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I was reading the thread about Pipim and I was struck by this quote from a poster, "Unchaperoned encounters should not be an accepted practice."

I would like to know what everyone thinks of it. Myself, I see no problem with pastors being alone with female members. I was alone a lot with my pastor and so have many other women within the church. He always conducted himself as a complete gentleman. Yes, he hugged and held me when I was very emotional after my husband died and I would hate the thought that a pastor could not show their own emotions and be compassionate with female members.

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I think it is wise to always have an option for a client to be seen in the company of two persons when he/she feels uncomfortable in the presence of only one. This is especially true for students, patients and those seeking faith-based counseling. Likewise, if a teacher, doctor, pastor or counselor feels as if seeing a student, patient or church member might be threatening to their job security or personal rights, then they should always have another person there as witness to the interactions.

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I think it is wise to always have an option for a client to be seen in the company of two persons when he/she feels uncomfortable in the presence of only one. This is especially true for students, patients and those seeking faith-based counseling. Likewise, if a teacher, doctor, pastor or counselor feels as if seeing a student, patient or church member might be threatening to their job security or personal rights, then they should always have another person there as witness to the interactions.

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I think it is wise to always have an option for a client to be seen in the company of two persons when he/she feels uncomfortable in the presence of only one. This is especially true for students, patients and those seeking faith-based counseling. Likewise, if a teacher, doctor, pastor or counselor feels as if seeing a student, patient or church member might be threatening to their job security or personal rights, then they should always have another person there as witness to the interactions.

Those appear to be good measures for the secular world cricket.

The Church has a higher standard for opposite gender contact, but does not adhere.

Feelings of comfort/discomfort are unsafe guidelines.

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The Church has a higher standard for opposite gender contact..

really? what is the Church "standard"? (not trying to be sarcastic...I would genuinely like to know)

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If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony.

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Good answer for counseling. There may be times of confidense needed and it would not be appropriate for a second person....another reason for women as pastors!!!

peace

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Originally Posted By: Gordon1
The Church has a higher standard for opposite gender contact..

really? what is the Church "standard"? (not trying to be sarcastic...I would genuinely like to know)

Same as always, women on one side of church, men on the other!!!

angelnot

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Many of our offices have windows

Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.

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I know a pastor who has gotten in trouble in at least 3 places for unchaperoned counseling that led to inappropriate relationships. A doctor would be foolish to examine a female without another person in the room.
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Good answer for counseling. There may be times of confidense needed and it would not be appropriate for a second person....another reason for women as pastors!!!

peace

Even though I do agree with you! There are many female counselors, etc., and oh ya there are female pastors! The church we joined after moving here to Florida had a female pastor, who just gave it up. Her husband also a pastor was the chaplain at one of the hospitals in the area and he just retired.

phkrause

When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
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Same as always, women on one side of church, men on the other!!!

YOu may think your statement is shocking.

But that is the way the church raised me. Going to academy - that was the way it was. In fact - there was an invisible line that sent through the campus and right down the middle of church. You dare not cross it.

May we be one so that the world may be won.
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That is the memory behind the quote! Faculty hated it when non-Acadamy students attended functions!!

SOCIAL BOUND!!!!!

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I don't believe this just applies to pastors or doctors, but to everyone in public or professional life. Even when interviewing for employment in a male dominated industry I always had one of the guys with me. And, it was suggested that the men do the same if they were interviewing a potential employee.

I had a coworker who was accused of making sexual remarks to a lady who he was interviewing for a job. And, another case in which the gender was reversed.

If a person has something so private that they can't discuss it with another person in the room, then perhaps it shouldn't be discussed. Personally I have found men easier to talk to than another woman ... most of the time, that is. Of course I do believe that a person can discuss even the most difficult of situations without sharing every little dirty detail.

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Weren't Pipim and the young woman in his hotel room? I don't know how that could get more inappropriate.

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Same as always, women on one side of church, men on the other!!!

angelnot

lol... At the Adventist seminary in Austria, the ladies sat on the left side of the aisle in church, and their male counterparts sat on the right side. We could, however, sit together at the same table in the cafeteria.

Pam     coffeecomputer.GIF   

Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup.

If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony.

Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?

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That is the memory behind the quote! Faculty hated it when non-Acadamy students attended functions!!

SOCIAL BOUND!!!!!

Yes. The accusation of PDA was a terrible offense to overcome.

May we be one so that the world may be won.
Christian from the cradle to the grave
I believe in Hematology.
 

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lol... At the Adventist seminary in Austria, the ladies sat on the left side of the aisle in church, and their male counterparts sat on the right side. We could, however, sit together at the same table in the cafeteria.

They just didn't want you thinking but holy thoughts in church! :)

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I don't believe this just applies to pastors or doctors, but to everyone in public or professional life.

Agreed. And if we accepted this as the rule for all public and personal dealings, we would be on safer grounds.

(Who are those peculiar people??)

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If the wife is trained to be a witness to such events, or if she is ordained to help minister, that might be all right. Some spouses would only complicate things, IMO.

Posted

What needs to happen is that their co-workers ie their wife, needs to be with them
I agree.

"Please don't feed the drama queens.."

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I think that the wives of pastors should get some kind of stipend from the conference because they do a lot of work and their own ministries too.

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What needs to happen is that their co-workers ie their wife, needs to be with them.

Yes Stan, this would make a world of change in the church.

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Originally Posted By: Stan
What needs to happen is that their co-workers ie their wife, needs to be with them
I agree.

I will raise your agree to one more agree. thumbsup

phkrause

When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2

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