Why I carry a gun

[lazarus]

[Naomi]

Interesting

[LifeHiscost]

I looked at one of the following excerpts and decided it was equally as valuable to bring a measure of peace at any given time. It was the one entitled, "Don't be nice"

God blesses!

[Guest]

I'm RLH, and I approve of this video. :)

[Naomi]

I looked at one of the following excerpts and decided it was equally as valuable to bring a measure of peace at any given time. It was the one entitled, "Don't be nice"

God blesses!

What bothers me most is that people are buying guns and learning how to use them; no issue there with me. But, I just wonder if they would pull the trigger if need be. To have a gun, to pull it and not use it has a strong potential of signing your own death certificate.

[Gordon1]

There is a strong interior motivation for self defense.

Although I couldn't support legislated gun control, as believers we need to cultivate a stronger faith.

Only this will set us on the road to eternity. Either God is Omniscient with legions of angels at His command, or He is a myth. Jesus didn't carry a side arm. Peter's swordmanship was rebuked and the ear re-attached.

I fear the insurance of a Glock lessens my dependence upon the Almighty. The time of trouble is soon upon us.

If we're engaged in the Lord's work, our own lives will not concern us.

If we're not working for the Lord, a gun will not make our lives right.

It's possible that many Americans need guns for self-defence.

The only exception may be those who follow Christ.

[Gail]

Gordon, I love what you just said here!

I'm apt to leave the guns to the soldiers and policemen

[Gordon1]

Recently I was offered a well-kept gun collection free.

Winchester 94, M1911 Colt .45, Ruger, S&W, etc.

Said no thank you with an explanation.

This is not our domain.

[lazarus]

It's possible that many Americans need guns for self-defence.

The only exception may be those who follow Christ.

I'm assuming you won't call the police if an armed assailant enters your house.

[Naomi]

Fair question

[Gordon1]

Except Naomi that it's not a question.

Instead it's an inflammatory assumption by a church member (or minister of the gospel) about what I would do without a Glock pistol to pump lead into another sinner like myself. It's more likely lazarus fears he won't see the same resurrection as his his namesake and so needs to justify carrying a lethal weapon to mete out pastoral justice.

But where does Christ teach this?

Break in for what? My EGW books? (door's often unlocked anyway..country living)

Now, if I had a firearm collection, that could be cause for an armed robbery.

LOL - the only ones who want me done-in are SDA, but they don't come to the country.

[Planey]

Maybe you've touched on the reason that we (as a people) were advised not to live in the city in the last days.

Last days? What last days?

Graeme

[lazarus]

So Gordon.....you would call the police? I don't know why my assumption is inflammatory. You may be inflamed but I'm not.

[lazarus]

It's more likely lazarus fears he won't see the same resurrection as his his namesake and so needs to justify carrying a lethal weapon to mete out pastoral justice.

Dude, you don't need to buy a weapon, your tongue can shoot real good!!! Inaccurate perhaps but if you keep firing at the slightest noise you might do some damage.

[Bravus]

You get that that's not Lazarus in that vid, right Gordon1?

[LifeHiscost]

If we're not working for the Lord, a gun will not make our lives right.

It's possible that many Americans need guns for self-defence.

The only exception may be those who follow Christ.

"But Jesus said to him, “Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels? How then could the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?”" Matthew 26:52-54 NKJV

It is my contention that if allowed to receive the power of love offered to the believers, following Jesus' example will give me safety through eternity. If following the devices of a world that is daily proving its' incapacity to protect or preserve, seems to be a better way, each will be given opportunity to prove their choice, for better or for worse.

God blesses!

[lazarus]

Exodus 22:2-3 2 "If the thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, there shall be no guilt for his bloodshed. 3 "If the sun has risen on him, there shall be guilt for his bloodshed.

Ezekiel 33 "... 6 'But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and a sword comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require from the watchman's hand.'

Psalm 82:4 Rescue the weak and needy; Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.

Psalm 144:1 Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:

Psalm 18:34 He teaches my hands to make war, So that my arms can bend a bow of bronze

[Naomi]

[Tom Wetmore]

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Jesus didn't carry a side arm. Peter's swordmanship was rebuked and the ear re-attached.

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It's possible that many Americans need guns for self-defence.

The only exception may be those who follow Christ.

It is worth noting that Jesus did not tell Peter to get rid of his sword. He told him to put it back in its place. One of the gospels noted that Peter was not the only one of the disciples carrying a sword when Jesus was arrested. This was after 3 years of being with Jesus. Don't you think Jesus was very much aware that they were carrying swords? Yet he had not told them to get rid of their weapons.

Do you feel that followers of Christ should not own or carry any guns?

[Gordon1]

Maybe you've touched on the reason that we (as a people) were advised not to live in the city in the last days.

Last days? What last days?

Well yes Graeme, I don't think we (as a people) were ever advised to live in the cities.

The primary reason is not physical protection, but separation from worldly, immoral influences, and drawing closer to the elements of God's creation. For ouselves and esp. for offspring.

Most SDAs I know eschew this advice.

We might think we are wise enough to avoid temptation, but Adam and Eve fell while possessing much purer wisdom.

[CoAspen]

>but Adam and Eve fell while possessing much purer wisdom.<

While living by them selves in a garden!!!

Imagine that!!

[lazarus]

You get that that's not Lazarus in that vid, right Gordon1?

[Gordon1]

You get that that's not Lazarus in that vid, right Gordon1?

No, didn't assume it was, but you're right, the possibility exists.

Along with his earlier comment about a Glock, as an opening post it's fairly evident he supports that video.

If not, he could say so.

What's troubling is the shift toward worldliness, instead of toward greater faith and godliness.

Women actng like men, pastors talking like soldiers, churches shilling like banksters.

At the end of time, we should be leaving that all behind.

Do we now bring pistols into the pulpit?

[lazarus]

pastors talking like soldiers,

Quite a complement, thank you.

Ephesians 6: 13. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15. And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16. Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

I have a pastor friend who has just left for basic training. He's going to learn how to defend himself as an army chaplain. He'll have his Bible on one side and his other weapon on the other.

[lazarus]

http://pastordodd.com/2012/08/20/im-a-pastor-and-i-carry-a-gun/

On any given Sunday, many pastoral leaders around the country begin there day in similar fashion. Eat a hardy breakfast… check. Spend alone time in prayer… check. Grab their Bible… check. And load one high-velocity round into their semi-automatic handgun…. check.