Robert Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 So, if one does not accept God justified him 2000 years ago, the justification God did for him becomes ineffective that's why "reciprocating" is required? If your answer is Yes, then your teaching is anti-gospel. No, you are teaching the heresy of universalism, which states all men will be saved.....Christ has done it all, do you believe? You have a choice! Reject it or not....If you reject Christ as your righteousness then you will have to stand before the law. Do you know what the law will say to you in the judgment? You must die....That means no heaven for you. Why? You didn't accept what Christ did for you..... Quote
Samie Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 Originally Posted By: Samie So, if one does not accept God justified him 2000 years ago, the justification God did for him becomes ineffective that's why "reciprocating" is required? If your answer is Yes, then your teaching is anti-gospel. No, you are teaching the heresy of universalism, which states all men will be saved.....Christ has done it all, do you believe? You have a choice! Reject it or not....If you reject Christ as your righteousness then you will have to stand before the law. Do you know what the law will say to you in the judgment? You must die....That means no heaven for you. Why? You didn't accept what Christ did for you..... Your first sentence shows you don't know what you are talking about. Universalism teaches that no matter what, heaven is the final destiny of all. If you had read my posts, then you know I don't teach the same. Sorry, but your subsequent statements do not merit my time. Just read my previous posts. Funny, you cannot answer the question on the issue you raised yourself. But I won't press the issue, brother. Since I don't beat a fallen foe, how much more a fallen brother? Quote
Robert Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 Sorry, but your subsequent statements do not merit my time. Quote
Woody Posted June 30, 2012 Author Posted June 30, 2012 Quote: The good news of the gospel is that all mankind has been saved and it is offered to all as a FREE gift. It’s a shame that so few believe it. Two comments here however - If all are saved - then why would it matter what they believed. Also - if it is offered - then the requirement is that it must be accepted in order to be received. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Â
cheddar Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 Two comments here however - If all are saved - then why would it matter what they believed. Also - if it is offered - then the requirement is that it must be accepted in order to be received. The good news of the gospel is that all men were saved by Jesus when he paid the penalty for sin on the cross. Jesus was referred to as the second Adam which means that just as all of humanity was in the first Adam when he sinned, so also all of humanity was in Christ when he lived a perfect life, paid the penalty for sin on the cross and was raised from the grave. What Christ did 2000 years ago does not become effectual until we first hear the good news of salvation and then believe the good news. Even people who have never heard the name of Jesus are still influenced by the Holy Spirit and depending on their acceptance or resistance of the Sprit’s influence will determine their eventual fate. Once the good news is accepted and believed our job from that point on is to continue to believe. All of Satan’s temptations are attacks on our faith. The gospel is a balancing act between what Christ did 2000 years ago for all men and what he does today in the life of each believer. Jesus did not ask if he could save me 2000 years ago he just did it but he does ask us today thru the Holy Spirit to accept that salvation thru faith. ‘Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.’ Rev. 3:20 Quote
Samie Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 Woody, All descendants of Adam and Eve were saved from sin, no one exempted nor left out, and on the cross were all transformed into the body of Christ and enabled to become overcomers. This is God's work FOR man: all grace, not a single iota of human participation. This is in the first dimension of the gospel. In the 2nd dimension, God continually justifies man by not imputing current sins committed since these had been long forgiven on the cross and man therefore has no burden of sin while he fights to overcome evil with good. God now works IN man through the Holy Spirit, and man needs to positively respond to His leading and live a life of an overcomer. An overcomer is one who when faced with the opportunity to commit sin refuses to commit the same sin again and do good instead. In the 3rd dimension, only overcomers will not be blotted out from the book of life and will be rewarded with eternal life when the Savior comes again. All others will be rewarded with the wrath of God and ultimately suffer in the lake of fire. The gospel can be easily understood when viewed in its 3 dimensions. Quote
Woody Posted June 30, 2012 Author Posted June 30, 2012 Quote: What Christ did 2000 years ago does not become effectual until we first hear the good news of salvation and then believe the good news. Yes. Requirement for salvation is that we believe. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Â
Samie Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 Quote: What Christ did 2000 years ago does not become effectual until we first hear the good news of salvation and then believe the good news. Yes. Requirement for salvation is that we believe. Salvation from sin does not depend on whether you believe in it or not. God through Christ saved ALL from sin. And that is EFFECTUAL whether Robert, Woody and Samie do not believe in it. Biblical Proof: 1. Christ came to save sinners. 1 Tim 1:15 2. All sinned, therefore all are sinners. Rom 3:23 Since all are sinners and Christ came to save sinners, therefore, He came to save all. This is why God is called the Savior of all men (1 Tim 4:10). Quote
Woody Posted June 30, 2012 Author Posted June 30, 2012 Yes, God has saved all men. But all men have not accepted it: Quote: "What Christ did 2000 years ago does not become effectual until we first hear the good news of salvation and then believe the good news." Samie 6-30-12 Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Â
Gibs Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 Re 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. Re 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Re 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Re 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Re 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. 1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. Quote A Freeman In Jesus Christ
Woody Posted June 30, 2012 Author Posted June 30, 2012 Gibs - it don't mean what you are thinkin' Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Â
Samie Posted July 1, 2012 Posted July 1, 2012 Yes, God has saved all men. But all men have not accepted it: Quote: "What Christ did 2000 years ago does not become effectual until we first hear the good news of salvation and then believe the good news." Samie 6-30-12 I am glad you believe God has saved all men from sin. And I, too believe, as you do, that not everybody accepted that fact. But whether they accepted it or not, it is effectual and remains a fact they had been saved from sin. I am not really sure what you mean by attaching my name in the quote. But if you meant that I made the statement you quoted, brother, I would suggest you review your source post again and prove to yourself I was not the one who originated that statement. Quote
Gibs Posted July 1, 2012 Posted July 1, 2012 Gibs - it don't mean what you are thinkin' Ah come on Woody, Jesus never said anything He didn't mean and Mean What He Said. Yes those sciptures are straight forth, no interpretation needed. 1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. Quote A Freeman In Jesus Christ
Woody Posted July 1, 2012 Author Posted July 1, 2012 So sorry Samie. My error. It was cheddar. But I was really trying hard to agree with you. It just didn't happen correctly. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Â
Woody Posted July 1, 2012 Author Posted July 1, 2012 Originally Posted By: Woody Gibs - it don't mean what you are thinkin' Ah come on Woody, Jesus never said anything He didn't mean and Mean What He Said. Yes those sciptures are straight forth, no interpretation needed. 1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. Well - I disagree with you. I believe that ALL scripture needs to be interpreted. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Â
Samie Posted July 1, 2012 Posted July 1, 2012 So sorry Samie. My error. It was cheddar. But I was really trying hard to agree with you. It just didn't happen correctly. Apologies accepted, brother. And am glad we agree on the truth as it is in Scriptures. Quote
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