Context?

[LifeHiscost]

Often suggested as being a reason the thoughts expressed by the Word presented are unworthy to be considered, unless attached to one or many others.

So I would propose then we might have reason to put this advice given by the Holy Spirit, to rest.

"He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’”" Matt 4:4 NKJV

underlined mine LHC

God blesses!

[Woody]

Context can TOTALLY change what the words alone say.

[Robert]

"Judas hung himself"

"Do thou likewise"

Context is everything!

[LifeHiscost]

"Judas hung himself"

"Do thou likewise"

Context is everything!

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, these shall he speak: and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come."John 16:13 ASV

Would it be suggested then that the Holy Spirit is incapable of differentiating between ludicrouse attempts at deceit, to insure the safety of those faithfully hearing and handling the Word and the wisdom of the Almighty?

"but we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by the manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God." 2 Corinthians 4:2 ASV

"Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:15 NKJV

God blesses!

[Woody]

Well I know the Holy Spirit is guiding me. But He is guiding me in the opposite interpretation of you and others - so what does that say? Is your Holy Spirit wrong - or is mine?

[LifeHiscost]

Well I know the Holy Spirit is guiding me. But He is guiding me in the opposite interpretation of you and others - so what does that say? Is your Holy Spirit wrong - or is mine?

For those who follow this advice, it will be made plain in plenty of time to receive the gift of eternal life.

"And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. "

Jeremiah 29:13 ASV

God blesses!

[Woody]

Thanks LHC. Yes - Praise the Lord - I am saved.

[Gibs]

There is but one Holy Spirit so watchem out. But don't wait until the coming of Christ to find out as His reward will be with Him. Yessir and the first resurrection. All must get it right in this time we are in, no second chance you must know.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world

[cheddar]

There is but one Holy Spirit so watchem out. But don't wait until the coming of Christ to find out as His reward will be with Him. Yessir and the first resurrection. All must get it right in this time we are in, no second chance you must know.

This is why I feel so bad for you, Gibs. You're filthy rags will not be acceptable in the judgment.

We only get one chance to build our faith in this life because messing it up will be a shipwreck.

[LifeHiscost]

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"This is why I feel so bad for you, Gibs. You're filthy rags will not be acceptable in the judgment."

I don't read all the posts that close, but I don't believe I read Gibs as saying it was his righteousness that saved him. If there would be anything discouraging about what he has been posting, to me it might be rectified merely by remembering the apostle Paul's summation of his own experience.

"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." Gal 2:20 KJV

God blesses!

[Gail]

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"This is why I feel so bad for you, Gibs. You're filthy rags will not be acceptable in the judgment."

I don't read all the posts that close, but I don't believe I read Gib as saying it was his righteousness that saved him. If there would be anything discouraging about what he has been posting, to me it might be rectified merely by remembering the apostle Paul's summation of his own experience.

"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." Gal 2:20 KJV

God blesses!

Now there's a praise scripture if I ever saw one! :)

[Woody]

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I don't read all the posts that close, but I don't believe I read Gibs as saying it was his righteousness that saved him.

Well one would have to get technical. But yes Gibs has been saying that technically speaking. He claims it's Christ's Righteousness IN him that saves him. I believe that JoeMo has been saying that it was the Righteousness of Christ at the CROSS that has saved each individual that wants to be saved.

Help me out here JoeMo.

But in mind mind - God's Righteousness that works in us to do good works is STILL as filthy rags towards our salvation. It will NEVER be enough to answer the curse of the law. The curse of the law was answered in the person and life and death of JESUS at the CROSS.

[Robert]

There is but one Holy Spirit so watchem out.

In other words we need to make you are example...no? After all you are the arbitrator of all truth....

[LifeHiscost]

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But in mind mind - God's Righteousness that works in us to do good works is STILL as filthy rags towards our salvation. It will NEVER be enough to answer the curse of the law. The curse of the law was answered in the person and life and death of JESUS at the CROSS.

And what would you have us do with this.

"...the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints. To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. Him we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus. "Colossians 1:26-28 NKJV

Give up this as filthy rags and you give up all hope of ever finding the perfection needed for entrance into the kingdom of Heaven, let alone this Word.

"...the kingdom of God is within you."

Luke 17:21 ASV

God blesses!

[JoeMo]

I'm uncomfortable discussing what Gibs said or didn't say in this forum. What I am comfortable saying is that I unequivicably proclaim that it is the righteousness of Christ's life and the perfect sacrifice He made at the CROSS that is the sole source of eternal life for every individual that wants to be saved. I'm not gonna quote all the scriptures that back this up (I would have to quote half of the NT); but if you want a few references, try John 3:16-17; John 6:28-29, Eph. 2:7-8; Gal. 3:1-6; Gal.5:2-4; Romans 8:31-39;Jude 1:24; Romans 5:10-11; 2Cor.5:17-19; Col 1:19-22. Anyone interested can find hundreds of other references.

[JoeMo]

SDA Fundamentals 10 (Experience of Salvation) and 11 (Growing in Christ) also speak of our salvation by grace. These Fundamentals have been a guiding light to SDAs for over 30 years; and are part of the foundation of our faith. If we are truly members of this church, we will accept them as part of our belief system.

Read what the Fundamentals say at http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.html. Don't believe what everyone tells you - believe the real deal.

[Woody]

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If we are truly members of this church

I can truly appreciate the Fundamentals JoeMo - But the one you are debating with (Gibs) is not an SDA so they probably don't mean a great deal to him.

[Gibs]

I'm uncomfortable discussing what Gibs said or didn't say in this forum. What I am comfortable saying is that I unequivicably proclaim that it is the righteousness of Christ's life and the perfect sacrifice He made at the CROSS that is the sole source of eternal life for every individual that wants to be saved. I'm not gonna quote all the scriptures that back this up (I would have to quote half of the NT); but if you want a few references, try John 3:16-17; John 6:28-29, Eph. 2:7-8; Gal. 3:1-6; Gal.5:2-4; Romans 8:31-39;Jude 1:24; Romans 5:10-11; 2Cor.5:17-19; Col 1:19-22. Anyone interested can find hundreds of other references.

You seem to forget JoeMo that is not the point I am contending with. I am contending none will be saved committing sin and that we are expected to overcome the same. That there is a part man must take hold of even though very small that it can be accomplished in us.

This is what He is trying to do for us. He is working with us to give us what it takes that we can do that. A heart and soul not emtied of sinning cannot inherit the kingdom. If he took such into it, the same old problem would begin to flourish again.

The continuing in sin sinner can not appropriate the above things you point out. I fully understand of those. I find what EGW says here is so very true in so many cases today,

"There is hope for every one of us, but only in one way—by fastening ourselves to Christ and exerting every energy to attain to the perfection of His character. This goody-goody religion that makes light of sin, and that is forever dwelling upon the love of God to the sinner, encourages sinners to believe that God will save them while they continue in sin and know it to be sin. This is the way that many are doing who profess to believe present truth. The truth is kept apart from their life, and that is the reason it has no more power to convict and convert the soul. There must be a straining of every nerve and spirit and muscle to leave the world, its customs, its practices, and its fashions." . . . {CTr 81.2}

Notice whose name is not blotted out of the book of life.

Re 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[LifeHiscost]

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A heart and soul not emtied of sinning cannot inherit the kingdom

Which is correct. And the old man of sin upon dieing doesn't keep the sinful heart. Which is doubly true when the living righteous are translated at Jesus' return.

According to some statements here, some believe that the new heart given was not empty when given to the new believer, but needed to be emptied.

So are we willing to accept these Words?

"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new."2 Corinthians 5:17 NKJV

"For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,

“This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”"Hebrews 10:14-17 NKJV

"If we [freely] admit that we have sinned and confess our sins, He is faithful and just (true to His own nature and promises) and will forgive our sins [dismiss our lawlessness] and [continuously] cleanse us from all unrighteousness [everything not in conformity to His will in purpose, thought, and action]."1 John 1:9 AMP

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God blesses!

[JoeMo]

Some people insist on tying our redemtion to sin and what they call "repentance". "Repentance" is defined in some cirles as "changing your mind" or "changing the way you think" or "turning around". I would propose that simply changing our mind from "planning to sin" to "avoiding and resisting sin" is a false and half-baked form of repentance. Whether we are planning to sin or avoiding sin, our focus is still on sin! If our heart is constantly focused on sin (whether committing it or avoiding it); our flesh is still focused where our heart is - on sin.

I further propose that full, true repentance is completely changing our focus from being on sin to being on our Savior. When one's mind and heart are totally caught up in the wonder and amazingness of God's grace and love; who has the time or energy to obsess over sin? When one is praising God in their hearts all day long, they are not going to be looking for a demon under every rock or watching for temptations to avoid.

The result is the same - overcoming sin in one's life. One way is by sheer will power and self-control (a hard row to hoe; with many failures along the way). The other way is by grace and power writing God's character on your heart - we tend to emulate our heros. Comparatively, this is pretty easy and satisfying with a lot of victory to encourage you.

[Gibs]

No our focus JoeMo is in walking with Him as we desire to do His Will completely. The fruit of that will be overcoming as He did. He sure does give us power to walk with Him and He extends His Mighty Hand and we have no excuse to fail. Sin we know is what He hates, He Loves us and has done all that could possibly be done that we with His help, merits, strength that we can accomplish it.

It is the true saving way of salvation that all should easily see if not led off by false teachers. Do not be beguiled! He has made a way for us to overcome as He did and that is the reason of His and our Father's great mission for us.

That is why He became a man, fallen, with our propensities to sin. He is our example of how it can be done with the Divine Nature within as He Had!

This all need to see and understand, we can be conquerors if we will but fall in with Him.

Not works! Not legalism! But it is His Saving way for all who will come!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[JoeMo]

Gibs,

I have no problem "in walking with Him as we desire to do His Will completely". I agree 100%. However, desiring to do His will completely and actually doing His will 100% of the time are two different things ...

I desire to have $10 Million and have the health and vitality I had when I was 30 (or 40 or 50) years old. But it ain't happening! Neither am I able to do God's will 100% of the time. That's why I continue to need a Savior.

Thank you, Jesus, for saving me and and dressing me in your robe of righteousness!

JoeMo

[Gibs]

Joe,

The more dedicated we are the closer we come and yes we can reach the goal, nothing is imposible with Him and He in us we are enabled, just keep pressing for the mark. He did it as one of us to prove it. We can have His Powwer!

I pray you be blessed with it, His Power.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[JoeMo]

Thank you, Gibs! You just blessed me and made my day! Bless you, too!

[Robert]

Joe,

The more dedicated we are the closer we come and yes we can reach the goal, nothing is imposible with Him and He in us we are enabled....

If you are enabled then you could say "I am Holy...I'm sinless", but you can't. Why? You have to submit...Ah, but there's a problem - Christ will never help you grow if you are depending on what He does in you for your ticket to heaven. Why? Because it denies the gospel and "in Him" you stand perfect now & the judgment.