above all to the Father, it includes in all the liturgical traditions forms of prayer addressed to Christ. Certain psalms, given their use in the Prayer of the Church, and the New Testament place on our lips and engrave in our hearts prayer to Christ in the form of invocations: Son of God, Word of God, Lord, Savior, Lamb of God, King, Beloved Son, Son of the Virgin, Good Shepherd, our Life, our Light, our Hope, our Resurrection, Friend of mankind. . . . 2666 But the one name that contains everything is the one that the Son of God received in his incarnation: JESUS. The divine name may not be spoken by human lips, but by assuming our humanity The Word of God hands it over to us and we can invoke it: "Jesus," "YHWH saves."16 The name "Jesus" contains all: God and man and the whole economy of creation and salvation. To pray "Jesus" is to invoke him and to call him within us. His name is the only one that contains the presence it signifies. Jesus is the Risen One, and whoever invokes the name of Jesus is welcoming the Son of God who loved him and who gave himself up for him.17 Quote
Moderators LynnDel Posted April 29, 2012 Moderators Posted April 29, 2012 Gustave - what is the 2664, 2665, 2666? Quote LD
Gustave Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 Gustave - what is the 2664, 2665, 2666? They are the identification numbers for the section on prayer in the Catechism... ...Which addresses the question raised in the O.P. Quote
Overaged Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 Gustave - what is the 2664, 2665, 2666? Its the Catholic Church Catechism, their official statement of doctrine. Those numbers are at the beginning of each paragraph/section and help you to find what you are looking for quicker. Quote "People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)"I cannot know why suddenly the stormshould rage so fiercely round me in it's wrathBut this I know: God watches all my pathAnd I can trust""God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - OveragedFaith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ
Overaged Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 Gustave; am I understanding the CCC correctly to say we can only pray to Jesus? Quote "People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)"I cannot know why suddenly the stormshould rage so fiercely round me in it's wrathBut this I know: God watches all my pathAnd I can trust""God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - OveragedFaith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ
Gustave Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 Gustave; am I understanding the CCC correctly to say we can only pray to Jesus? No. As I understand it... ...There are prayers to the Holy Spirit. Quote
Overaged Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 No. As I understand it... ...There are prayers to the Holy Spirit. OK, thanks...it's sometimes hard to tell what the CCC means in spots - I find it good to ask RCs when that happens. Regarding the OP of this thread, I think there is ample evidence in the Bible for praying to any of the Trinity; for it is all GOD. "One God." Perhaps the OP has asked the wrong question? Quote "People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)"I cannot know why suddenly the stormshould rage so fiercely round me in it's wrathBut this I know: God watches all my pathAnd I can trust""God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - OveragedFaith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ
Gustave Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 Originally Posted By: Gustave No. As I understand it... ...There are prayers to the Holy Spirit. OK, thanks...it's sometimes hard to tell what the CCC means in spots - I find it good to ask RCs when that happens. Regarding the OP of this thread, I think there is ample evidence in the Bible for praying to any of the Trinity; for it is all GOD. "One God." Perhaps the OP has asked the wrong question? Yes, Unity in Trinity & Trinity in Unity... ...Each Member is equally 'God'. Quote
skyblue888 Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 Heaven is a ceaseless approach unto God through the merits of Jesus Christ. Quote "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Gustave Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 Heaven is a ceaseless approach unto God through the merits of Jesus Christ. Amen. Quote
Gustave Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 This is one reason it's impossible & heretical to suggest that Christ, at any time... ...Could have lost His deity by extraction from "God" had Christ sinned. Quote
Overaged Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 This is one reason it's impossible & heretical to suggest that Christ, at any time......Could have lost His deity by extraction from "God" had Christ sinned. To answer this question here would be changing the subject of the OP, but you raise an interesting point. Would you be interested in starting a separate topic on this? Quote "People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)"I cannot know why suddenly the stormshould rage so fiercely round me in it's wrathBut this I know: God watches all my pathAnd I can trust""God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - OveragedFaith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ
Gustave Posted May 1, 2012 Posted May 1, 2012 Originally Posted By: Gustave This is one reason it's impossible & heretical to suggest that Christ, at any time......Could have lost His deity by extraction from "God" had Christ sinned. To answer this question here would be changing the subject of the OP, but you raise an interesting point. Would you be interested in starting a separate topic on this? Be my guest I would be happy to discuss it. Quote
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