WHERE was SATAN on October 22, 1844?

[Umfundize]

Sure, I believe that, but Ellen White did'nt! How and when was Satan "thrown down" to where? And then got right INTO the Holy Place on Oct 22, 1844?

[Gerr]

Sure, I believe that, but Ellen White did'nt! How and when was Satan "thrown down" to where? And then got right INTO the Holy Place on Oct 22, 1844?

ESV | ‎Re 12:10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God.

HOW does Satan do that? It seems to me, it's not EGW that doesn't believe that, it's you!

[Umfundize]

Gerry:

Do you believe that Satan, right now, is physically PRESENT in the Most Holy Place? I believe that is what you implied. I trust your answer will come from the Bible. Again: is Satan TODAY, physically PRESENT in the Most Holy Place?

[Gerr]

Gerry:

Do you believe that Satan, right now, is physically PRESENT in the Most Holy Place? I believe that is what you implied. I trust your answer will come from the Bible. Again: is Satan TODAY, physically PRESENT in the Most Holy Place?

ESV | ‎Re 12:10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God.

Again, I ask you, how do YOU understand that Satan is able to do that.

[Umfundize]

That is the problem with the WRONG,HERETICAL teaching of an Investigative Judgment, where SDA's believe SATAN is IN FACT sharing God's abode and points out to God why some "should be rejected". Then GOD the FATHER must DEFEND HIMSELF and do some explanation to please SATAN!. Which means SATAN is really the real JUDGE!. That is totally ABSURD and the main reason up to 30,000 members leave the denomination PER MONTH! Especially in oversees countries. See the statistics you can VERIFY in Adventist Alternative.

Satan is NOT in heaven! Just like anything YOU do today is BEFORE GOD.! God has an ALL-SEEING eye and nothing is hidden BEFORE HIM. He is OMNIPRESENT and you don't have to be IN HEAVEN to be seen by God! Can you accept that?

Can you see the fallacy of this horrible teaching? Jesus said it was "FINISHED" at the CROSS, and God right then BLOTTED out our sins. No waiting for 1844. EGW said NO SINS were ever forgiven BEFORE 1844. (not even when Jesus told some "your sins are forgiven"!) Please read Adventist Alternative for the BIBLICAL teaching of the judgment of God. Be nice to yourself!

[Gerr]

Blotted out MY sins at the Cross? Hmmmm, I'm not THAT old!

If all the sins of the world were blotted out at the Cross, then every person that was ever born since then are saved, right?

When a sinner repents, are all his sins forgiven AND blotted out at the same time?

Have you ever built a house? When the grading contractor is done with his part, what does he say?

And when the concrete contractor is done, what does he say?

And when the framing contractor is done with his part, what does he say?

And when the house is finally completed, what does the general contractor say?

If everything in the Plan of Salvation was finished when He said, "It is finished," why are we still here? Hebrews is about the heavenly sanctuary, what is Jesus doing there if everything was "finished" at the Cross?

[Gerr]

That is the problem with the WRONG,HERETICAL teaching of an Investigative Judgment,

Just because I don't the Theory of Relativity doesn't make it heresy.

NASB95 | ‎Dt 13:14 then you shall investigate and search out and inquire thoroughly. If it is true and the matter established that this abomination has been done among you,

NASB95 | ‎Dt 19:18 “The judges shall investigate thoroughly , and if the witness is a false witness and he has accused his brother falsely,

[skyblue888]

Satan is not literally in the most holy place accusing the brethren just as those who follow Jesus into the most holy place are not physically present there in person.

sky

[Gerr]

Satan is NOT in heaven! Just like anything YOU do today is BEFORE GOD.! God has an ALL-SEEING eye and nothing is hidden BEFORE HIM. He is OMNIPRESENT and you don't have to be IN HEAVEN to be seen by God! Can you accept that?

ESV | ‎Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. ‎7 The LORD said to Satan, “From where have you come?” Satan answered the LORD and said, “From going to and fro on

the earth, and from walking up and down on it.” ‎8 And the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?”

Do you believe that?

Let me ask you again, how is Satan ABLE to accuse God's people BEFORE, in the presence of, God day and night?

If you can believe what you said above, how can you not accept her statement that what she said might very well be symbolic?

[CoAspen]

Quote:

WHERE was SATAN on October 22, 1844?

The same place he is now.......and laughing about all the ridiculous posturing that goes on and on and on!

[Lysimachus]

Satan is not literally in the most holy place accusing the brethren just as those who follow Jesus into the most holy place are not physically present there in person.

sky

Tell it like it is. It's that simple.

Only I think you meant "Satan is not literally in the holy place", not "most holy place".

[12tribes]

Satan was kicked out of heaven long before 1844 so it would be impossible for him to be in the Most Holy Place

[Guest]

Satan is not literally in the most holy place accusing the brethren just as those who follow Jesus into the most holy place are not physically present there in person.

sky

That's right. Since the cross, Satan can no longer go to the meetings, like he did with Job, or stand outside the gates of heaven, talking to the angels, like he used to.

[Umfundize]

We now have a problem.

Some believe Satan is IN HEAVEN right now, playing the role of ACCUSER during the Investigative Judgment in the MOST HOLY PLACE where this Judgment is supposedly going on and "names are accepted and names are rejected".

Others seem to believe Jesus was correct when He said that He "SAW SATAN FALL FROM HEAVEN" Did Jesus say this BEFORE or AFTER 1844?

And you say?

[phkrause]

Satan is not literally in the most holy place accusing the brethren just as those who follow Jesus into the most holy place are not physically present there in person.

sky

[Umfundize]

So, brother Krause, you do NOT agree with Mrs White, who saw Satan in vision in the Holy Place after Jesus and the Father moved on to the Most Holy Place? EW p. 261, 53,54

And is he is TODAY the prosecuting attorney during the Investigative Judgment, where HE needs to be convinced about "names accepted and names rejected"?

Or was he kicked OUT? When? And WHERE is he NOW? Jesus "saw Satan fall from heaven". Was that before or after 1844? And you say?

[Gerr]

Rev 12:10 , "...for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God."

Again, I ask you, HOW is he doing that?

[Gerr]

Mr. S. then asserts that I stated that I saw "Satan by the throne that the Father had left." Here I will give my own words. "Satan appeared to be by the throne, trying to carry on the work of God." I will give another sentence from the same page. "Then I turned to look at the company who were still bowed before the throne." Now, this praying company was in this mortal state, on the earth, yet represented to me as bowed before the throne. I never had the idea that these individuals were actually in the New Jerusalem. Neither did I ever think that any mortal could suppose that I thought that Satan was actually in the New Jerusalem. This Mr. S. is disposed to put in the worst light, and then goes on to ridicule the idea of Satan being in the New Jerusalem. {RH, April 14, 1853 par. 2}

(appeared is italicized in the reference copied.)

[Umfundize]

This was not the first time EGW tried to explain away some of her errors. What she wrote on p 261 and pp 53,54 in Early Writings, is THERE. It cannot be erased! Whether she wrote it herself, or any of her 17 shadow-writers, it is on the record.

Is Satan omnipresent?

[Gerr]

Rev 12:10 , "...for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God."

So, where is Satan when he does this?

Doubters will find even a hook of straw to hang on to!

[olger]

I am more concerned with where STAN was last night. He may be up to something!

[Stan]

I know exactly where I was.

[Gerr]

ESV | ‎Ac 20:28 Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood. ‎29 I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; ‎30 and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them. ‎31 Therefore be alert,...

"We have far more to fear from within than from without." RH 3/22/1887

"...the shaking comes, by the introduction of false theories..." TM112

In the future, deception of every kind is to arise, and we want solid ground for our feet. We want solid pillars for the building. Not one pin is to be removed from that which the Lord has established. The enemy will bring in false theories, such as the doctrine that there is no sanctuary. This is one of the points on which there will be a departing from the faith. Where shall we find safety unless it be in the truths that the Lord has been giving for the last fifty years? {RH, May 25, 1905 par. 28}

The very last deception of Satan will be to make of none effect the testimony of the Spirit of God. "Where there is no vision, the people perish." Proverbs 29:18. Satan will work ingeniously, in different ways and through different agencies, to unsettle the confidence of God's remnant people in the true testimony. FLB 296

[Gerr]

Is Satan omnipresent?

Where is the judgment taking place?